Escape to the Movies: Beautiful Creatures

[m19]

No sparkling vampires is automatically better in my book.

 

[triggrhappy94]

All I heard for about half of that was SPACE JAM, SPACE JAM, SPACE JAM!

If you want a real "That was it" see the latest Paranourmal Activity. The level of audiable disappointment made by my fellow movie-goers never ceases to make those movies worth it.

 

[The Random One]

If I wanted to follow a borderline sexist story about people who are 'good' on account of just not being evil that promises to engage some deep philosophical questions but throws it away at the last time for a by-the-numbers disappointing ending I'd play a videogame.

 

[nondescript]

Was that... Megan Fox as April O'Neil?

If it was, then your 'NO' was barely a fifth of the size that it needed to be.

(Also, considering the circumstances behind her leaving the Bayformers, let's just say I'm very surprises that her and Michael Bay are working together again)

Fox as April.... Bay style....

All I see is a yellow belly-shirt, or a jumpsuit that opens down to her navel.

"Because, y'know, that embodies the character as I see her." (I think we ALL know what you see, Bay.)

 

[Your Gaffer]

How big of a nerd am I that recognized April O'Neil from the cartoon still you posted? Probably no more so than most of the Escapist readership...

 

[Andy of Comix Inc]

I had to pause the video I was laughing so hard at the "x I mean y I mean z" section. God. Bob. I wouldn't say you're a comedic genius - I tune in more for your insight than your sense o' humour (and the Escapist has LRR, Zero Punctuation, and Jimquisition pretty much plugging the comedy niche well up) - but dear lord. Great fucking job on that one, dude, and I mean it. Gold.

 

[Cpu46]

I have no idea what Bob was saying Fox should not play but as she is bad in everything it is probably good advice. Can anyone enlighten me as to who it was?

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/22/megan-fox-joining-michael-bays-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles

Wait don't Bay and Fox hate each other? As in she said she was never going to be in another movie made by him again?

OT: Yea wasn't gonna touch this one either way. I just can't wait for a fantasy genre movie where a love story ISN'T the main theme to come around. If one doesn't in the next few years I may have to take matters into my own hands and call up some of my buddies who degreed in movie related stuff.

 

[Zeke17]

I'm so tired of this teenie bopper young adult bullshit. I'm now motivated to go write a genre redefining book that turns all of this crap on its head.

I wish it were possible. There's plenty of literature out there for intelligent people, the target audience of that bullshit you speak of just like to read bullshit.

 

[daxterx2005]

Man, that image of Peach made me super sad that we still haven't gotten a sequel to super princess peach.

 

[Therumancer]

*snip*

Hey. What you're talking about is rape culture. The social message that men are supposed to be powerful, aggressive and dominant, while women are supposed to be passive, delicate and enjoy being "ravished" (that is, raped), is a very deeply rooted bit of misogyny that we still can't shake off as a society. Rape culture isn't just that, it's far broader, deeper and encompasses more aspects of daily life (that's why it's termed rape culture), but the gist of it is that women are taught to embrace rape and abuse as desirable things, and to surrender their sexuality, agency and power to the patriarchy.

Thankfully, we are slowly working on getting rid of this really harmful societal message, but it's going to take time and a lot of effort. And in the meantime, we're going to get horrible, horrible things like fetishised rape and abuse.

Ummm, no, and that's kind of the point I'm trying to make. You see this in literature written by women for women, not as some kind of oppressive misogynist propaganda being perpetuated by men. The point that I'm making to Bob is that current left wing thinking and what is being projected onto women is not nessicarly what women in general want or see in their fantasy. It's difficult to articulate what exactly I'm getting at here without getting into exactly the kind of arguement your making, which is why I suggest reading women's literature first hand.

See, it would be one thing if you were dealing with *a* female author portraying this kind of thing, then you could say she represents an aberration. But when you understand this to be the norm, not only for the writers, but also what women seek out and consume in massive quanities even with all the liberation in society, it paints a differant picture.

Now there is a differance between reality and fantasy, and none of what you see here is saying women want to be enslaved, dominated, and treated like cattle out in the real world, or event that the end of the day this is what's being written about. It's something you really have to immerse yourself in to understand the point, which is why I say Bob really should do it.

But no, it's not rape culture, not really, and the inabillity to understand that is exactly the problem, that leads to the whole question of "why the hell is anyone writing this stuff, or worshipping it". We're at the point now where it's actually more insulting to say that there is some kind of "rape culture" involved at this level as that basically implies women are too stupid and brain washed to realize it, and that's really not the case.

 

[Gatx]

Am I the only Christian conservitive that is confused by this recent trend in fiction? I thought this line of thought had fallen out of the mainstream and was relegated to the minority.

Second why is Hollywood turning this stuff out shouldn't they be opposed to this stuff on principle?

Morally opposed to what stuff on principle? Magic? Fantasy? I don't think there's anything morally wrong with that at all, and Hollywood certainly wouldn't be opposed to whatever is the "it" thing right now even if some people have some moral problems with it.

-snip-

I personally can't make up my mind on whether or not you're right, but I will say that it's refreshing to actually see someone consider a different perspective on what's sexist. That was your longer original post by the way, not the response.

 

[Darken12]

Ummm, no, and that's kind of the point I'm trying to make. You see this in literature written by women for women, not as some kind of oppressive misogynist propaganda being perpetuated by men. The point that I'm making to Bob is that current left wing thinking and what is being projected onto women is not nessicarly what women in general want or see in their fantasy. It's difficult to articulate what exactly I'm getting at here without getting into exactly the kind of arguement your making, which is why I suggest reading women's literature first hand.

I read women literature constantly. I read M/M literature written by women, where actual rape is pretty much the norm. I read about feminism and keep myself updated with what women think about the products aimed at them. My views aren't mine alone, they are shared by a significant portion of women.

Also, there's something called "internalised misogyny" and it happens quite often.

See, it would be one thing if you were dealing with *a* female author portraying this kind of thing, then you could say she represents an aberration. But when you understand this to be the norm, not only for the writers, but also what women seek out and consume in massive quanities even with all the liberation in society, it paints a differant picture.

Yes, it paints the picture of rape culture and women being indoctrinated by the patriarchy into seeing controlling, predatory, dominant, aggressive and misogynistic behaviour as sexy.

Now there is a differance between reality and fantasy, and none of what you see here is saying women want to be enslaved, dominated, and treated like cattle out in the real world, or event that the end of the day this is what's being written about. It's something you really have to immerse yourself in to understand the point, which is why I say Bob really should do it.

I completely agree that there is a difference between fantasy and reality, but the truth is that society is actually telling women that the should find certain traits sexually attractive, whether in reality or in fiction (or in both). This happens for a reason, and to turn a blind eye on it does nothing to further progress and gender equality.

But no, it's not rape culture, not really, and the inabillity to understand that is exactly the problem, that leads to the whole question of "why the hell is anyone writing this stuff, or worshipping it". We're at the point now where it's actually more insulting to say that there is some kind of "rape culture" involved at this level as that basically implies women are too stupid and brain washed to realize it, and that's really not the case.

I advise you to educate yourself on rape culture [http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/2009/10/19/rape-culture-101/].

I never implied that the existence of rape culture implies women are too stupid and brainwashed to realise it. Doing so would imply that, in ancient times, those who supported slavery and racial or religious genocide were too stupid and brainwashed to realise they were committing gross human rights violations or that people who supported the apartheid were too stupid and brainwashed to realise how racist they were.

 

[Therumancer]

Bob, I'm going to address you directly again.

You would address him more directly by just sending him a message [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/profiles/view/MovieBob].

True, but I prefer not to spam web personalities by sending them E-mail unless I have something fairly important to say. I've found on this site a lot of the people doing the shows tend to read their responses, especially early on, and I've gotten direct responses before. I'm not so much fishing for a discourse with Bob on the subject so much as just giving an alternate point of view (such as it is), and putting it up publically also invites discussion, which means traffic, which ultimatly makes his articles and videos more successful.

I might not always be the most popular guy in the world, but you might notice I try and say something nearly every time Jim Steling, Bob Chipman, or Yahtzee put up a video, which is a way of support by again, generating activity. Even when people argue with me viciously over a point or comment, it pretty much helps.

Annoying people with already jammed E-mail boxes with my verbose posts, doesn't actually help with the hits, traffic, displayed interest, etc...

Speaking of which, I think Jim's "Movie Defense Force" gig could use some more love in it's responses. It has potential, but I think if it doesn't pick up a bit in the activity we might wind up losing it.

 

[Ashley Blalock]

I have no idea what Bob was saying Fox should not play but as she is bad in everything it is probably good advice. Can anyone enlighten me as to who it was?

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/22/megan-fox-joining-michael-bays-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles

Wait don't Bay and Fox hate each other? As in she said she was never going to be in another movie made by him again?

OT: Yea wasn't gonna touch this one either way. I just can't wait for a fantasy genre movie where a love story ISN'T the main theme to come around. If one doesn't in the next few years I may have to take matters into my own hands and call up some of my buddies who degreed in movie related stuff.

Well you can't put any faith in anything Micheal Bay says. We had all that fair well crap with Dark of the Moon was going to be Micheal Bay's last Transformers movie ever and yet he's back for part 4. The guy just never keeps his word.

For Megan Fox I'm guessing it's because she hasn't had a hit since Revenge of the Fallen. She has gone from one box office disaster to the next so she needs a franchise where something other than her name can draw a crowd.

Two people driven by nothing but the need for money and attention. Maybe that's why they fight because they are just too much alike. It's not about art or pushing themselves creatively it's just how can I get a pay check out of something that was popular before I started working on it.

 

[MetalMagpie]

Bob, I'm going to address you directly again.

You would address him more directly by just sending him a message [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/profiles/view/MovieBob].

True, but I prefer not to spam web personalities by sending them E-mail unless I have something fairly important to say. I've found on this site a lot of the people doing the shows tend to read their responses, especially early on, and I've gotten direct responses before. I'm not so much fishing for a discourse with Bob on the subject so much as just giving an alternate point of view (such as it is), and putting it up publically also invites discussion, which means traffic, which ultimatly makes his articles and videos more successful.

I might not always be the most popular guy in the world, but you might notice I try and say something nearly every time Jim Steling, Bob Chipman, or Yahtzee put up a video, which is a way of support by again, generating activity. Even when people argue with me viciously over a point or comment, it pretty much helps.

Annoying people with already jammed E-mail boxes with my verbose posts, doesn't actually help with the hits, traffic, displayed interest, etc...

Speaking of which, I think Jim's "Movie Defense Force" gig could use some more love in it's responses. It has potential, but I think if it doesn't pick up a bit in the activity we might wind up losing it.

Sorry, I was just teasing you because it seems like an odd statement to make about a completely public post.

I've certainly noticed you leave very long comments. You may find more people respond if you condense your points down to fewer words.

 

[Markunator]

Uh-oh! MovieBob said something about a Sony product that wasn't completely positive, time to queue-up the "Figures, he always was a Nintendo fanboy" comments. Because Heaven forbid that we should be getting bored of a design that's nearly 2 decades old.

How is the controller the same as it has been? It has made the necessary updates, nothing more. Why change something that isn't broken?

Because it IS broken. The Sony controller was originally designed without the analog sticks. After the N64 came out, Sony decided to slap a couple of analog sticks on there, because even back then they were copying everything Nintendo did, and the lack of planning shows. The analog sticks are simply too clunky to use with their current positioning unless you have abnormally long thumbs.

Well, I guess I have abnormally long thumbs, then ...

 

[octafish]

Rank? Why ain't nobody got a rank in Megaforce. 'Cept the Commander, but we all call him Hunter.
You've made me a very happy man today Bob. I thank you. I'm going to see if I can find the first few seasons of Spin City anywhere...

At first I thought this looked interesting but then I found out that the girl's wealthy dowager relative wasn't Lady Haversham and I was disappointed...Hollywood hear me! A Southern Gothic retelling of Great Expectations could be really cool!

Well, I guess I have abnormally long thumbs, then ...

Well you know what they say about guys with abnormally long thumbs don't you? They are quite likely to be acquitted of the murder of their ex-wife and her friend...too soon?

 

[ConanThe3rd]

Not for nothing, but the hat pretty much tells poor future wizards their fate in Harry Potter.