Escape to the Movies: Special: Bond Girls

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Jaebird

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To everyone who's complaining about this not being uploaded on a Friday:

Get over it. I'll accept Movie Bob any day of the week, any way I can get him.

Anyway; this was a really insightful video. I like that poster art of Bond in the Japanese bathhouse. Really nice. It reminds me of a 1940's pin-up.
 

pluizig

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Bob, you might want to check. Your priviledge is showing.

As long as their sole purpose is to show how great the male hero is, or become some sort of prize for the male hero after kicking enough ass, 'Bond girls' will always be exploited. For heaven's sake, they're called 'Bond girls'! How can a character specificly written to be a '[hero] girl' ever become more than a shallow, one-dimensional caricature?

(Although I admit, Vesper Lynd in Casino Royale was a step in the right direction.)
 

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And that was awsome!
BlindMessiah94 said:
Lot of great history in that, but I would generally have to disagree.
It's a bit ridiculous to think that as times change a franchise that was based upon ideas at the time would survive without changing as well.
It's clear from that vid that Bond Girls started out during the 50's with the whole playboy movement. Of course as a woman's depiction in society changes clinging to ideas of who they are from the 50's is a bit ludicrous. It's been over 50 years. TIME FOR A CHANGE.

I loved most of the modern Bond Girls, but also absolutely hated a lot of them too.
Loved Sophie Marceau, Michelle Yeoh, Eva Green, Olga Kurysomething or other. Hated Halle Berry, Madonna, Denise Richards, etc.
Generally speaking I do find they hit the mark depicting the women Bond seduces nowadays as strong, attractive women who can do anything a man can. But then I see MovieBob's point in that casting crap like Halle Berry and Madonna undermines that very same thing.
I thought Eva Green and Olga Kalishnakovdurdur were very good characters.

Over the years Bond movie's became a caricature of themselves and were becoming increasingly lame to watch. I'm glad they have taken the franchise in a character based direction, as my favourite movies are character based.

Besides, if I want to watch James Bond nail 100 chicks, hunt down an evil villain with a ridiculous name inside a giant volcano launching a rocket into space, I will just watch You Only Live Twice or the other oldies.

I don't want more of the same thank you very much.
There's plenty of that for the nostalgic.

Movie Bob to me, you seem like a fanboy - sorry to say it. Hellbent on ideas of old and unwilling to adapt to the new.

Also I've gotta say whoever does his audio recording needs to learn how to record into a mic properly. Even YZ does better with a $5 mic.
Could not agree more man!
 

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Terrorist_school_drop-out said:
Also Moonreaker was just fucking stupid.
James Bond... IN SPACE! I almost want to reference Yahtzee here. But I won't. And let that be a lesson to any new people!


Brotherofwill said:
Totally disagree here. New James Bond kicks ass and when you see one of the Connery flicks today you can't help but notice that it's basically a cheap comedy with a lot of charm.

Daniel Craig reinvigorated the role making it exciting, tense and thrilling after a decline over the 90s. It's not his fault that A Quantum sucked ass, he did all he could with the drivel he was given.

Eva Green is one of the best Bond girls ever, she was absolutely sublime in Casino Royal.

Best Bond ever: Moore
Best Villain: Jaws
Best Bond Girl: Ursula Andress/ Eva
Best song: Live and let die.

Nice video though.
James Blonde sucks. YES, he's much closer to the oft-confused, angsty Bond of Fleming's novels, but that isn't a good thing. Bond should always be over-the-top. It might be campy, but sometimes that's a good thing. Let us not forget that book-bond fights an organization named "SMERSH" and has a juvenile anger at anything not going his way. I will give you that Eva Green played her role competently, but then so could a chimp with a tape recorder full of mouthy wisecracks. Craig is abysmal at displaying any sort of emotion except arrogance (not really an emotion, but there it is), and the general style of the movies were awful. And while it may not be Craig's fault that Quantum was a filthy theft of moviegoers pocket change, he certainly didn't HELP it.

Ugh, really, I have so many problems with James Blonde, I can't even properly detail them here, so I'm going to leave you with a paraphrased character quote from the novel version of "From Russia with Love"

Kerim Bey: "She refused my advances, so I had her kidnapped and taken to my yacht. There, I chained her naked to a wall, tossing her table scraps until the ***** learned who her master was"
Bond nods his head and agrees with this course of action.
 

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To the whole bit that people get up in arms over the idea of swinger parties and all that, I say to them, 'Shut Up!' There's a difference between political correctness and just being an annoying twit over the fact that you're not as attractive as the media. Don't be fooled by the media, honestly, half the women you see in movies and television are out right cunts in real life.
 

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MovieBob said:
Special: Bond Girls

Today MovieBob takes a special look at the women of James Bond.

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I haven't seen to many of your videos, you are a very educated peron.
 

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"all the time in the world" -son of a ***** i can't believe i missed the reference from OHMSS at first, clever bob, clever
 

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MovieBob said:
Hey Bob, a quick question. What did that thing you said at the end "After all, they had all the time in the world" I think it was mean?
Calatar said:
I don't love the Bond movies, because they are completely ridiculous, in every way. It's not awesome, it's just absurd. The difference between Austin Powers and Bond is that one expects to be taken seriously.
Which is exactly why Bond movies are awesome.
 

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Interesting thing about the initial feminist lauding and following backlash. As a (very unradical) feminist, I could see both sides. Perhaps it was the focus on the conquering man instead of the conquering woman that prompted the inevitable. But to take offense at that would be akin to protesting the sky's azure color. Bond is Bond, and its legacy won't change, while its modern manifestations will, continually.
 

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Doug said:
groundedcrow said:
Feminism
Then: "Ooooh..."
Now: "AUGH!!!"
Indeedie - in fact, MovieBob, I condemn you for your unprevoked use of Hilary Clinton. As you see, the results are...to horrible to truly describe:
I must say we really should be sending more of Hillary Clinton to fight the terrorists and less U.S. troops
 

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aLibrarianOfSorts said:
I think the summary of Feminism in this is waaaay to simplistic. Feminism has never been a single-minded, unified movement and any contradictions that seem to occur in feminist ideology largely stem from the fact that feminism is as fragmented as any social movement. The ideas that reach a mainstream audience will be those of the movements most vocal members, not necessarily those of the majority. Besides, the 'sexual liberation' of the Bond Girls has been problematic from the beginning, as are most portrayals of women's sexuality in the media. Why are they problematic? Because for the most part, they are portrayals that are crafted to specifically appeal to the stereotypical hetero male. This is largely why many feminists have a problem with the idea of the Bond Girl. The Bond Girl is not about presenting a liberated, healthy role-model for women. She is, rather, a set of instructions on how to best please a man. Even the name 'Bond Girl' suggests a general lack of respect for the authority and autonomy of women; these are adult women, and yet we call them girls. Please do more research next time, Movie Bob.
no, feminism hasn't been a one issue thing, but in the case of the bond girls, it's only about sexuality.

And he's right, the sexual revolution part of feminism was indeed elevating women who were as promiscuious as men because they were using their sexuality how THEY wanted rather than rely on men for their pyhsical fulfillment. They wanted casual sex too, but it backfired, because feminism spawned the "slut culture", which they promptly blamed men for ironicly and say more feminism is needed to reverse it.

It puts them in kind of in a bind because now they don't like being seen as promiscuious as men, but they can't suddenly start saying "go back to being nice girls" either since the situation they were rebelling against was that nice girls don't sleep around because men shouldn't be able to "get the milk for free".
 
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8-Bit_Jack said:
Terrorist_school_drop-out said:
Also Moonreaker was just fucking stupid.
James Bond... IN SPACE! I almost want to reference Yahtzee here. But I won't. And let that be a lesson to any new people!


Brotherofwill said:
Totally disagree here. New James Bond kicks ass and when you see one of the Connery flicks today you can't help but notice that it's basically a cheap comedy with a lot of charm.

Daniel Craig reinvigorated the role making it exciting, tense and thrilling after a decline over the 90s. It's not his fault that A Quantum sucked ass, he did all he could with the drivel he was given.

Eva Green is one of the best Bond girls ever, she was absolutely sublime in Casino Royal.

Best Bond ever: Moore
Best Villain: Jaws
Best Bond Girl: Ursula Andress/ Eva
Best song: Live and let die.

Nice video though.
James Blonde sucks. YES, he's much closer to the oft-confused, angsty Bond of Fleming's novels, but that isn't a good thing. Bond should always be over-the-top. It might be campy, but sometimes that's a good thing. Let us not forget that book-bond fights an organization named "SMERSH" and has a juvenile anger at anything not going his way. I will give you that Eva Green played her role competently, but then so could a chimp with a tape recorder full of mouthy wisecracks. Craig is abysmal at displaying any sort of emotion except arrogance (not really an emotion, but there it is), and the general style of the movies were awful. And while it may not be Craig's fault that Quantum was a filthy theft of moviegoers pocket change, he certainly didn't HELP it.

Ugh, really, I have so many problems with James Blonde, I can't even properly detail them here, so I'm going to leave you with a paraphrased character quote from the novel version of "From Russia with Love"

Kerim Bey: "She refused my advances, so I had her kidnapped and taken to my yacht. There, I chained her naked to a wall, tossing her table scraps until the ***** learned who her master was"
Bond nods his head and agrees with this course of action.

You're entitled to your opinion as much as anyone else, and yes the "James Blonde" thing has been a love or hate affaiar since Casino Royale came out.
And as for your reply about Moonreaker, it's still shit, and come to think of it so was "The spy who loved me" becase it was by definition "A James Bond movie"...... except the underwater car, that was cool. Oh yes and about quoting Yahtzee, I don't know what he said about the "Space" matter, but eh... http://www.fullyramblomatic.com/reviews/spywho.htm .
 

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aLibrarianOfSorts said:
I think the summary of Feminism in this is waaaay to simplistic. Feminism has never been a single-minded, unified movement and any contradictions that seem to occur in feminist ideology largely stem from the fact that feminism is as fragmented as any social movement. The ideas that reach a mainstream audience will be those of the movements most vocal members, not necessarily those of the majority. Besides, the 'sexual liberation' of the Bond Girls has been problematic from the beginning, as are most portrayals of women's sexuality in the media. Why are they problematic? Because for the most part, they are portrayals that are crafted to specifically appeal to the stereotypical hetero male. This is largely why many feminists have a problem with the idea of the Bond Girl. The Bond Girl is not about presenting a liberated, healthy role-model for women. She is, rather, a set of instructions on how to best please a man. Even the name 'Bond Girl' suggests a general lack of respect for the authority and autonomy of women; these are adult women, and yet we call them girls. Please do more research next time, Movie Bob.
God why does it seem like all forms of social movements.. Be it the Feminism wave or the Black Pride Rise or the Sexual Revolution.. It seems like they are all good ideas and have understandable reasons behind them but as time passes it loses all of its meaning and becomes just a hollow shell of its former self constantly trying to get more than what they already accomplished.. A perfect example is the black community today IM NOT SAYING ALL ARE LIKE THIS just a bunch.. They use the black/racist card to pull out of the government and society what they want then pull out when it starts to get hairy for them.. The black community in the US at least is in no way treated poorly.. They get free college tuition more or less.. If a African American in the US wishes to better himself in his career and his schooling he has at least a 3x better chance of succeeding in that than the average Caucasian.. Now as for the Feminists the original point of this post. I think the goal of Feminist was lost long ago.. Now its just either old women trying to regain the point in there life's which was lost due to the lack of respect or the Culture of the times.. Or it is young women raised on the old women beliefs.. I think every human and animal should get just as much respect as you yourself would want.. But women they want the best of all sides.. They want to be considered pretty and sexually attractive.. But on the other hand they want to be respected and almost worshiped.. This just isn't possible to have the best of both worlds.. Women are incredibly selfish now.. And i think the idea of men treating women like gods is a dead cultural ideal.. It worked back in the 50s when the whole idea came about.. Because the mindset back then was that women were majorly slower and weaker and less of a human than men were.. Now that they are treated as near equals i wont say equals because there is always that one man out there that thinks of women as just sexual toys but anyways.. That idea is dead now its like your doing everything for the women and get nothing in return.. Like with all of my girlfriends i have ever had.. I would only pay the bill at the restaurant when i felt like being nice! The rest of the times i expected us to split the bill! Its only fair.. We both have jobs we can both pay for it so whats the problem? Same thing with opening the doors and such.. I did it just to be nice.. She shouldn't expect me to open the door for her. IM NOT HER SLAVE.. Anyway i said pretty much all i wanted to say.. I just thought that your post made sense but at the same time didn't make sense..