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Danny Ocean

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I don't understand this whole idea of a story being bad because it's been done before.

I mean, aren't the best stories worth telling again and again? Doesn't repetition of a story highlight that it is, in fact, good?

I saw the film last night, loved it so much I'll probably see it again in the next two weeks and drag my parents with me.

I described it to my friends thusly:

It's all things to all people: There's action for the men, a romance sub-plot for the women, a fantastical world for the kids, and a message of spirituality and morals for the oldies.
And I think that fits it quite well.
 

WaderiAAA

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I was relieved when he said Titanic was actually the weakest movie from this director, because I always wondered if not liking Titanic made me some kind of crazy person, and the "from the director of Titanic" film was the only thing that made me think carefully about whether or not to see the film. Now I know that I'm sure as hell going to see it.
 

JeanLuc761

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I absolutely loved this movie. Sure the plot is something we've all heard and it couldn't fully escape cheesy dialogue, but the world James Cameron created is second only to Peter Jackson's Middle Earth so far as impressiveness goes.

That said, it's an absolute travesty it only raked in $3.5 million on the first night whereas Twilight: New Moon raked in $26 million. Seriously, what the hell moviegoers? :(
 

Zetsubou

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Kimarous said:
I'm sorry, but no... just... no. There is no way I'm going to see this movie, or at the very least, pay to see it. As another poster aptly put it, it's friggin' "Gears of War" in it's execution: absolutely stunning in it's execution, but strip away the pretty graphics and you get a bland piece of dry toast.
Strip away all the bubbly cheese, delicious meat, and crisp veggies from a panini and it also becomes dry toast. Really, this is a story that has been retold for centuries, a fish out of water tale. There's not much new to it, except for the environmental detail and execution-but that's really what makes it grand. Of course if you strip it away you have dry toast...or Dances with Wolves. (zing?)
 

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I'm still not impressed enough to see the movie. The visuals, that are supposed to be the saving grace for this film, don't appeal to me at all. I am not impressed in any way by the alien design, in fact it is a huge turnoff for me, so I see no way I could enjoy a visuals centered film when I hate the friggin visuals. I am not impressed with the Deus Ex Machina that is told to be in the end, and I am not at all impressed on Cameron's supposed attention to detail, when he goes and names the resource that the humans are on Pandora for as Unobtainium. What the hell.

I'll just wait for a DVD and rent it. Or pull up my Jolly Roger and plunder some internets to see it. But I don't feel that it deserves my money in cinema at all. Meanwhile, I'll just rewatch Final Fantasy Spirits Within and pretend that the main chick is blue skinned and with stripes.
 

Seneschal

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JeanLuc761 said:
I absolutely loved this movie. Sure the plot is something we've all heard and it couldn't fully escape cheesy dialogue, but the world James Cameron created is second only to Peter Jackson's Middle Earth so far as impressiveness goes.

That said, it's an absolute travesty it only raked in $3.5 million on the first night whereas Twilight: New Moon raked in $26 million. Seriously, what the hell moviegoers? :(
It's okay. The trailers were misleading and the hype backfired. There were tons of disappointed online fanboys that had been collecting snippets for years when the trailers came out, so, seeing them and deciding that the story was generic, they made the opening rather mediocre.

But the word of mouth that Avatar is the second coming is spreading like an epidemic. Thankfully, the trailers were so horribly wrong.

Also - the soundtrack is awesome. It's also flawed, as it doesn't stand out in the movie itself. It's a shame, because it's so inspired, but perhaps it's a tactical choice not to outstage what happens on the screen.

It's like when you're playing Shadow of the Colossus, and you get so distracted by the most beautiful videogame soundtrack ever that you get stomped to death by a 50-meter cow.
 

Jirlond

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JeanLuc761 said:
I absolutely loved this movie. Sure the plot is something we've all heard and it couldn't fully escape cheesy dialogue, but the world James Cameron created is second only to Peter Jackson's Middle Earth so far as impressiveness goes.

That said, it's an absolute travesty it only raked in $3.5 million on the first night whereas Twilight: New Moon raked in $26 million. Seriously, what the hell moviegoers? :(
Yeah I was thinking about that today - the world is totally fucked for letting that happen!

This is a great film and deserves to succeed.
 

eva243

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I was never planning on seeing this movie in the theaters anyway because it looks to black and white. I seriously doubt anyone will be watching this saying, "GO MILITARY GUYS!" XD
 

funguy2121

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Clirck said:
Now I defenetly want to see it. Oh and what did he ment with the last bit?
He was informing us that it would be virginal and nerdly of us to posit such a question as, "would a navi make for a good copulation partner?"

And he is correct.

It was realistic looking enough, though, that I found myself checking out Zoe Saldana. The visuals were just amazing.
 

Seneschal

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eva243 said:
I was never planning on seeing this movie in the theaters anyway because it looks to black and white. I seriously doubt anyone will be watching this saying, "GO MILITARY GUYS!" XD
Another mistake that sometimes makes viewers root for the "military guys."

They aren't the military. There are no patriotic soldiers among them. They're a private corporate security force, cutthroats, mercenaries and people that kill for a living (or because they like it).

It would be messy and confusing if it was some representative "Earth military force."
 

funguy2121

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robbins123 said:
Just to be a douchebag, "yeah, I'd tap that". :p

It looks cheesy and stupid but perhaps I'll forget that with all the, "ooo shiny"-ness. Hm, sounds like a current Gen Game... oh wait... they made it into a game. Gah. It reeks of, "let's make a ton of freakin' money"

At least it doesn't have Bay-splooge, I mean, splosions on it. The military this time isnt american so obviously no one's going to bother slamming the director for it.

Oh and I'll enter my name in the group that says the original trailer killed it for me.
Don't be so sure of that. Idiots have such a tendency to miss the point, anyway. Before I saw Avatar last night, I read a review in the paper and a thread on here where dipshits who considered the "soldiers" (mercenaries) American (the only 2 countries mentioned in the film are Venezuela and Nigeria and it takes place in 2154) were very upset about the final battle, wherein the audience "was asked to cheer for the deaths of American soldiers."

People forget that all these evil corporation themes also ran through Aliens, 14 years before the election of George W. Bush, just as they forget that the Star Wars prequels were originally conceived as part of a hybrid with the original trilogy, back in the 70's, and even back then it was about a treacherous leader who turns a republic into an empire. The notion that the film was conceived as a Bush-basher should instead turn their attention to the show 24, a celebration of torture in situations that are as far from real life as possible and was the byproduct of a partnership between the C.I.A. and hollywood.

--Conspiracy Theorist Flame Shield--
 

funguy2121

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Psyco Josho said:
I'm not sure many of you know this, but this movie was originally supposed to be that Halo movie (at least that's what my brother told me). So if you're wondering why some of the vehicles look so familiar (especially if you've played Halo Wars) then you now know why.
No, it wasn't. James Cameron never went anywhere near a Halo meeting or script. Peter Jackson was excited about the idea for a while but it has since been shelved. Cameron has been working on this movie pretty much exclusively since he wrapped film on Titanic.
 

LeonLethality

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I'm going to stay away from deviant art for a while...

I'm still not going to willingly see this but chances are one of my friends is going to drag me along...
 

funguy2121

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It appears that quite a few of you are making assertions like "District 9 had way better acting and characters," even though you have not seen the film. For that, I genuinely thank you for the laughter.

Some of the criticism is justified, but really only by people who've seen it. The colonel, for example, starts out as a pretty damned interesting character in the first half of the movie and by the end he's pretty much become a bad guy cliche. Ditto for Giovanni Ribisi's corporate douchebag, but both are very well acted/directed throughout. Sam Rockwell is an up-and-coming actor for a reason: he's pretty damned good, and he's got lots of potential. His character is something of a grunt everyman but once you peel back the layers he's got a lot of personality. Sigourney Weaver, directed by Cameron. How do YOU think she did? She friggin' rocked. And Zoe Saldana was fantastic. Even the minor characters were well played, for the most part.

And for everyone pointing out that this is a story that to some degree has been told before, let's look at some other stories. Star Wars, for example. Would any member of the class like to tell me why the Star Wars films did so well? Thank you, Johnny, that's right. George Lucas built the entirety of the Star Wars saga around archetypes, such as the story Beowulf (guess who's Grendel?), Biblical imagery, and Flash Gordon serials, the lattermost of which provided the inspiration for the scrolling introduction to each movie.

District 9 was brilliant, I couldn't agree more. It was also a simple tale of racism and refugees transposed into a scifi world with aliens.

Probably 90% or greater of movies, novels and television shows are based either on some gimmick or on a pre-existing story. I don't see why this movie should be trashed by people who have not seen it because it translated Pocahontas into sci-fi.

Oh, and what the Hell happened to James Horner? The soundtrack sounded like Hans Zimmer!
 

RatRace123

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Well, this review actually made me consider seeing this one. Despite the fact that the "blue kitty cat people" still seem off to me, and the plot has been treaded so much now that you'd think the actual military is staffed entirely with demons straight from the 9th layer of hell in terms of villainy.

I might actually see it today.
 

Omikron009

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I saw it yesterday with a few friends. I enjoyed it a lot, but one of my friends and I were both cheering for the humans during the final battle, and we both thought the evil colonel was our favourite character. The 3d was good, but the only part where it really blew my mind was at the very beginning when everyone is exiting the cryo tubes.

One thing about this movie that made me laugh was thinking about the conflicting emotions one of my old friends might have if he ever saw this. He LOVES all things military, and loves to make believe with fake guns and such, but he's also a furry. Who's he going to root for?
 

eva243

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Seneschal said:
eva243 said:
I was never planning on seeing this movie in the theaters anyway because it looks to black and white. I seriously doubt anyone will be watching this saying, "GO MILITARY GUYS!" XD
Another mistake that sometimes makes viewers root for the "military guys."

They aren't the military. There are no patriotic soldiers among them. They're a private corporate security force, cutthroats, mercenaries and people that kill for a living (or because they like it).

It would be messy and confusing if it was some representative "Earth military force."
I think you are sort of missing the point i was trying to make, and that is the Smerfs are to obviously the good guys while the private corporate security force or whatever they're called are to obviously the bad guys. It makes the movie a bit to black and white for my tastes.