Escape to the Movies: Sucker Punch

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Chris Vician

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Onyx Oblivion said:
Fine. I'll finally see fucking Watchmen Bob. Despite my lack of interest in it's material. And then see this right after.

Are you ever going to add your older reviews, like Watchmen and Star Trek to the Escape to the Movies archive, btw?
don't. watchmen sucked. i don't give a shit what anyone else says, i thought it was the most boring 2-3 hours of my life. this might be because i didnt read the book/comic on it, but nothing in it made sense. the jet cat/bat/anime puff head thing seemed to have a unlimited power source, the not rich yet rich guy somehow had a secret bat cave under his house in a big city, and the blue god guy somehow pulled off being overly emotional without having emotions. basically if you didn't read the comic/book, you cant help but pick apart all the small stuff till the whole looks like Swiss cheese.

also, the end throws that the moral story is terrorism is good if its for the right reasons ;)
 

CosmicSpiral

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I'm tempted to believe you, MovieBob, I really am. Frankly a lot of reviews sound like offended old men than legitimate criticism, and hell, William Fichtner single-handedly redeemed Drive Angry so I guess anything's possible in this crazy world.

But it honestly sounds like you're overcompensating for the mountain of hate reviews and letting your fanboyism get the best of you. Synder's visual style clashed horribly with the actual themes of Watchmen, making superheroics look more amazing and awesome than they actually "were". 300 would have been near-perfect popcorn fare (and that's praise-worthy on its own merits) without the pointless secondary plot. And maybe Sucker Punch is just good old-fashioned entertainment that the haters can't accept; this is certainly the case in the high-brow comics world.

But deep? Convincingly feminist? Actively challenging watchers to question reality? Purple prose doesn't make it so, Bob! War heroism and triumphant hyperviolence is primarily a masculine fetish, and will remain so unless the movie makes it an intensely individual connection. And since this takes place in the 60's, the fantasy references are at best pandering to the audience and not legitimate reflections of their own experiences. Let's not make this any more than it (possibly) is.

Nevertheless, I'm intrigued. Grrrr, you win this round!
 

zombied00d

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Worst movie I've seen in a long long time. It's Girl Interrupted filtered through a lens of early Xbox 360 games.
 

Nouw

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To be frank I'm going to see it myself...why? Well for one because reviews don't really mean jack[sub]although I listen to the good ones[/sub] and it's rated 'M' so I can actually fucking watch it. I miss so many goddamn good movies because I won't be allowed in. Even if it turns out terrible, it'd be a hell of a movie to see with my friends. I hope you come soon April 7th!
 

hardpixelrain

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From watch I've seen from the director's last films (Dawn of the Dead, Watchmen) I just don't think he has the finesse to pull off an idea like this (even if it is more than the surface level comic book lover pandering). He lacks any form of subtlety and the messages he does try to get across fall flat with their over the top videogame style execution.

AND I love comics and videogames.
 

Samurai Goomba

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I've been looking forward to this since I heard Snyder was making it.

Say what you will about his movies, but Snyder knows how to faithfully adapt source material while reworking the elements into something appropriate for film.
 

Jumplion

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From most trailers I've seen, I have no idea what the hell is going on. At first glace, it just looked like "Special Effects: The Movie", and I think I had the same problem with Watchmen were I didn't really "get" what it was going for. I might give this a chance, though most likely when it's on my Netflix queue.
 

Xenominim

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Sorry but I have to disagree with most everything Moviebob says about this movie barring Snyder's camerawork/CGI settings. Me and my friends absolutely hated this movie. I'm not sure where Bob got the idea the female characters are fleshed out, because the main character has no personality beyond getting the other girls to follow her for no discernible reason other than the plot says they have to. She's just not fun to watch on screen, she has no intensity, no emotion, nothing. And the other four girls can be summarized as 'friendly', 'cautious', and two absolute throwaway characters who we learn nothing about other than a name.

And as for it being female empowering? The action sequences are just supposed to represent women erotically dancing. That's her power, the main girl dances so sexy her friends can run around and steal stuff and nobody will notice cause they're all watching the dance. And it doesn't help those action sequences have no real tension since the movie establishes they're not real, and the fighting all boils down to killing stormtrooper style faceless enemies that have no chance.

Put me firmly on the 'hate it' side. Other than the visuals I feel like this movie failed on every other level it possibly could, and the visuals just aren't enough to sustain it when any movie nowadays can have big special effects.
 
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Yeah, I was considering seeing this movie when I saw a teaser for between news articles 2 weeks ago. And now I hear that it's "intelligent and moving, if utterly deranged"?

Hell yeah. As someone who loves and is excited by the power of dreams, I am now physched for this movie.

Now if only I didn't have exams in 3 weeks. >_< I can't justify taking time to go out to see this just yet...Oh please let it be playing after my exams...

Armored Prayer said:
Your review sounds just what my mother thought when we saw an extended sneak peek last night. Though instead of "intelligent and moving" she said "imaginative and artistic with a sprinkle of mild horror."(and she is aware its not horror)
Your mom is officially cool. XD I somehow doubt mine would like this movie.
 

The_awesome_one

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The problem with this movie is this:

It will attract mostly sad geeks searching for them tits and samurai kick-assery. It showed that atleast on the trailers I saw. That's the problem for me, they don't show the "deep artistic stuff", they show the bad-ass, good-looking, dressed-to-please-manga-nerds-fetishes action heroines. Wich is bullshit
 

ShadowsofHope

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I've already pre-ordered a ticket online for this one for tomorrow afternoon, so I'm set.

This just further solidified my resolve.

Edit: "Hell fucking yes!"
 

The Artificially Prolonged

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Saw the advert and thought it was just going to be a mindless action movie with half dressed women, but if it really has got more depth to it like Bob says then I've got two reasons to see this movie :)
 

Shoqiyqa

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I agree that the Wonder Woman image shown at the end is wrong and too shiny and that those "long pants" don't work.

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2010/06/29/unveiling-wonder-woman%E2%80%99s-new-costume-direction/

The image shown there works just fine for me.
 

Ian S

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Just when I think Bob has become so jaded and cynical that I think he won't be able to enjoy a movie like Sucker Punch on its own terms, he turns around and pleasantly surprises me my giving this a good write-up! For the most part, Bob and I seem to agree at least 80% of the time on films...except when it comes to Michael Bay and his review of Splice (which started out soooooo good, but then in the last 15 minutes went soooooo bad, soooooo quick). This is probably on the order of his review for 2012, which also got critically savaged, but when I saw it on Bob's recommendation, I enjoyed for a lot of the same reasons he did.

Then again, like Bob, I'm also a Zack Snyder fan, and I've never been disappointed by any of his movies (although I thought Legend of the Guardians was kind of slow-paced compared to the others). I was very happy with Watchmen especially, being a big fan of the book for decades. And I was probably also one of the few who actually thought the movie's ending was kind of an improvement on the original (on objective analysis, the squid does seem like it came out of left field). Frankly, I don't understand where all the Zack Snyder hate is coming from...except maybe that some who see his movies might be inclined to blithely dismiss him as a style-over-substance director, which is easy to understand. Like Bob, I personally think he "gets it."

I can see where this is going to be a "love it or hate it" movie. The marketing alone already probably bewildered the average person. Seeing beautiful girls fighting giant samurai one moment, fighting in a steampunk WWI the next, battling dragons the next, and robots the next would leave them wondering, "what the heck is this?" That the movie itself reportedly doesn't help and leaves things intentionally ambiguous will probably leave a lot of people even more frustrated, as audiences tend to like things spoon-fed to them and wrapped up in a neat little bow.

But for audiences who are just willing to go with it and let it take them for a ride, like me, it sounds like they're in for a good time.

I think Sucker Punch for Snyder will probably be like Zardoz was for John Boorman. Both are pet projects of their directors which got critically savaged for generally being thought of as too weird, but are actually pretty good films for the people who are willing to give it a chance.
 

mrverbal

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Movie bob is the best critic around, honestly.

Because I know every time he talks about how deep and complex and hard to understand a geek movie is, what he is saying is 'I'm having a fanboy orgasm over a terribly written badly directed piece of boring trash.'

Saying a film is like scott pilgrim or watchmen? An excellent way to encourage sane people to stay the hell away. Money saved, thanks bob!
 

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Very surprised he didn't mention Dawn of the Dead from Snyder's canon. Especially given how much he likes Sarah Polley. I loved it.
Watchmen was awesome. If Zack can write, well ... this could be killer.
 

Verlander

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No matter how empowering it is for women, or how girl centric it is, it's never going to attract many with those ridiculous promos, trailers and adverts.

I understand that scantily dressed girls is a great attraction for men, but if the message is for girls, and no girls have their curiosity piqued by the promotional material, then that message or theme is wasted.

I normally disagree with your reviews Bob, but I was intrigued by this one. I'm definitely going to give it a view