Escape to the Movies: Iron Lady

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ImSkeletor

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I really like Tim Burton. He has made three or four of my favorite movies ever and I don't think i have seen him make anything that was "bad".(though Alice in Wonderland did come pretty close) So i don't think he should "stop". And no i don't really have anything to say about the real review because I don't know much about her and I wasn't planning on seeing the film anyway.
 

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number2301 said:
...for people from the north of England, Thatcher is our Bin Laden. No exaggeration.
I'm always an exception.

I think Thatcher is a great woman, on many levels, and I am in sincere agreement with many of the measures she undertook- but I do agree her career was nuanced, complex, and ambiguous than any pandering, two-dimensional schlock like this can make out. This review just sealed my decision- if it's not going to actually engage on the merits or detractions from her career, then it's a waste of time.

Daystar Clarion said:
I still haven't forgiven her for selling pretty much all of Britian's gold reserves for around 79p.
That was Gordon [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/investing/gold/7511589/Explain-why-you-sold-Britains-gold-Gordon-Brown-told.html] Brown [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1378784/Price-gold-hits-record-1-500-What-Gordon-Brown-sold-2bn-fetch-13bn.html], actually.
 

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Iron Lady just smells like Oscar Bait for Streep, I guess it is trying to ride on the wave of success that The Kings Speech created.
 

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It's possible to be a good actress and give a great performance in an otherwise terrible movie. If this movie was made solely for Streep to show off her chops and get an Oscar nom, and the probably win, then more power to it. In fact, I hope it works out in Streep's favor. Then again, I'm in love with Meryl Streep.
 

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Gallium said:
number2301 said:
for people from the north of England, Thatcher is our Bin Laden. No exaggeration.
He isn't kidding. Scotland too. In light of recent events it is fast becoming apparent that her ultimate legacy will be the break up of the United Kingdom.
Do you really think that that will happen? I'm not so sure most of scotland wants that for scotland... I know I don't ;A;

So yeah Fuck This Movie. You couldn't pay me to see a movie about Thatcher after what she did to where my family is from i.e. a mining village.

I like Streep but no. You can't a film about Thatcher without showing both sides of the story or people will just dismis it for fawning crap.

Thanks Bob for the warning. Also Thatcher feminist icon? Working class? Um, No.
 

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A bit of context on the ghost side of things - a few years ago the media in england reported that Thatcher's alzheimers had gotten so bad that she didn't know that her husband was dead and so had to be told this each day by her daughter. Basically, she had to do the grieving widow thing every morning.

Also, I'd like to point out that in Britain this film is rated 12A - not suitable for minors. I'd like to think that was an intentional bit of wordplay.
 

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Tim Burton can't stop! Who else is going to give Depp work and shit all over classic tales like him?!
 

Helmholtz Watson

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Gallium said:
number2301 said:
for people from the north of England, Thatcher is our Bin Laden. No exaggeration.
He isn't kidding. Scotland too. In light of recent events it is fast becoming apparent that her ultimate legacy will be the break up of the United Kingdom.
good, then maybe Ireland will finally be united
 

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DSQ said:
Do you really think that that will happen?
In time, yes. The death of "one nation" conservatism which Thatcher led resulted in the wiping out of the centre right in Scotland, the (until recently) domination of the majority of Scotland by the Labour party and the rise of a social democratic nationalism in the form of the SNP. A few things needed to happen before this became clear.

First, the old "Churchill" Conservatives needed to die. The generation that remembered WW2 voted Tory and were pro-union. That generation is passing/passed. Harsh, but true.
Second, the ruling party, Labour, slipped up as all ruling parties will eventually do.
Third, the switch to the opposition, the SNP. And as per their reason for existing, there will be a vote on Scottish Independence.

Will the vote pass? Stranger things have happened. Indeed the SNP came from further behind in the polls to win the last election.
But what is sure, there is a real appetite to extend the powers of devolved government. The "Devo Max" option. Scotland in charge of *everything* bar Defence and Foreign Policy. Recent polling suggests that over 70% of voters would like to see that, and the SNP would be mad not to let the public vote for it.

If "Devo Max" passes, Scotland is just in the UK for foreign relations and defence. You can see what happens next.

It will take just one Iraq war type of situation for full independence.
And we all know how much Prime Ministers like to pretend we are still world military power....

Matter of time.
 

Helmholtz Watson

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DSQ said:
Gallium said:
number2301 said:
for people from the north of England, Thatcher is our Bin Laden. No exaggeration.
He isn't kidding. Scotland too. In light of recent events it is fast becoming apparent that her ultimate legacy will be the break up of the United Kingdom.
Do you really think that that will happen? I'm not so sure most of scotland wants that for scotland... I know I don't ;A;

So yeah Fuck This Movie. You couldn't pay me to see a movie about Thatcher after what she did to where my family is from i.e. a mining village.

I like Streep but no. You can't a film about Thatcher without showing both sides of the story or people will just dismis it for fawning crap.

Thanks Bob for the warning. Also Thatcher feminist icon? Working class? Um, No.
no offense but I'm all for people to stop mining and use alternative energy, so I guess what I have to say is, fuck mining.
 

Lethos

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Volf99 said:
Gallium said:
number2301 said:
for people from the north of England, Thatcher is our Bin Laden. No exaggeration.
He isn't kidding. Scotland too. In light of recent events it is fast becoming apparent that her ultimate legacy will be the break up of the United Kingdom.
good, then maybe Ireland will finally be united
It's really odd that you have gone into a thread that has nothing to do with Ireland just so you can make a controversial statement.

Anyway I wasn't alive when Thatcher was in power however I do know that the country was actually pretty shitty before she got into power and she did manage to get our economy back on track. Probably simplifying it a bit, but meh.
 

RJ Dalton

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"Dear Tim Burton, Please stop."

Bob, I've been barking up that tree for years. It ain't happening. Best thing we can do is just awkwardly look the other way and pretend we don't know it's happening.
 

DSQ

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Volf99 said:
so I guess what I have to say is, fuck mining.
Um, what she did to the village had only a little to do with mining. So... um, okay.

Gallium said:
But what is sure, there is a real appetite to extend the powers of devolved government. The "Devo Max" option. Scotland in charge of *everything* bar Defence and Foreign Policy. Recent polling suggests that over 70% of voters would like to see that, and the SNP would be mad not to let the public vote for it.

If "Devo Max" passes, Scotland is just in the UK for foreign relations and defence. You can see what happens next.

It will take just one Iraq war type of situation for full independence.
And we all know how much Prime Ministers like to pretend we are still world military power....

Matter of time.
Hm I still think that the fear of becomming like Icland and other small european countrys is to great for the vote to pass and I doubt the gov will let a Devo Max option in the ballot but you have a point... Oh well I'll hope for the best.
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
I still haven't forgiven her for selling pretty much all of Britian's gold reserves for around 79p.

Also, the milk.

Never mess with a kid's milk.
And then that same party criticised Gordon Brown for doing the same thing later. As they did blame him for deregulating the banks when infact she did. Conservatives (the party not the ideology) have real gall to do something as insulting as criticise your opponent for redoing your mistakes.

I wish Bob would do research before talking of Thatcher as a feminist icon. Also she was from a middle class family not working class. They might mean different things in the USA but she was not working class.
 

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Lethos said:
Volf99 said:
Gallium said:
number2301 said:
for people from the north of England, Thatcher is our Bin Laden. No exaggeration.
He isn't kidding. Scotland too. In light of recent events it is fast becoming apparent that her ultimate legacy will be the break up of the United Kingdom.
good, then maybe Ireland will finally be united
It's really odd that you have gone into a thread that has nothing to do with Ireland just so you can make a controversial statement.
Gallium brought up the breaking up of the UK, NI is part of the UK. So.....that lead to my comment about Ireland.
 

Lethos

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Volf99 said:
Lethos said:
Volf99 said:
Gallium said:
number2301 said:
for people from the north of England, Thatcher is our Bin Laden. No exaggeration.
He isn't kidding. Scotland too. In light of recent events it is fast becoming apparent that her ultimate legacy will be the break up of the United Kingdom.
good, then maybe Ireland will finally be united
It's really odd that you have gone into a thread that has nothing to do with Ireland just so you can make a controversial statement.
Gallium brought up the breaking up of the UK, NI is part of the UK. So.....that lead to my comment about Ireland.
You're being deliberately obtuse or are very naive if you think Scotland voting for independence is the same situation as Northern Ireland.
 

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I know Thatcher was a pretty big figure, but it's still pretty cool to hear someone like you talk about the whole Thatcher issue so comfortably. I'm Welsh so you know what side I take of it, which is a shame because I was looking forward to the film (not that I believed it was ever going to take the _correct_ side :D )