Entire Tamriel Landmass built into Skyrim

[Grouchy Imp_v1legacy]

Hammerfell is pretty much the same size as Skyrim:

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It's just that the scale is all over the place. If we are to believe Daggerfall, that Iliac Bay area between Hammerfell and High rock should be about half a million square kilometers. And in Oblivion for example, the whole Cyrodiil is (if I remember correctly) about 25 square kilometers. (I don't know how big Skyrim is.) And based on Arena, the whole Tamriel should be 6 million km[sup]2[/sup].
So Arena and Daggerfall fit together just fine. The rest, not so much.

I know, it's not really important. It's just that these kind of details tend to bother me a lot more than they should.

Anyway, I can't really think of what they'd do with that. I mean, all of the areas around Skyrim have been covered in previous TES games (though only a part of High rock and Hammerfell, if you don't count Arena). Who knows. I'm sure there's going to be mods though.

The scales used for the different games were quite different, that's true. Arena and Daggerfall are comparable with one another, as are Morrowind (25 sq km) and Oblivion (40 sq km), but as these four games were made using two different scales they do not compare between these two groups.

I reckon (and this is pure speculation) that we're gonna see more of the Aldmeri Dominion in future DLCs. One of the more interesting books I've read in Skyrim covered the history of the Empire vs Thalmor war since the beginning of the Fourth Era, and I was surprised how much the political geography of Tamriel has changed. The 'Empire' now consists only of High Rock, Skyrim and Cyrodiil. Hammerfel and Black Marsh are independent nations, and Morrowind has simply collapsed after the Red Mountain crisis and is unable to function as either a member state or independently. Valenwood and Elswyr (which is now the twin principalities of Anequina and Pelletine) both belong to the Aldmeri Dominion.

I'd be interested to see not only how this conflict works out, but also to see a Thalmor run district operates. Valenwood, for example, was subjugated. Elswyr, on the other hand, willingly ceded to the Dominion. I'd like to see these Thalmor principalities in future DLCs.

Perhaps the next DLC is a sort of liberation of Elsweyr? From my point of view many people are willing to go there, the only other option I keep seeing is Hammerfell. If the Aldmeri Dominion truly does have a hold on Eslweyr, then perhaps thats where we go next.

I was actually hoping before the release of Skyrim that TESV would be set in Elswyr, so I'd be more than happy to see it in the DLC. You've gotta wonder though, as the Khajiit view the Thalmor as their personal saviours, wouldn't it be a subjugation of Elswyr? I mean if the Khajiit want to be ruled by the Aldmeri Dominion then they wouldn't see the arrival of Imperial Legions as a good thing...

 

[Terminate421]

I was actually hoping before the release of Skyrim that TESV would be set in Elswyr, so I'd be more than happy to see it in the DLC. You've gotta wonder though, as the Khajiit view the Thalmor as their personal saviours, wouldn't it be a subjugation of Elswyr? I mean if the Khajiit want to be ruled by the Aldmeri Dominion then they wouldn't see the arrival of Imperial Legions as a good thing...

Well, it may sound like bad writing what I am about to say (I hope it isn't)....

But what if you come across a Kahjiit trader with a downed cart (much like Cicero) and when you fix it for him. He explains that he comes from Elsweyr, unfortunatly the Thalmor have requested an Assload of supplies due to your activities with the Thalamor and the dragons and have currently turned the country into a police state. You state you are the dragonborn and say you are willing to help. He puts you into a box and smuggles you in. Imagine the Pitt from Fallout 3 if it was alot larger, and given a sense of actually caring for the people.

 

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They're only height maps, they don't take a whole lot of effort to make.
Oblivion had the other provinces to actually

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[Grouchy Imp_v1legacy]

Perhaps the next DLC is a sort of liberation of Elsweyr? From my point of view many people are willing to go there, the only other option I keep seeing is Hammerfell. If the Aldmeri Dominion truly does have a hold on Eslweyr, then perhaps thats where we go next.

I was actually hoping before the release of Skyrim that TESV would be set in Elswyr, so I'd be more than happy to see it in the DLC. You've gotta wonder though, as the Khajiit view the Thalmor as their personal saviours, wouldn't it be a subjugation of Elswyr? I mean if the Khajiit want to be ruled by the Aldmeri Dominion then they wouldn't see the arrival of Imperial Legions as a good thing...

Well, it may sound like bad writing what I am about to say (I hope it isn't)....

But what if you come across a Kahjiit trader with a downed cart (much like Cicero) and when you fix it for him. He explains that he comes from Elsweyr, unfortunatly the Thalmor have requested an Assload of supplies due to your activities with the Thalamor and the dragons and have currently turned the country into a police state. You state you are the dragonborn and say you are willing to help. He puts you into a box and smuggles you in. Imagine the Pitt from Fallout 3 if it was alot larger, and given a sense of actually caring for the people.

That sounds like it could work really well. You know the Thalmor brought the Khajiit onto their side when they brought back Masser and Secunda after they disappeared from the sky; I'd quite like the Dragonborn to uncover evidence that the Thalmor were responsible for their disappearance in the first place to trick the Khajiit into joining them. The Khajiit could then revolt, help overthrow their deceivers and then have a legitimate reason for so quickly rejoining the Empire.

 

[Terminate421]

Perhaps the next DLC is a sort of liberation of Elsweyr? From my point of view many people are willing to go there, the only other option I keep seeing is Hammerfell. If the Aldmeri Dominion truly does have a hold on Eslweyr, then perhaps thats where we go next.

I was actually hoping before the release of Skyrim that TESV would be set in Elswyr, so I'd be more than happy to see it in the DLC. You've gotta wonder though, as the Khajiit view the Thalmor as their personal saviours, wouldn't it be a subjugation of Elswyr? I mean if the Khajiit want to be ruled by the Aldmeri Dominion then they wouldn't see the arrival of Imperial Legions as a good thing...

Well, it may sound like bad writing what I am about to say (I hope it isn't)....

But what if you come across a Kahjiit trader with a downed cart (much like Cicero) and when you fix it for him. He explains that he comes from Elsweyr, unfortunatly the Thalmor have requested an Assload of supplies due to your activities with the Thalamor and the dragons and have currently turned the country into a police state. You state you are the dragonborn and say you are willing to help. He puts you into a box and smuggles you in. Imagine the Pitt from Fallout 3 if it was alot larger, and given a sense of actually caring for the people.

That sounds like it could work really well. You know the Thalmor brought the Khajiit onto their side when they brought back Masser and Secunda after they disappeared from the sky; I'd quite like the Dragonborn to uncover evidence that the Thalmor were responsible for their disappearance in the first place to trick the Khajiit into joining them. The Khajiit could then revolt, help overthrow their deceivers and then have a legitimate reason for so quickly rejoining the Empire.

Perhaps there is a way to extend this.

Different ways for a final battle with the Thalmor in the region. Perhaps unleash a pair of dragons that were buried nearby? (Make these dragons much like Alduin and Paarthurnax, famous, not worthy of destroying the world but make them significant dragons.)

Of course there is also how we care about the final result. In The Pitt I sided with the Slavers because they:
A. Were already defending the slaves on their way to finding a cure
B. On their way to finding a cure for the rampant disease

Most of us have a reason for Hating the Thalmor, for this DLC to truly work, we need options to:
A. Liberate Eslweyr as an Independent nation
B. Ally it for an Empire province
C. Keep it that way as for the Aldmeri Dominion province

NO TAKING AWAY EQUIPMENT AT THE BEGINING, I know on some cases it works to do this but provide equipment that is on the same level as those that is available with a will to use it.

 

[Grouchy Imp_v1legacy]

Perhaps the next DLC is a sort of liberation of Elsweyr? From my point of view many people are willing to go there, the only other option I keep seeing is Hammerfell. If the Aldmeri Dominion truly does have a hold on Eslweyr, then perhaps thats where we go next.

I was actually hoping before the release of Skyrim that TESV would be set in Elswyr, so I'd be more than happy to see it in the DLC. You've gotta wonder though, as the Khajiit view the Thalmor as their personal saviours, wouldn't it be a subjugation of Elswyr? I mean if the Khajiit want to be ruled by the Aldmeri Dominion then they wouldn't see the arrival of Imperial Legions as a good thing...

Well, it may sound like bad writing what I am about to say (I hope it isn't)....

But what if you come across a Kahjiit trader with a downed cart (much like Cicero) and when you fix it for him. He explains that he comes from Elsweyr, unfortunatly the Thalmor have requested an Assload of supplies due to your activities with the Thalamor and the dragons and have currently turned the country into a police state. You state you are the dragonborn and say you are willing to help. He puts you into a box and smuggles you in. Imagine the Pitt from Fallout 3 if it was alot larger, and given a sense of actually caring for the people.

That sounds like it could work really well. You know the Thalmor brought the Khajiit onto their side when they brought back Masser and Secunda after they disappeared from the sky; I'd quite like the Dragonborn to uncover evidence that the Thalmor were responsible for their disappearance in the first place to trick the Khajiit into joining them. The Khajiit could then revolt, help overthrow their deceivers and then have a legitimate reason for so quickly rejoining the Empire.

Perhaps there is a way to extend this.

Different ways for a final battle with the Thalmor in the region. Perhaps unleash a pair of dragons that were buried nearby? (Make these dragons much like Alduin and Paarthurnax, famous, not worthy of destroying the world but make them significant dragons.)

Of course there is also how we care about the final result. In The Pitt I sided with the Slavers because they:
A. Were already defending the slaves on their way to finding a cure
B. On their way to finding a cure for the rampant disease

Most of us have a reason for Hating the Thalmor, for this DLC to truly work, we need options to:
A. Liberate Eslweyr as an Independent nation
B. Ally it for an Empire province
C. Keep it that way as for the Aldmeri Dominion province

NO TAKING AWAY EQUIPMENT AT THE BEGINING, I know on some cases it works to do this but provide equipment that is on the same level as those that is available with a will to use it.

Ah, someone else who sided with the slavers? Yeah, that was an interesting moral choice.

I agree with you that all three sides of possible resolution should be explored, but the main campaign in Skyrim automatically sets the Dragonborn against the Thalmor, so how would a quest line to help the Thalmor retain Elsweyr work out? How could the Thalmor be persuaded to accept the aid of the Dragonborn after he/she tore apart their plans in Skyrim? Also, have you played the Broken Hearts DLC for Fallout:NV? It came up with a novel approach to inventory skimming, imposing a weight limit to carried gear heading into the campaign. Work that into your idea for a smuggling operation into Elsweyr and the caravaneer could impose say a 150 weight limit on his pack animals, allowing the player to bring some gear through but having to pick and choose which gear to take.

Part of me is excited by this idea, but another part of me thinks that if we put too much thought into this then whatever the DLC eventually is we'll end up being disappointed in it. Unless you're an undercover Bethesda dev and just haven't told me?

 

[Terminate421]

Ah, someone else who sided with the slavers? Yeah, that was an interesting moral choice.

I agree with you that all three sides of possible resolution should be explored, but the main campaign in Skyrim automatically sets the Dragonborn against the Thalmor, so how would a quest line to help the Thalmor retain Elsweyr work out? How could the Thalmor be persuaded to accept the aid of the Dragonborn after he/she tore apart their plans in Skyrim? Also, have you played the Broken Hearts DLC for Fallout:NV? It came up with a novel approach to inventory skimming, imposing a weight limit to carried gear heading into the campaign. Work that into your idea for a smuggling operation into Elsweyr and the caravaneer could impose say a 150 weight limit on his pack animals, allowing the player to bring some gear through but having to pick and choose which gear to take.

Part of me is excited by this idea, but another part of me thinks that if we put too much thought into this then whatever the DLC eventually is we'll end up being disappointed in it. Unless you're an undercover Bethesda dev and just haven't told me?

Nah, I am just a man who has brilliant concepts yet a shitty ability to communicate them through speech.

I don't know bout the Thalmor hating you on site, it may be possible that they just ignore you considering how you were not involved with their branch?

But, its the little details that matter:

A nice little addition would be Sand storms, seeing as how Elsweyr is desert, it would make the clearing inclement weather shout actually useful. These Sandstorms would very slowly damage you and clog your vision, but your the Dragonborn...you can get around that.
The dragons I mentioned? Make them have lightning breath instead of ice or fire. (Also there are two of them, make them twins, would be interesting)
Have several voice actors for Kahjiit considering how Skyrim currently has 2 voice actors for Kahjiit of each sex (Only for certain characters is this noticable)
Even then, extend some of the guilds to here. The College of Winterhold may have a sister outpost here or allow Jzargo to come home to help solve the problem (It would be hard to make him speak in Skyrim about this adventure though)
Maybe setting up a Dark Brotherhood branch here considering how Skyrim has the last branch in Tamriel?

I have piles of ideas but I don't want to keep this thread going forever.....

 

[Grouchy Imp_v1legacy]

Ah, someone else who sided with the slavers? Yeah, that was an interesting moral choice.

I agree with you that all three sides of possible resolution should be explored, but the main campaign in Skyrim automatically sets the Dragonborn against the Thalmor, so how would a quest line to help the Thalmor retain Elsweyr work out? How could the Thalmor be persuaded to accept the aid of the Dragonborn after he/she tore apart their plans in Skyrim? Also, have you played the Broken Hearts DLC for Fallout:NV? It came up with a novel approach to inventory skimming, imposing a weight limit to carried gear heading into the campaign. Work that into your idea for a smuggling operation into Elsweyr and the caravaneer could impose say a 150 weight limit on his pack animals, allowing the player to bring some gear through but having to pick and choose which gear to take.

Part of me is excited by this idea, but another part of me thinks that if we put too much thought into this then whatever the DLC eventually is we'll end up being disappointed in it. Unless you're an undercover Bethesda dev and just haven't told me?

Nah, I am just a man who has brilliant concepts yet a shitty ability to communicate them through speech.

I don't know bout the Thalmor hating you on site, it may be possible that they just ignore you considering how you were not involved with their branch?

But, its the little details that matter:

A nice little addition would be Sand storms, seeing as how Elsweyr is desert, it would make the clearing inclement weather shout actually useful. These Sandstorms would very slowly damage you and clog your vision, but your the Dragonborn...you can get around that.
The dragons I mentioned? Make them have lightning breath instead of ice or fire. (Also there are two of them, make them twins, would be interesting)
Have several voice actors for Kahjiit considering how Skyrim currently has 2 voice actors for Kahjiit of each sex (Only for certain characters is this noticable)
Even then, extend some of the guilds to here. The College of Winterhold may have a sister outpost here or allow Jzargo to come home to help solve the problem (It would be hard to make him speak in Skyrim about this adventure though)
Maybe setting up a Dark Brotherhood branch here considering how Skyrim has the last branch in Tamriel?

I have piles of ideas but I don't want to keep this thread going forever.....

Sounds like you need to discuss your ideas with some modders fella. I have no particular skill in that area, but I know there are a few groups here on the Escapist, and probably a bunch more on UESP.