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themilo504

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MetalMagpie said:
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Am I the only Christian conservitive that is confused by this recent trend in fiction? I thought this line of thought had fallen out of the mainstream and was relegated to the minority.

Second why is Hollywood turning this stuff out shouldn't they be opposed to this stuff on principle?
Magical hook-ups specifically or gothic fantasy in general?

Gothic and urban fantasy has been popular for ages - it's just that Twilight pushed it to world-conquering levels of popularity. People (of all ages) love the idea of a secret world hidden within our own world. It's like a special club you can join, but one where people have magical powers. The Harry Potter books are another good example.

Hook-ups between magical beings and mortal humans have been popular in fiction for centuries. Like Romeo and Juliet, there's an inherent melodrama in the idea of two people desperately in love, but forced apart by some unchangeable difference. And from another (more titillating) angle, gods/immortals sleeping with human women is a subject that artists have adored since Classical times! Check out the number of paintings and sculptures depicting Zeus seducing Europa.
Am I the only one who really hates those secret world story's?

There's nothing that can break my suspension of disbelief faster I don't care how many amnesia spells you use the existence of the internet means that people will discover this secret world.

And let's not even get into the sheer stupidity of the government not knowing about something as big as the fact that magic exists.
 

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Markunator said:
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Uh-oh! MovieBob said something about a Sony product that wasn't completely positive, time to queue-up the "Figures, he always was a Nintendo fanboy" comments. Because Heaven forbid that we should be getting bored of a design that's nearly 2 decades old.
How is the controller the same as it has been? It has made the necessary updates, nothing more. Why change something that isn't broken?
Because it IS broken. The Sony controller was originally designed without the analog sticks. After the N64 came out, Sony decided to slap a couple of analog sticks on there, because even back then they were copying everything Nintendo did, and the lack of planning shows. The analog sticks are simply too clunky to use with their current positioning unless you have abnormally long thumbs.
 

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Bob, and whomever else it may concern.

Now I am not expert (unlike Crispin Freeman http://www.mythologyandmeaning.com/), but this seems to be the myth of the women as hero taken to its logical conclusion, which says to me that not only is this film wrong, but a lot of human culture's myths and ideas of man and women are patriarchal and screwed up.

What do I mean:

Link and Luke choose to take up the sword when offered.

Serena (Sailor Moon) and Sakura (Card Captors) have magical powers bestowed on them whether they like it or not.

Beatiful Creatures is just the extreme of this sexist myth that only insecure dudes, and those under their influence (lots of people) would come up with in response to something obvious:

"Why is she suddenly bleeding? That's so weird! Oh wait, it may be weird but now she can, and will, seed my immortality." Actually from the biological perspective the women is the default body plan, so no it is not, and don't even get me started on the rest of that...

Anyway, those are just the thoughts of some random rich athletic straight white Christian man, aware and trying to do something about his own power and privilege. Your thoughts?
I feel strongly against your hypothesis.
1. Link was either a) barely a character or b) predestined/forced to act (Ocarina of time and majora's mask). Rarely was he given a legitimate choice to just walk away (He did in Wind Waker, right?). Luke was genetically predisposed to his path, was actively looked after by the guy who would become his guide, and there was that whole jedi prophecy thing. While he could have turned evil, so could have buffy as faith pointed out. The great powers/position of greatness was not a choice.
2. Many popular and old male heroes in the west were predisposed to greatness such as Hercules or Achiles and even Harry Potter through birth. Not all, but many.
3. You picked two Japanese characters and then talk about white christian men? Lets talk about characters created by white men before discussing the Japanese which have their own particular cultural understanding of women

So the ball is in your court if you wish to continue to defend your point of view, I'd love to see what you have to say
 

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I saw the April O'Neil thing earlier... it begins people, lets get ready to ride this Trainwreck all over again.
 

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Why was the borderline sexist magic rule brought up as an issue, but the blanket stereotype of southerners never addressed? As an Asian who grew up in Georgia I can attest the vast majority southerners are sincerely kind people. Different political views does not a bigot make :T
 

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00m said:
What do I mean:

Link and Luke choose to take up the sword when offered.

Serena (Sailor Moon) and Sakura (Card Captors) have magical powers bestowed on them whether they like it or not.
That's sort of not the same thing, there are plenty of situations in anime and video games of male characters being put in situations beyond their control or given powers without their choice. Cherry-picking examples from an almost infinite base of fictional media to make a specific point about something almost completely unrelated isn't really helpful.

The problem here, as Bob pointed out, was the fact that somehow female casters in this universe can't choose their morality or decisions. Both Serena and Sakura are fully capable of acting badly or immorally, they're given the powers, but not really dictated to on how to use them. I know it's almost cliched to bring it up at this point, but Madoka does a really good job of exploring the idea of accepting that kind of power, for what reason they might accept it and what they end up doing with it.
 

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Thanks for the heads up, Bob. I was going to go see this next week with my best friend and now I can safely give it a pass. And hah, silly me, thinking that because this time it was the dude who was plain and powerless while the girl was the powerful supernatural creature, that it'd be a feminist-positive film.

Ugh, I can only imagine how furious I would've left the theatre. I would've ranted about the sexist magic rules for hours afterwards.
 

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Therumancer said:
Hey. What you're talking about is rape culture. The social message that men are supposed to be powerful, aggressive and dominant, while women are supposed to be passive, delicate and enjoy being "ravished" (that is, raped), is a very deeply rooted bit of misogyny that we still can't shake off as a society. Rape culture isn't just that, it's far broader, deeper and encompasses more aspects of daily life (that's why it's termed rape culture), but the gist of it is that women are taught to embrace rape and abuse as desirable things, and to surrender their sexuality, agency and power to the patriarchy.

Thankfully, we are slowly working on getting rid of this really harmful societal message, but it's going to take time and a lot of effort. And in the meantime, we're going to get horrible, horrible things like fetishised rape and abuse.
 

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bificommander said:
Yeah, my response to the trailer was 'I know you guys probably like to rake in some of that sweet Twilight money, but could you at least try to look like you're making something with ideas of it's own?' This is to Twilight what Battleship was to Transformers: Shoving trailers in the more succesful franchise fan's faces and shouting "Look, look, it looks exactly like what you just watched, surely you'd love to watch it again?"
I wish I had done the same, but it was Valentine's day and that is what my Girlfriend wanted to see. The really sad part, the Trailer had all of the best scenes from the movie in it, including every single scene where magic is used (visually) save one. The rest of the film was boring teen romance BS, complete with angst.
 

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Don't worry, I was planning to stay away from this anyway on account of it being a stupid romance thing.

Also I've been pretty much meh about everything to do with the next generation of game consoles.

And finally, Megan Fox is going to play April? Where did that come from? Also I echo Bob's sentiment: NO!
 

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maxben said:
00m said:
Bob, and whomever else it may concern.

Now I am not expert (unlike Crispin Freeman http://www.mythologyandmeaning.com/), but this seems to be the myth of the women as hero taken to its logical conclusion, which says to me that not only is this film wrong, but a lot of human culture's myths and ideas of man and women are patriarchal and screwed up.

What do I mean:

Link and Luke choose to take up the sword when offered.

Serena (Sailor Moon) and Sakura (Card Captors) have magical powers bestowed on them whether they like it or not.

Beatiful Creatures is just the extreme of this sexist myth that only insecure dudes, and those under their influence (lots of people) would come up with in response to something obvious:

"Why is she suddenly bleeding? That's so weird! Oh wait, it may be weird but now she can, and will, seed my immortality." Actually from the biological perspective the women is the default body plan, so no it is not, and don't even get me started on the rest of that...

Anyway, those are just the thoughts of some random rich athletic straight white Christian man, aware and trying to do something about his own power and privilege. Your thoughts?
I feel strongly against your hypothesis.
1. Link was either a) barely a character or b) predestined/forced to act (Ocarina of time and majora's mask). Rarely was he given a legitimate choice to just walk away (He did in Wind Waker, right?). Luke was genetically predisposed to his path, was actively looked after by the guy who would become his guide, and there was that whole jedi prophecy thing. While he could have turned evil, so could have buffy as faith pointed out. The great powers/position of greatness was not a choice.
2. Many popular and old male heroes in the west were predisposed to greatness such as Hercules or Achiles and even Harry Potter through birth. Not all, but many.
3. You picked two Japanese characters and then talk about white christian men? Lets talk about characters created by white men before discussing the Japanese which have their own particular cultural understanding of women

So the ball is in your court if you wish to continue to defend your point of view, I'd love to see what you have to say
Interestingly, one of the OLDEST ideas of fate is from the Bhagavad Gita where the character Arjuna is conflicted about whether or not he must kill a close friend of his. However, the god Krishna basically says "uh, no, you have to kill him whether you like it or not. You're war ITSELF, you HAVE to do it, it's your goddamned FATE." Fate in general is something that is a BIG part of myth and literature, mostly because man has always wondered if he truly is in charge of himself.
 

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Ummmm.....I don't love it. Nor does any woman I know love it.

A certain fanbase of women love it, but that's as far as I'm conceding.
Never did I say all women like it. Enough do to make Twilight and the like massively successful. Moviebob would rather poke at the men again though who neither write this stuff nor are the main target audience.
 

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Smilomaniac said:
Gorfias said:
I am shocked at the whole, guys decide what they want to be, girls do not. Bu this was written by two women Karmi Garcia and Margaret Stohl. What were they thinking?
Women can be sexist against their own gender.
Above, I respond to Plugav who has some fun analysis. That the movie is about a girls rebellion away from the old guard way of thinking. Interesting stuff.

But I think you still have a point. One of the classic analysis of this phenom was "Gone with the Wind." This is a story written by a woman and beloved by women. There is a scene where Rhett basically spousal rapes Scarlett. Scarlett awakes the next morning radiant. Why does this scene strike a chord with women when it should be found, by all right thinking people, abhor ant?


1:40 and 1:49

My point being that you probably haven seen the movie, so how do you know that you would agree with his opinion? :)
Too true. Is it the kind of rebellion Plugay writes of, or more of the sort of self limiting thing we see in places like "Gone with the Wind?" As I love movies, especially those with special effects, I don't doubt I'll get around to seeing this ASAP.