Escape to the Movies: Halo Legends

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ElephantGuts

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I am very disappointed. Call me paranoid, but I feel like this review was twisted by a hateful bias of MovieBob's against Halo. It sounds like he was praising Legends solely for going completely against what Halo is known for and pissing off all the Halo fanboys. Little praise of the episodes themselves was actually done. If antagonizing a group of people you don't like makes something great, maybe Nazi Germany was a much better place than we give it credit for.

Now I will admit that I only saw the first Legends episode, but it doesn't matter much because my opinion of all the episodes will be heavily affected by the fact that I simply don't like anime. In discussing that first episode I found myself unable to describe why I don't like anime, but I am just extremely unimpressed by it. I've heard there are some good animes, which I've never seen, but Legends seems to be characteristic of the ones I have seen and disliked: predictably, hackneyed, and corny stories and writing that seems more suited to a children's show. Plus even I could tell the animation was very mediocre for any animated show.

My opinion of anime out of the way though, the very same reason MovieBob seemed to like Legends, its standing in complete opposition to what has formerly been known as Halo, seems like a very big mistake to me. From what I could tell of the other episodes from the review, it sounds like they are completely perverting Halo and making it into a pussified emotional touchy-feely story rather than a (relatively) gritty tale of galactic warfare. Though there was some heavy connotation in my previous sentence showing which I prefer, I am not necessarily saying one is better than the other. My point is that there was no logical reason to change up Halo so drastically and disappoint most of its original fan base. That's simply not a good idea to do with anything, and though some may call it "interesting" I consider it a poorly thought out idea or simply a massive blunder.

As a disclaimer, I should mention that I am in no way a Halo fanboy; in fact I have come to hate the series for being a very generic and unimpressive shooter whose multiplayer is populated by the most immature and annoying little children in existence, making it virtually unplayable for me. So I assure you there is no personal bias present in my previous statements. Except possibly the one against anime, but I plainly called that to attention and did my best to not criticize Halo Legends solely because of being an anime.
 

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Doug said:
A random person said:
Doug said:
I don't really give a flying fuck about Halo, but I am utterly sick of Bob's Wapanese attitude to everything western.
I take it you never saw his "9" review, though I will admit, as said earlier in this thread, that he glossed over some depth on the western side. Of course, his hate is more towards FPS's and their aesthetic than anything (I watch his Game Overthinker videos, he hates them all with the exception of Bioshock).
He SPECIFICALLY stated that Western games consist only of Space-marine-tough-guy games in this review - the examples he gave where Halo and Gears of Wars.

Amazingly, there are more Western games than that. Its like me saying "All J- Games are just angsty 13 year olds trying to screw their adopted sisters" - not true (as far as I'm aware) for anything more than a small number of games.

EDIT: And I have seen his 9 review, but not in awhile.
Part of me thinks he was being a bit comedic there, though again, I agree with you that it's not true, and my objection was more towards your claim that he had a wapanese attitude hence my mentioning his "9" review (he HATES hardcore Japanophiles, and let me say that he is far from one).
 

CloggedDonkey

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at first I thought "ho god, he's trolling again." but you actually handled it pretty well, so I'll give you a cookie. and why does there always have to be a first at the top of everyone of your videos? no, really, the first comment on all of them is "FIRST!!!111ONEONEONE2"
 

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lordlee said:
Doug said:
lordlee said:
Teh Blasta said:
paragon1 said:
Brutal Legend
Mass Effect 1 and 2
Assassin's Creed II
Dragon Age
Uncharted 1 and 2
Bioshock
So...yeah.
Some of those are not FPS.
He was just listing Western games.
Agreed. Part of the reason his wapanese views annoy me. He seems to think Halo == All Western Games. And J- games annoy the crap out of me in general - the only "J-" games I like that I know about are the Mario ones. And I mean main series Mario. Oh, and some of the Zelda ones.
But now you've done the exact same thing. Also go play Fire Emblem, God Hand, and Okami.
No, I didn't.

I said I don't like J- games that I know about - I did NOT say "ALL J- GAMES SUCK" in the same way MovieBob did about Western games.
 

Souplex

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I am confuzzled by your "Try complaining aboot me picking on FPSes without mentioning Half Life" comment. The original story of a power armored non-character fighting one dimensionally evil aliens that are opressing humanity for no adequately explained reason, while the protagonist has literally no in game evidence that he is anything more than a pair of floating hands. How is that a defense of the genre?

Saying Halo is bad for popularizing Space marines (Doom is responsible for that), power armor (Half Life) and aliens baddies,(Doom/Duke Nukem/Half Life) and super machismo (Duke Nukem) is like hating Watchmen for the Dark age. Sure, it was responsible for it, but that doesn't make it bad.

You talk about Homecoming subverting Halo, however, the whole kidnapping gifted children, replacing them with clones, and then putting them through a hellish training that most don't survive has been Halo cannon for a while now. Halo takes the Metroid Prime "As much plot as you want" approach. If you don't care aboot the plot, you won't find any, if you do care you will find interesting stuff. You just got turned off when you saw the space armor and the evil aliens. Also, the thing aboot female Spartans would not surprise anyone who was familiar with extended Halo lore. The Spartans drafted children who showed signs of being physically and mentally superior. You just don't hear about them much, because by the games all but like 3 Spartans had died in some major battle, and I am fairly certain you don't see the other Spartans.
The Spartans were basically mass produced Captain America.

 

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lordlee said:
INTERESTING STUFF. MORE NEXT TIME ON: TALES! OF! INTEREST!
Nightfalke said:
B-b-b-but Deus Ex.

B-b-b-but Thief 2.

B-b-b-but System Shock.

Granted, none of these have been made in the last decade...

So I'll end with... B-b-b-but Bioshock?
So basically, Deus Ex (which is more of an RPG) and Bioshock, which doesn't play very well but has a nice atmosphere. I haven't played Thief admittedly, but System Shock was horrible.
I'm pretty sure he means the sequel to System Shock. The only thing good about the original was the hacking.

And good job Moviebob. I may think you're too generous with some movies (Daybreakers!) but you know when to stick it to certain movies (Book of Eli).
 

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I gotta say I was impressed by the level of open mindedness about this topic. Honestly I was expecting a lot of vicious ragging on the franchise but what I got instead was a well thought out response to these animae shorts. While I would disagree with you on a few of the main points within the confines of the actual game story itself I still have to admit you did a good job at analysing Halo Legends as a lot of the praise and criticisms are things that I do tend to agree with.

I myself have only seen a few, I might give renting it on DVD a try at some point.

Also incidentally, I had been planning to make a compliation of reviews based on Halo Legends myself once I've seen them all, however I'm pretty sure you beat me to the punch in some respects.
So yeah, kudos on that too.
 

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MovieBob said:
Halo Legends

This week MovieBob takes a look at the animated Halo Legends.

For more from MovieBob, check out Intermission [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/moviebob/7217-Five-Great-Movies-About-Videogames].

Watch Video
But? seriously, you need to grow a pair of balls ;)
Stay off the joy-pad stuff Bob, the first quarter of that review slipped and fell flat on its face, but only after desperately grabbing at a few pithy generalisations about modern gaming. I certainly wouldn?t call myself a ?gamer?, but whenever a movie critic begins a review with a 30-second brief on the past 10 years of ?video gaming and the broader geek culture?, it smacks a little bit of the new guy on the block rehearsing his 'whose who' list before trying to show off to his new friends with hesitant non-committal opinions and desperately unfunny sarcasm.

You do have some interesting opinions on cinema and often make comfortably incisive points. Yet I must confess that it was only after you used the words ?perfect? and ?visionary? in the same sentence as ?Kill Bill? that I?ve watched review after review after laughably smug review to see what bizarre claim you?re going to make next; Peter Jackson doesn?t make films, he slurs self-absorbed mediocre geek-fodder, then puffs them out with indulgent wide-shot after indulgent wide-shot after indulgent 'look at me aren?t I pretty, look at the pretty people in the middle of my pretty world' wide-shot. District 9? A film doesn?t need explosions to be sci-fi, I blank-cheque funded debut from a clearly intelligent director who wants to be noticed by the moronic masses needs explosions, but not a sci-fi ? just ask Duncan Jones. Moon did thinky-thinky sci-fi better, and explosions with A GOOD NARRATIVE (something you confuse with intelligence) was done far better in Star Trek. But whatever?

See you next time.
 

TheRundownRabbit

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A long time ago.....I predicted that something will come along to ruin Halo for me..well my friends this is it.
 

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OMG MONSTER RANCHER REFERENCE AND EVENGELION!


Pretty damn awesome video even though I went into it dissapointed with the subject matter but damn did it pull through to be interesting.
I know I loved Monster Rancher!

I however went into this fearing that he would tear into it with the fury that most of the internet has. I actualy like Halos story (sereously whenever someone says "Halo has a story?" or anything like that it makes me grind my teeth). Legends took that story and incorperated it with Anime realy well.
 

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You know, the sad irony is, when we send popular western things to Japan, such as Halo or the Matrix, we get back awesome films such as the Animatrix and Batman Gotham Nights.

When the Japanese send their great things over here to the West to let us have a go, we end up with Godzilla (1998) and DragonBall Evolution. :(
 
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I never really liked the Halo Universe. Too depressing, and there isn't a whole lot of substance in the games. They're OK First-Person Shooters, but the storyline is just...not that enjoyable.

But really? There are actually people who are against the concept of this? At worst Legends was just going to turn out to be a failed experiment. I guess I never understood the mindset some people have where if anything gets changed in their beloved series, the whole thing is ruined forever. Even if you hate Legends, that doesn't mean you can never play Halo 3: ODST again.
 

Shock and Awe

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While I usually like movie bob, when it comes ti anything Halo, he is an arrogant prick to say the least.
 

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Onyx Oblivion said:
Octopusesgarden said:
Onyx Oblivion said:
b-b-b-but Valve is over-rated.
Left 4 dead 1-2,team fortress 2,half life 1-2 episode 2,steam,counter strike and PORTAL.How are they overated?
Because of people like you.

The games are good, but the memes their damn fanbase spawn kill them. (Still Alive, PILLS HERE!, etc.)
Don't get me wrong,I may love valve games but I'm not a valve fanboy.
 

blindthrall

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lordlee said:
blindthrall said:
lordlee said:
INTERESTING STUFF. MORE NEXT TIME ON: TALES! OF! INTEREST!
Nightfalke said:
B-b-b-but Deus Ex.

B-b-b-but Thief 2.

B-b-b-but System Shock.

Granted, none of these have been made in the last decade...

So I'll end with... B-b-b-but Bioshock?
So basically, Deus Ex (which is more of an RPG) and Bioshock, which doesn't play very well but has a nice atmosphere. I haven't played Thief admittedly, but System Shock was horrible.
I'm pretty sure he means the sequel to System Shock. The only thing good about the original was the hacking.


And good job Moviebob. I may think you're too generous with some movies (Daybreakers!) but you know when to stick it to certain movies (Book of Eli).
I didn't like System Shock 1 or 2. I find Bioshock superior in every fashion.
Not just in the graphics department? Because while I enjoyed Bioshock's objectivist deconstruction, I thought the central conflict of the individual vs. the mass was better in System Shock. Bioshock just wasn't hard enough for its gameplay to be that engaging or for it to really be that scary(except a certain part of Fort Frolic). System Shock kept me creeped out the whole game, more from how fucked the whole situation was more than apprehension that something would jump out at me.

OT: I think it's great that the animators were trying to rile up the Halo fanbase. Master Chief getting eaten by a T-Rex makes me want to see it. And oh boy are they getting riled up. I only had to scroll through one page before Godwin's Law was invoked. In a completely stupid fashion too, basically saying that the Nazis were epic trolls. In case anybody's wondering, the few times I've enjoyed watching anime far outweigh the zero time I've played Halo and enjoyed it. Between the fruity graphics and cutesy little noises, I felt like I was shooting Care Bears. It's like a kindergarten version of Gears of War.

EDIT: Anybody who thinks the Halo story is original should read the Ringworld series.
 

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Oh, hey: I forgot one more game:

B-b-b-but Fallout 3...

Granted, Bethesda ain't much for story or character designs, but the setting of a post-nuclear 50's-future-tech downtown DC and the RPG-FPS blending is just incredible. Besides, there's noting more cathartic than blasting the head off a super mutant or even your much-hated power-armor wearing super soldier with a .44 magnum. Just think of them as a Halo Space Marine, or any other one at that, and you're good to go.

Oh, and it's currently the highest scored Western game in Famitsu history, with a total score of 38 out of 40. And these guys are the Electronic Gaming Monthly of Japan: the best damn gaming magazine reviewers in Japan. Check it out.

If anything, you get to nuke an entire town. I'll repeat: you get to nuke an ENTIRE town. What more could you want?!