Esa pulls Sopa support! we won! (now with source)

[ResonanceSD]

Getting this from extra credits' twitter feed, but we won! Shows how large amounts of pressure can sink bills!


The story on Destructoid.

http://www.destructoid.com/esa-pulls-support-for-sopa-and-pipa-shrugs-nonchalantly-220060.phtml

 

[Derek_the_Dodo]

well thats good, though i won't believe it til i see it.

Or at least a link to a non twitter source

 

[ResonanceSD]

I'll post it when i have one.

But now I can go back to supporting nvidia without feeling bad

 

[DannyJBeckett]

Make no mistake, they've only dropped public support for it. They waited until the last possible moment to do so. They were pushing this thing harder than a drug-dealer pushes meth. The ESA have only done this because their own support was plummeting like a stone, and there was plenty of talk about boycotting E3. That's what made them do a double-take. They're still as two-faced as ever, and deserve no praise at all.

 

[ResonanceSD]

Well, yes, but that is enough at this stage. We didn't want to support them,we wanted them to pull support. I don't think the esa wins any points for this.

 

[Andy Shandy]

To directly quote Jim's Twitter because it sums it up my opinion on it pretty well, "as far as I am concerned, ESA has never dropped support for #SOPA. Dropping support after it's as good as dead is meaningless."

If and when SOPA comes back, if the ESA continue to not support SOPA, it'll mean something.

 

[Scrustle]

It's good, but I think it's pretty poor that they only made this move after people started threatening to hit them in the wallets by boycotting E3. And they were "strongly" supporting it only a few weeks ago. Seems pretty cynical and greedy to me.

 

[SkySonata]

It's good, but I think it's pretty poor that they only made this move after people started threatening to hit them in the wallets by boycotting E3. And they were "strongly" supporting it only a few weeks ago. Seems pretty cynical and greedy to me.

Well it's pretty clear who they were looking after..

 

[Melon Hunter]

Well, yes, but that is enough at this stage. We didn't want to support them,we wanted them to pull support. I don't think the esa wins any points for this.

Of course not. Furthermore, the ESA's reputation now lies in tatters, and no amount of backtracking is going to repair that for the time being, particularly as their statement is written carefully so that they could still support SOPA's successor without being called out on it. I imagine there's going to be a fair bit of tension at E3 this year.

Personally, as Jim Sterling put it in his earlier article, the ESA should be ashamed of using grassroots support amongst gamers to take down that Californian law for breaking the First Amendment, only to turn around and doggedly support SOPA when it was a far more draconian and damaging bill. I would hope that the ESA stays away from trying to use grassroots support to take down any other future bills, as I doubt anyone will be listening.

 

[ResonanceSD]

I'd much rather they support OPEN. You know, a non-stupid bill.

 

[almostgold]

Why was everyone mad if you are just gonna stay mad after your demands are met?
One more check under my growing list of evidence that the internet community is actually pretty stupid...

 

[ResonanceSD]

Why was everyone mad if you are just gonna stay mad after your demands are met?
One more check under my growing list of evidence that the internet community is actually pretty stupid...

They dropped support after gamers threatened to cut their funds completely. Also read the source link. They didn't acknowledge the demands, were pretty vague and not quite contrite enough for breaking their own mandate.

 

[Extra-Ordinary]

It's good, but I think it's pretty poor that they only made this move after people started threatening to hit them in the wallets by boycotting E3. And they were "strongly" supporting it only a few weeks ago. Seems pretty cynical and greedy to me.

I see your point, but can you blame them? If I was doing something stupid and the people who payed me threatened to *stop* paying me unless I stopped doing it, you bet your *ss I'd stop! True, they shouldn't have been supporting it in the first place, but they were, so whatever it takes to get them to pull out, you know?

I'm just gonna take this at face value and call this progress. Do they deserve praise for simply pulling out? No. No, no, no, heck no.

If and when SOPA comes back, if the ESA continue to not support SOPA, it'll mean something.

If/when *this* happens, then they'll be okay in my book. Until then, I'm kind of with everyone else in this "I'm keeping my eye on you, ESA" mindset.

 

[ResonanceSD]

Perfect

It's good, but I think it's pretty poor that they only made this move after people started threatening to hit them in the wallets by boycotting E3. And they were "strongly" supporting it only a few weeks ago. Seems pretty cynical and greedy to me.

I see your point, but can you blame them? If I was doing something stupid and the people who payed me threatened to *stop* paying me unless I stopped doing it, you bet your *ss I'd stop! True, they shouldn't have been supporting it in the first place, but they were, so whatever it takes to get them to pull out, you know?

I'm just gonna take this at face value and call this progress. Do they deserve praise for simply pulling out? No. No, no, no, heck no.

If and when SOPA comes back, if the ESA continue to not support SOPA, it'll mean something.

If/when *this* happens, then they'll be okay in my book. Until then, I'm kind of with everyone else in this "I'm keeping my eye on you, ESA" mindset.

I think everyone is taking the same outlook on the ESA. No one is going to trust them after this.

 

[Scrustle]

Perfect

It's good, but I think it's pretty poor that they only made this move after people started threatening to hit them in the wallets by boycotting E3. And they were "strongly" supporting it only a few weeks ago. Seems pretty cynical and greedy to me.

I see your point, but can you blame them? If I was doing something stupid and the people who payed me threatened to *stop* paying me unless I stopped doing it, you bet your *ss I'd stop! True, they shouldn't have been supporting it in the first place, but they were, so whatever it takes to get them to pull out, you know?

I'm just gonna take this at face value and call this progress. Do they deserve praise for simply pulling out? No. No, no, no, heck no.

I blame them. Because they only did this because people threatened to stop giving them their business. Not because they realised what they were doing was morally wrong and would completely destroy the internet and be hugely damaging to freedom of speech. They haven't learnt that what they did was wrong, and they haven't even learnt that if the bill passed it would cut in to their own profits too. They just ran scared when they saw that the people who pay their salaries weren't happy with them.

 

[Windcaler]

At the end of the day I think whats really important is that SOPA as it is now is effectively dead. However we have to continue to watch congress for the next bill

As for the ESA, I think they've shown their true colors like any political group tends to in the end. They are not out for the people they say they are representing. I think its pretty clear that the ESA can not be trusted due to its behavior during this whole SOPA/PIPA fiasco. I believe the ESA is no longer good for the games industries interests and more importantly gamers interests. It definitely was during the supreme court case but I dont think it is anymore.

 

[boag]

Getting this from extra credits' twitter feed, but we won! Shows how large amounts of pressure can sink bills!


The story on Destructoid.

http://www.destructoid.com/esa-pulls-support-for-sopa-and-pipa-shrugs-nonchalantly-220060.phtml

Good, but sadly this is just a battle, they initiated a war and its time to take it to the places it hurts them the most. Its not time to daddle and celebrate one victory, its time to push harder.

 

[Atmos Duality]

If and when SOPA comes back, if the ESA continue to not support SOPA, it'll mean something.

The most sensible answer.
Saying ESA pulled support at this stage is about as relevant as switching jerseys after the game has already ended.

Next time, SOPA, next time..

 

[Drop_D-Bombshell]

You know, for once the internet is actually united against this bill. It's like users have forgotten the normal petty squabbles that usually occur to stand up against SOPA. But now that there's talk of shelving and supporters pulling out, the internet's gonna be back to normal.....Yeah ¬.¬

As for ESA, well, it was only a matter of time. They were pissing off their customers and a considerable amount of companies were against it. Consider this a win in Video Game history.