It's Tommy Wiseau. Denny was the completely pointless creeper that liked to watch Johnny get it on.
Either way, yes. Everyone should at least attempt to watch The Room. Not everyone will appreciate it, but goddam if it isn't a gem of complete shit in how absurdly bad it is.
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Apologies, I was actually talking to a friend at the time about the room and the pointlessness of Denny and just named-mixed-up-thing.
But indeed, I'd wager most of the cast are pointless and could have been ommitted.. Or for what its worth I'd just love to see Tommy do a 2-hour, one man show of the room,, utter brilliance.
(must also Point out that Birdemic, also a must watch, as well as its honest-to-god sequal, 'Birdemic II: The Resurection'!(different director/cast tho ))
I'm pretty sure that the Escapist decides what he watches, and though I indeed do think Senna was a Great film,, I guess its not main stream and/or of nerd-interest enough to merit a review on the site..
No joke, I actually watched this movie last night, and my response is about on par with yours, Moviebob.
Except that I'm not really willing to defend it, and at the same time, I am. I think it's a movie that isn't the worst, but it's not as bad as you are saying it is. Of course, I've maybe seen two new movies all year, and reviews are opinion, so, I'll take that with a grain of salt.
It's a polarizing picture, and the sad thing is, if you said you loved it, I could see why, and if you hated it, I could say why.
If nothing else, the very end is probably brilliant (not the lead up to the end, I was as disappointed as you were), but the very end, at least Kevin Smith imparts some kind of wisdom that I think we all should follow when we think of the WBC today. (Funny to mention, the last line in the movie is spoken by Smith, and it's still has some wisdom behind it, whether it applies to the resolve or Kevin's career, even).
I actually saw Red State when Kevin Smith premiered it in Radio City Music hall. I enjoyed it quite a bit, but the audience was horrendous. I never thought I'd literally be in a sea of dicks in my life, but I guess anything can happen.
OT: I thought the point of Red State was that even though the country is run by colossal assholes, we shouldn't have qualms about them busting into a religious nut's compound and just wiping that blemish from our social order. Can't say I disagree.
Personally i love smithdom, i will admit its not for everybody and generally only really connects with those who enjoy a stoner making comedies, actions, and now horror.
Smith has repeatedly said that this movie is really three movies, a horny teenager sex pursuit, a cult who believes that they are doing the lords work, and a standoff. so bob got those points right. smith generally does not do satire and again here does not. smith is a storyteller and often doesn't need it to be about anything. hell if anyone knows his next movie is based on a hockey song and he's splitting that into two films.
I think to understand his films, you should listen to smodcast, specifically the one with him and mosier because that is him at his most candid.
he's well aware he's a niche market, and often seeks from studios not to give him a huge budget or big stars. however people like hanging with him and thus wanna work with him, so he usually can. the selling to himself if you listen to the smodcast was premeditated. he was talking about releasing it himself long before he took it to the bidding war for the rights, and there actually was legitimate interest but smith felt that they were trying to hard. smith goes under what he calls harvey's method which is to advertise to the people who wanna watch a smith film and not the general crowd because he knows his market is small.
generally i like these reviews because i can on some points agree, however after hearing it in its entirity its clear movie bob is not a smith fan, and so it makes sense he would not like the movie. But having been lucky enough to see the movie i will say it is worth your time if you enjoy smith films, if not then to each his own.
Another film with religious nutjobs. I'm not directly offended, but as a Christian (and a fairly liberal one), I worry that future generations will start to base all understanding of religion on these kinds of films: "Religious people are misguided people whose beliefs will quickly change from wrong to plain dangerous".
I understand that having good guys corrupted - for example, Christians, who are supposed to be kind, open hearted people, being aggressive and unreasonable - adds to the shock and awe of films, and that this is the basis of the entire film, but recently, it's moving past that and starting to hit close to home. I will call upon Sunshine as evidence - a really tense, good film, but a guy tries to kill them because "God told him to". It was really unneccessary, and I am sure there are more appropriate ways of forwarding the plot.
EDIT (22:30 GMT): Actually, pubbing [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/6.311829-Escape-to-the-Movies-Red-State#12627944] has made quite a good point that the whole thing may have been ironic, as a way of drawing attention to the overblown cartoon evil guys so people stop and think "Yeah, people aren't really like that". I just worry they won't.
Holy cow! Moviebob surprised the heck out of me. I was 100% sure that Moviebob was going to LOOOOOVE Saint Kevin Smith's "Red State". It has everything a Leftist propaganda film needs.... The villains are non-Democrat Christian heterosexual psychotic murderers who have to be "pacified" by Dear Leader's stormtroopers.
I know Moviebob's opinions are the opposite of most people -- see his glowing reviews of box office bombs "Sucker Punch" and "Thor" for examples -- but who would have thought that Moviebob would have an opinion that would agree with normal people!
Of course, this means that "Red State" will get glowing reviews from the MSM and that "Red State" will win the Academy Award for Best Picture next year.
Considering the "Saw" and "Hostel" movie sequels are getting into double digits, I'm sure we'll have more "Red State" movies as we get closer to Election Day.
First, Thor? I wouldn't call a Domestic Total Gross of $181,030,624 a 'box office bomb'.
Second, Red State has been widely panned. Go look at Rotten Tomatoes: 38%, rotten. Don't think it'll be in the running for an Oscar, particularly given the shenanigans that Kevin Smith pulled in the 'release' to the movie.
OT: I actually enjoyed the Hell out of 'Red State'. I think a big part of that was that a friend DVR'd it, and didn't tell me a thing about it before having me watch it. Didn't know it was a Kevin Smith movie until after I watched it. Didn't know what it was about.
Yes, I'm saying that knowing it's a Kevin Smith film will certainly color your opinion of it.
The two points about which I will agree with Bob are: now that I think of it, he should've used a gay protagonist, but
considering that all three 'protagonists' die, that might've caused a ruckus. Or an uproar even.
(Also, they specify why the three high school kids got bagged-- they wanted to 'lay with a woman in the manner of beasts, which is offensive to the Lord and makes them Sodomites.' And remember, homosexuals are considered Sodomites as well, by the bible's definition.)
The second thing: the receding action with Goodman just explaining what happened was rather ham-handed. It could've been done more gracefully, for sure.
Other than that, I disagree with Bob almost categorically. Especially in regards to the 'point'. Life often doesn't have a point. And I think that- more than anything- was the point of 'Red State': both sides have good elements; both sides have bad elements; and this whole damn thing called 'Life' is more than half-way to batshit crazy.
My take? Red State is a decent way to spend a couple of hours. It'll make you think, some of the acting is really inspired, and it'll throw some curveballs your way. Just go into it without expectations. Is it a movie with a Life-altering message? No, unless you need to be told that Life makes very little sense most of the time.
It's ironic that I was watching a video (on youtube) filmed from one of his talks and he was saying he would never ever make an action movie, that an action movie by him would be just some guys talking, etc.
Now he makes a movie that's at least one third action. Maybe he should have sticked to just guys talking?
Either way, yes. Everyone should at least attempt to watch The Room. Not everyone will appreciate it, but goddam if it isn't a gem of complete shit in how absurdly bad it is.
Make a movie.
Get someone who can't act to play the lead. (Not that anyone else is much better.)
Get someone who can't direct to direct.
Get someone who can't even speak the language properly to write the script.
MAKE THEM THE SAME PERSON!
I'm so glad someone else noticed that, I saw that map and thought 'hm... there's something off about that...'
OT: I had no illusions that this wasn't going to be a good movie, however it is interesting that Smith chose to name the movie 'Red State' instead of a more honest title to the script. Something about taking extremism to a murderous level, I don't think of those things very well, I'm just making the observation.
Last week I mentioned this movie in the comments this week there's a review. I feel powerful. The movie's pretty good, though. Don't let "professional" opinions get in the way of a potentially enjoyable 90 minutes. This review was more from the perspective of "I just watched the latest movie by this crazy and crummy director who wants to make a political statement," rather "I just saw this movie." It works. The horror movie stuff is a pretty solid horror movie (they explain why they are murdering the "not gay" teenagers right in the scene shown in the video), the action stuff is intentionally jarring yet intriguing, and the ending was... meh. However, I was not bored at any point. I'm always happy to see Damian Young get work.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and blame weed. Because someone has to.
Seriously, look at all those free living bohemian types, where there is a big crossover with the anti-establishment "weed isn't a dangerous drug". And then 10-20 years later there they are, crazy as fuck. Smith is joining the ranks of Lucas, the Wachowski Brothers and many other artists who have completely lost it.
I get it, weed has been oversold in such works as "Reefer Madness" but that's become a straw-man, I don't think weed is good for the long term mental health of artists. And it's subtle, the effect.
I am very much against medicating for ANYTHING, I've seen too many people who start trying to use chemicals to guide their lives and ended up taking them where they didn't want to go.
He wrote this script before he started smoking weed. If you listen to his podcasts though, it does seem like he might be developing a problem. He bursts into tears a lot, and I've heard him throw a few temper tantrums on his morning show like when the dog barks or youtube doesn't work. He used to be sarcastic and laid back, now he's really emo. On the flip side, it makes some of his podcasts insanely funny sometimes. He's either really high or really low - even though he's almost always high. It's sad because he got Jay off of drugs and he's sharper and funnier than he's ever been.
solidstatemind said:
My take? Red State is a decent way to spend a couple of hours. It'll make you think, some of the acting is really inspired, and it'll throw some curveballs your way. Just go into it without expectations. Is it a movie with a Life-altering message? No, unless you need to be told that Life makes very little sense most of the time.
What this guy said. I think he's aping the non-message message of Coen Bros films. He doesn't get it quite right, but I see what he was going for. Maybe. Anyways, he's outright said on twitter that he put a bunch of little references to Coen stuff in the movie and that's why he also wanted John Goodman in it. (Why yes, I am a fanboy regurgitating information. There are other podcasts on his site that are way better than his. Mohr Stories and TESD are excellent.)
Funny you didn't want to review movies like Warrior or Contagion (both getting great reviews), yet thought some Kevin Smith movie that hasn't even hit wide release would be a better option.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and blame weed. Because someone has to.
Seriously, look at all those free living bohemian types, where there is a big crossover with the anti-establishment "weed isn't a dangerous drug". And then 10-20 years later there they are, crazy as fuck. Smith is joining the ranks of Lucas, the Wachowski Brothers and many other artists who have completely lost it.
I get it, weed has been oversold in such works as "Reefer Madness" but that's become a straw-man, I don't think weed is good for the long term mental health of artists. And it's subtle, the effect.
I am very much against medicating for ANYTHING, I've seen too many people who start trying to use chemicals to guide their lives and ended up taking them where they didn't want to go.
He wrote this script before he started smoking weed. If you listen to his podcasts though, it does seem like he might be developing a problem. He bursts into tears a lot, and I've heard him throw a few temper tantrums on his morning show like when the dog barks or youtube doesn't work. He used to be sarcastic and laid back, now he's really emo. On the flip side, it makes some of his podcasts insanely funny sometimes. He's either really high or really low - even though he's almost always high. It's sad because he got Jay off of drugs and he's sharper and funnier than he's ever been.
Doesn't sound good. If I was him I'd quit cannabis for good. Because he's been getting worse, he's definitely losing grip on that i-don't-know-what that keeps us glued to planet earth, mentally.
Then again, I don't know how much he is smoking now, nor exactly how much he used to smoke at the height of his career. I just don't want to wait for the 20-year studies on the mental effects of cannabis, like my grandfather's generation waited for confirmation of the "proven link" between smoking and cancer. It was too late for him.
Weed should be a rare treat, NOT something that should be consumed in any way habitually. Not even monthly. I'm talking birthdays or distant reunions.
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