Escape to the Movies: The Amazing Spider-Man 2 - The Movie That Broke MovieBob

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Akiraking

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I am fine with Bob having an opinion but I think he is too over the top about it. Yes the movie does not have a traditional plot, I prefer this style of plot because it feels more like real life. Movie Bob hates Destiny but then he wants all films to have a traditional 3 act structure. Life is not like that so it is cool (at least to me) to create a movie like this. I liked Iron Man 2 as well for this reason.

Andrew Garfield works as the character, the ending was not a spoof or a joke and it was an enjoyable film. The only part I did not care for was the parent's back story since it is unnecessary. Perhaps I am lucky that I do not go into every film looking at it how Bob does. I go into films not thinking about how this is being set up for sequels and spinoffs. Beyond that one scene at the end I did not think anything was being set up for a sequel.

Oh well not like Bob and I ever agreed on movies, except Captain America 2 which I will admit was a pretty good movie but beyond that we seem to share no similar interests.
 

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Kumagawa Misogi said:
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IamLEAM1983 said:
Good God... I'm so sorry, Bob.

This is what happens when a studio holds onto an intellectual property not because it has some sort of vision for it, but because it sees it as a cash cow. We'll be stuck looking at a series of soulless sequels, just so Sony can squeeze every last cent they possibly can out of Peter Parker.

At this point, I'd almost *want* the rights to return to Marvel Studios and for that fanboyish setup to actually take place. Anything would be better than Sony Pictures going "Yeah, so we gotta keep the rights to Spidey because money... So yeah. Have a half-assed movie."

Or, shit - someone convince Sam Raimi to reboot those reboots. Anything, literally *anything* would be better than this.

You mean the same as Disney see there Marvel films? because look how quick the Hulk film trilogy was dropped once 'The Incredible Hulk' film flopped.
There's a difference between dropping something because it isn't financially viable to produce (keep in mind they're still expecting a massive profit) and making a film (or series of films) to retain character rights, while riding the superhero boom that Marvel set off. There's also the matter of quality. While Marvel has an overarching, long term plan for their cinematic universe, Sony is planning Spiderman sequels left and right without so much as having a general story direction, seemingly to take the money and run before the superhero movie bubble (that they're holding a needle to) bursts. Marvel has hired directors who seem to have actual passion for what they're doing, and has taken some pretty serious creative risks along the way. I'm no Marvel fanboy, but there's actually a big difference between Marvel's long-term "build it and they will come" approach to a money machine, and Sony's haphazard imitation carried out only because Marvel is raking it in.


( while riding the superhero boom that Marvel set off )

I'm sorry you mean the boom that Fox set off with X-men back in 2000 as every year since 2002 has been filled with superhero films starting with Sony's 2002 Spiderman.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_based_on_Marvel_Comics
There was an upswing at that point, starting with the X-Men, but I don't remember the films having the same sort of cultural impact as superhero movies post-Iron Man. It might be because I was younger and didn't pay much attention to them, anyway. I wasn't saying Marvel was solely responsible for the recent boom, they just seem to me like the reason this kind of thing has grown as large as it currently is.
 

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Bob this is how we felt when Man of Steel came out, remember your first review the positive one. The feelings you have from Spider-man 2 about disgust and how something you love was twisted is exactly how me and my brother felt about MoS. Something we loved changed into an unrecognisable shape.

I wish I had heard this from you back then, but now I realise it's because your not as big a fan of Superman. I don't envy what you have experienced man of steel sucked all the happy memories I had of the character and deformed them into utter garbage.

Stay strong Bob, in time you will realise that the old Spidey is still there, but so will this movie... it's up to you to divert your attention from it's existence.
 

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I actually think Andrew Garfield does well as Spidey...

If the rights were to revert back to Disney-Marvel i say keep him on board. I admit the film is weak, but i wouldn't say it's this bad, i love Spiderman, and while i was slightly miffed at the film it was still enjoyable.
 

Something Amyss

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Times like this, I'm convinced Bob is taking the piss.

It's not even the brunt of the movie review, or that I think it's an awesome movie. I haven't seen it yet. But from the "when they change something you love, it hurts" shtick, I'm thinking, "real people don't act like this, do they?" No, seriously. I mean, if a bad movie based on a property I liked harmed me, I would have flipped ALL the tables when Raimi took a dump on Spider-Man and made a very shiny series of pictures with Tobey Maguire wearing Spider-Man pajamas.

But life goes on, and so did I. Bayformers? Eh. Bayturtles? Also eh.

This isn't about the "breaking Bob" thing, which I also find puzzling, but specifically, specifically the preamble. I don't get it.

I also don't get how a better movie can break someone, but just the "it's ruined forever" mentality. But that's not the part that had me scratching my head. It's the idea that there's this normal reaction from people that a bad adaption somehow hurts the rest of their media collection.

Bob hating this movie was a given. It's like expecting Harry Potter fans to admit the last book was cobbled together and poorly done. But the rest? He can't be serious, can he?
 

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Oh my God! =(

After listening to this review, all I wanna do right now is drop everything, get in the car, drive to Boston, find Bob, and do what I can to comfort him in this time of need. Just hearing him pour his heart out like felt like someone who just lost a close friend. I can certainly relate to this and I think I speak for everyone here (except for those who liked this movie. God knows what their taste in movies lean towards) that none of us want to see something we love turned into something horrible. I'm not talking about people who piss and moan about Johnny Storm/Human Torch being played by a black actor. I'm talking about a comic book world and its characters turned into a passionless, corporate cash cow that is not only insulting to the art of cinema but damaging to it. And this is what Sony is doing to Spider-Man right now.

A lot of people give Sam Raimi shit over the first three Spider-Man movies. Some of them valid, some of them trivial, and some just plain fucking stupid (No, I will not say which). But, regardless of all that, at least the first two Raimi Spider-Man movies had a vision. They had the ear markings of an artist who loved these characters and their world. Even the 3rd one still had that vision, but its where we see the tainted claw marks of the corporation slowly starting to mangle it just to appease the money gods. And I can proudly say that Mark Webb is not that kind of a director. I've sat through the first one and there was no artistic vision to speak of. Webb was just a willing yes man sent in to do a job like an obedient little monkey; merely wear the vest and fez, do a little dance for the masses, and collect the money while Sony works the street organ. Much like M. Night was when Will Smith hired him to make After Earth. I'm not gonna fault the actors on this. Andrew Garfield did an OK job. Unfortunately, he and other actors were in the same ship the actors (excluding Kevin Costner) from Man of Steel were in; trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shit. Sadly, all the enthusiasm and can-do attitude cannot save a movie with a lousy script and piss-poor direction.

What really pisses me off about this is that, according to Rotten Tomatoes.com, a lot of critics say this movie is flawed but they're giving it a pass anyway. Even the website itself gave it a pass. So that tells me two things: 1) Rotten Tomatoes has no clue how to do its fucking job and 2) the critics are either completely incompetent or corporate whores or all of the above. No wonder I take the words of online reviews like Brad "Cinema Snob" Jones more seriously than the so-called "professionals". -_-

Fuck it. I'm gonna tell everyone I can to avoid Amazing Spider-Man 2 like the plague. If you still need to see it, then wait until it hits Red Box. Don't give Sony anymore money than the rock-bottom price of a one-day rental.
 

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My basic opinion is that Spider-Man has been a mess for a while now, and the movies just seem to continue this trend. On some levels I confess to a certain degree of schadenfreude at seeing Bob's reaction to this after he's pretty much promoted some of the various changes made to characters I have been a fan of in the name of "political correctness" as being good things, while I've had very similar reactions to those Bob has to Spider-Man based around people messing around with an IP I'm invested in.

That said, Spider-Man can be tricky to write, which I think is a lot of the problem. People want to keep him as a teenager or student in a lot of the media despite him having become a bona-fide adult in the comics. What's more people tend to forget that neither the current version or the old "Toby McGuire" version had it quite right. Peter Parker is supposed to be a nerd, but at the same time he's not supposed to be *that* much of a Sad Sack, people tend to forget the point of characters like Felicia Hardy and that Peter probably could have stolen Flash's girlfriend in school if he really put his mind to it, and drama over Felicia liking him was part of what inspired Flash's antics. Not to mention Felicia dressing up as "The Black Cat" and the whole interplay between their costumed identities as well, which made Felicia/Peter pairings popular "what if" scenarios and so on. In short to do a perfect "Spider Man" they need to walk between the extremes we're seeing in the movies. The fact is Peter is both the science geek misfit, AND the "cool dude" who remains unfazed in incredible situations and drops a constant stream of wisecracks. The trick is to make it so Peter easily steps into the costumed role on a lot of levels (guilt aside) and it should be obvious enough that his identity being compromised because of it should always be kind of a threat.

The thing is though that for quite a while now we've seen Spider-Man dumped on because it seems few people know how to write the character or have any ideas on where to go with it. We've had garbage like "The Clone Saga" and "One More Day", not to mention that most of the stuff people keep coming up to do with the character seems to revolve around it being someone else as Spider-Man. Say the "Ultimate" reboot of Spider-Man as a black-Hispanic teenager named Milo Morales (not even Peter Parker anymore... yet still we're being told this was Spider-Man, surprisingly Bob didn't seem to be on the hate-wagon for that one), or the whole "Superior Spider Man" thing where they pretty much killed Peter and had him living on as a ghost inside Doc Ock's head, with one of his greatest foes becoming the new Spider Man.

The point I'm getting at here is that when the comics themselves miss a lot with the character (and investing in major events as they miss) and keep trying to reinvent the character in new and attention-getting ways for sales, it's not surprising that the latest movies are doing the same, and themselves have done a lot of reinvention.

To be honest I was never big on the whole "innate web shooters" aspect of the Toby Macguire movies and the way they had the little spikes coming out of his hands to crawl, and I think they made him too much of a dweeb. The new movies restored some of the original mythology but too the character too much to the extreme other end of his personality spectrum. The end result is that real fans can rest assured that we have not seen a "final word" on Spider Man movies and bringing it perfectly to the cinema. In a way it gives us something to look forward to. One "sad" thing about the current Marvel "Cinematic Universe" is that they did such a good job with so many of those characters I doubt anyone will ever be able to do better without inviting a negative comparison. On some levels when the rights revert back to Marvel it will probably be when those trains grind to a halt, and then after a break they can work on things like "Spider-Man", "The X-men", and "The Fantastic Four" with the potential of creating them to the same quality.

As far as the Spider-Man villains go, yeah... I have to agree they seemed fairly sad. They really needed to at least give Electro his trademark costume, and really the whole defining characteristic of "The Rhino" is how he's bonded to his suit, just making him a mook in battle armor doesn't capture the essence of the character. Especially seeing as half the point of "The Rhino" is that he'd probably be a world class strongman character (his upper limits of strength and durability are impressive even by Marvel standards if I remember) if he wasn't so stupid. He's a guy that Spider Man pretty much has to outsmart or outmaneuver, being tough enough where he generally just can't take him head on.
 

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caballitomalo said:
Sorry to hear that Bob. Coincidentally thats the exact feeling I got out of Spider Man 3... I didn't bother with too many movies after I saw that "PS3 didn't sell, quick call those movie people and get cracking" vomit of a film.
Spider-Man 3 was the best of the series. If you're going to make a ridiculously stupid movie, you might as well not half-ass it.
 

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Mr. Q said:
Fuck it. I'm gonna tell everyone I can to avoid Amazing Spider-Man 2 like the plague. If you still need to see it, then wait until it hits Red Box. Don't give Sony anymore money than the rock-bottom price of a one-day rental.
I'm really torn over what I should do here. It seems like the kind of thing I'd like to see immediately, even if it's a horrendous money-driven Frankenstein's monster of a movie, just to dissect it and see what was wrong, but I don't want to contribute even the tiniest bit of cash to Sony to do so. I'm also kind of insulted that it releases here in the States on my birthday, but that's a different issue entirely.
 

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I haven't seen the movie or watched this review, largely because I didn't agree with Bob on the original and I'm concerned this will be the same until I see it myself.

But please, for the love of god, whether he thought it was good or bad, can Bob please not talk about it every other video? Especially when it's barely even relevant? Because that got extremely old last time.
 

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He can't be serious, can he?
Of course he can. Have you never been exposed to something you truly hate and thought, This is my future, this is what the world holds for me now? I have. For instance, love of the roleplaying game Exalted was a pretty huge part of my life for ten or fifteen years, but a few years back, after trying so hard to navigate the train wreck of the game created by an entirely too eager system designer playtested by no one in particular and eight years of the series having no cohesive editorial oversight because the company was floundering and that no one involved just gave a shit about to the point that books were printed with text copied and pasted from the previous edition referencing mechanics that no longer exist...I just couldn't sustain my enthusiasm. Something broke inside me. I began to hate the line, the books (that is, the physical objects sitting on my shelf), and the community surrounding them. I'm still not totally over it. The game line is now being developed by a publisher that gives a damn, and the books are being written by the all-stars whose work was actually good, but I'm still not totally over it. I still kind of hate it.

So, Mr. Chipman, should you be reading it, I think I understand how you feel, and you have my sympathies. The only thing I can say to you is that people heal. They may scar, but the wound does close.
 

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RiseUp said:
Mr. Q said:
Fuck it. I'm gonna tell everyone I can to avoid Amazing Spider-Man 2 like the plague. If you still need to see it, then wait until it hits Red Box. Don't give Sony anymore money than the rock-bottom price of a one-day rental.
I'm really torn over what I should do here. It seems like the kind of thing I'd like to see immediately, even if it's a horrendous money-driven Frankenstein's monster of a movie, just to dissect it and see what was wrong, but I don't want to contribute even the tiniest bit of cash to Sony to do so. I'm also kind of insulted that it releases here in the States on my birthday, but that's a different issue entirely.
I would suggest trying to find a movie theater that offers the lowest ticket price, especially a matinee. The cheaper, the better. Better yet, pay for one film playing nearby in the theater and sneak into ASM2 when no one is looking. I'd offer more "illegal advice" but I don't think promoting piracy is gonna win hearts and minds. It's up to you but I strongly suggest to give Sony little money on seeing this movie.
 

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Kumagawa Misogi said:
RiseUp said:
Mr. Q said:
Fuck it. I'm gonna tell everyone I can to avoid Amazing Spider-Man 2 like the plague. If you still need to see it, then wait until it hits Red Box. Don't give Sony anymore money than the rock-bottom price of a one-day rental.
I'm really torn over what I should do here. It seems like the kind of thing I'd like to see immediately, even if it's a horrendous money-driven Frankenstein's monster of a movie, just to dissect it and see what was wrong, but I don't want to contribute even the tiniest bit of cash to Sony to do so. I'm also kind of insulted that it releases here in the States on my birthday, but that's a different issue entirely.


Here's a simple idea, don't take someone else's opinion as gospel.


I know people are often treated as sheep but c'mon!
I don't. I realize that Bob hated it so much because he carried a lot more into it, where as I don't have nearly as much attachment to Spiderman. That said, I thought the first one was a hollow shell of a film, and if the general consensus on this one is similar, I'll probably end up avoiding it, or seeing it weeks down the line at a matinee.
 

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I feel for you, Bob.

But, having seen the movie, I can think of a couple of positive things. I like Dane Dehaan and Jamie Fox's performance (even if their motivations left me cold) and I like that Spider-man saves people, which, in my opinion, puts it ahead of Man of Steel.

But, to each his/her own.
 

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Apparently people forgot just exactly how the Sam Raimi Spider-man movies were. Like...it wasn't really Spider-Man at that point. He changed most of the characters and etc. And Spider-man 3 anyone.

Amazing 2 was pretty good IMHO. Bob's thing...I actually don't even get what's wrong with him. I get him not liking a movie for reasons, but "breaking"? The guy's acting up. Hamming up IMHO.

Peter and Gwen here have chemistry and the Electro fights are epic. Harry Osborn...could and should have been dropped from the movie. But otherwise, it's a pretty good action flick.