English Irish Republican? The F**k?

[Doug]

The south couldn't afford to unite with Northern Ireland. We are cutting billions from our budget trying to cover the upkeep of public services, imagine if the North's Policing bill was added to that. It's long been understood that if The North could've been handed back it would've been, but it's just not feasable. The southern government has proved itself largely inept, and would be uncapable of any emalgamation.

Those from the wouth might be interested in a facebook page called....Bring doen the Irish government and replace it with a badger called Steven.

This. Our government are inept, and can't handle the country they control as it is. Want to give them more land to screw up?

Wait...more inept than 'Nu Labour'? If so, dear god, how did they not sink the island inself into the sea?

 

[Therumancer]

Am I the only Englishman that believes Ireland should be its own, united country, free of English rule?

[small] I know I'm not but I wana see how many agree [/small]

We English have fucked that country in the ass since the Protestant plantations of Tudor times, nigh on 600 years ago. Now I'm only a "simple lad", but that seems wrong to me.

I'm aware of the divisions that we have created within that island, and I am very sorry for the deaths that have occurred as a result, from Cromwell's massacres to Bloody Sunday (although it is not my fault, or the fault of any Englishman alive)

All I'm saying is, in an ideal world, we should go our separate ways. But whatever, this is just a semi-drunken, thinking aloud, kinda thing.

Feel free to rip into me, I know very little about this subject, its just as an Englishman with Irish ancestry, I feel kinda conflicted.

I suppose for discussion, you could argue about the current state of Ireland, and the pro's and cons of such a situation. Or something.

I have my own, rather consistant view of what I think is good for humanity in the long term. As someone who believes in a single global uber-goverment and a united humanity, I am not a big fan of creating more independant states of any sort. Simply put the more of them that come into being, the harder things get in the long term.

Let's say Ireland becomes independant, and then things go the way I'm hoping. In a couple of generations Ireland resists being merged into a global culture/goverment. I mean after all despite the passage of time they were 'just' made independant. It creates a big mess, and I'd rather not support an independant state that ultimatly has to be wiped out our conquered.

In general due to cultural similarities, mutal spread of ideas, etc... I see Britan/The UK as likely being one of the driving forces in getting all of this going. I'd rather see Ireland brought into the fold with them, and be a relatively minor issue, than see what amounts to a fiercely independant Ireland with it's own military needing to be conquered again, and probably by the same people.

Not everyone agrees with my overall "endgame", but most of what I think comes down to that thought process. I do not see Irish independance as being in the greater good for humanity as a whole.

I have similar opinions when it comes to China and Tibet. I'd rather deal with Tibet as part of China (whether it comes to war or otherwise) as opposed to freeing Tibet and then later having to absorb it seperatly.

 

[Lonan]

I'm Irish, and I don't even want that!
Mainly because it's not really feasable. Make people who live in the north give up their homes, or their culture?

Thing is, Ireland is completely free from Brittish rule. The land we use is just a little smaller. I really don't see the big deal anymore...

Ya, what you say is true, I think this guy is just drunk.

Yes, yes I am a bit drunk (less so than I was when I created this thread however), but please have the manners to address me in person, not just "this guy".

I'm not asking if it's feasible, I just wanna know whether you would support such a concept (I'm guessing you would not) I am also aware that the current arrangement the best we can get, but that does not mean it is perfect.

Sorry, I should have been politer. I would not have anything against such an idea except that it would probably create conflict.

 

[Rolling Thunder]

snip

Man, I love you!

That's exactly what I believe! Ireland must be united if we are ever to come into our own as a nation, by political means or otherwise. I have no problem with the Protestant Ulster Scots peoples, and they have as much right to the land as the Irish, but the British state claiming that it has supremacy over land it has no claim to is insulting to the highest degree.

And if it comes to the 'otherwise' stage, I'm more than happy to give my life and take lives for it to happen.

I doubt it will though.

I cast summon Oliver Cromwell, my good sir.

*Casts 'Summon Cromwell'*

 

[thiosk]

I think Ireland should shrug off English rule once and for all, and do what I know the Irish, deep inside, want to really do:

Become the 51st State of the United States of the New American Empire

 

[Susano]

The south couldn't afford to unite with Northern Ireland. We are cutting billions from our budget trying to cover the upkeep of public services, imagine if the North's Policing bill was added to that. It's long been understood that if The North could've been handed back it would've been, but it's just not feasable. The southern government has proved itself largely inept, and would be uncapable of any emalgamation.

Those from the wouth might be interested in a facebook page called....Bring doen the Irish government and replace it with a badger called Steven.

This. Our government are inept, and can't handle the country they control as it is. Want to give them more land to screw up?

Wait...more inept than 'Nu Labour'? If so, dear god, how did they not sink the island inself into the sea?

I have no idea of what the British government are like, but I do know that it doesn't make a difference whether our government is more or less than them, they are still inept. And as such, they should not be given more land when they can't handle what they have anyway.

 

[The Fork of Truth]

I'm pretty thoroughly English, and I support Irish Republicanism. To have one country to split into two doesn't make any sense. All peaceful, democratic efforts to restore Ireland to a single country must be made as soon as possible. In truth, I wouldn't mind Scotland and Wales to be independent too, if they want to be, but that's a discussion for another time.

 

[Ninjamedic]

I cast summon Oliver Cromwell, my good sir.

*Casts 'Summon Cromwell'*

Cast "Eventual successful independence war"

It's super effective!

He brings out craigavon! He casts "extreme obnoxious ignorance"!

 

[hippykiller]

I'm Irish, and I don't even want that!
Mainly because it's not really feasable. Make people who live in the north give up their homes, or their culture?

Thing is, Ireland is completely free from Brittish rule. The land we use is just a little smaller. I really don't see the big deal anymore...

This is what I'm talking about. It sounds all very noble to relinquish official rule over Ireland... but do the people of Ireland really care? I'm sure some of them do...

do i care? hmmmmm. let me think about that for just a tad bit....... yes. yes i fucking care. i care.

 

[Bat Vader]

I think every country should be able to have its own independence.

 

[ad5x5]

I got halfway down the first page and started seeing repeated posts so lost interest in reading the rest. (I also have had a couple of drinks)

But does it not all seem a bit petty and pointless now?

Seen as how both GB and Eire are now both part of the EUSSR, neither of our governments are really in control of our countries.

Perhaps we should unite against this new tyranny?

 

[Azure-Supernova]

I'm Irish, and I don't even want that!
Mainly because it's not really feasable. Make people who live in the north give up their homes, or their culture?

Thing is, Ireland is completely free from Brittish rule. The land we use is just a little smaller. I really don't see the big deal anymore...

This is what I'm talking about. It sounds all very noble to relinquish official rule over Ireland... but do the people of Ireland really care? I'm sure some of them do...

do i care? hmmmmm. let me think about that for just a tad bit....... yes. yes i fucking care. i care.

No need to be so temperamental about it. So what if you care, you're one amongst many. I'm not saying you're wrong and I'm not saying I'm right, I'm simply saying that I'm sure there are some who do care and others who don't.

 

[hippykiller]

I'm Irish, and I don't even want that!
Mainly because it's not really feasable. Make people who live in the north give up their homes, or their culture?

Thing is, Ireland is completely free from Brittish rule. The land we use is just a little smaller. I really don't see the big deal anymore...

This is what I'm talking about. It sounds all very noble to relinquish official rule over Ireland... but do the people of Ireland really care? I'm sure some of them do...

do i care? hmmmmm. let me think about that for just a tad bit....... yes. yes i fucking care. i care.

No need to be so temperamental about it. So what if you care, you're one amongst many. I'm not saying you're wrong and I'm not saying I'm right, I'm simply saying that I'm sure there are some who do care and others who don't.

oh so sorry for being "temperamental" about it. its just that after 800 years of theft, rape, and murder i thought the rest of the world might give 2 shits. oh and yeah to answer your inquiry. yeah most REAL irish people care about their land and the wrong doings that has happened to it.

 

[Del-Toro]

Yeah, why not, the English have been surrendering more and more of the Empire they spent centuries building for a good while now. All Canada had to do was ask.

 

[Azure-Supernova]

oh so sorry for being "temperamental" about it. its just that after 800 years of theft, rape, and murder i thought the rest of the world might give 2 shits. oh and yeah to answer your inquiry. yeah most REAL irish people care about their land and the wrong doings that has happened to it.

Well let me just put this out here okay? So if you take offence to this, I'm sorry but it's what I'm thinking. We live in an entirely different world today. There are bigger issues than relinquishing Ireland from British rule, well I say 'British rule' in a way so light it's bearly touched upon.