Escape to the Movies: The Amazing Spider-Man 2 - The Movie That Broke MovieBob
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Somewhere between 3 and 99, but I'm not sure where in that spectrum.Fusioncode9 said:
OT: Really? This is the film that broke you, Bob?
And you didn't want to continue reviewing films because there'll be one you hate every years or so?
What is this?
I thought I got too upset about Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkness, but holy wow.
No, wanting it to be sold to Disney isn't bad, it's the only sensible thing to do. Disney makes best superhero movies in business since 2008 (if you want to ask if I'm implying Iron Man was better than The Dark Knight, I'm not implying, I'm outright stating it).OrokuSaki said:
Ouch. We'll probably see a LOT more Spider Man films for awhile considering how Sony is an utter mess and they need every cent they can get. We'll probably also get a ton of spin-offs just to keep it rolling. Not a good status quo.
Hey Bob, longtime fan of yours buddy. I haven't seen you off the rails like this since probably the Green Lantern review, but shit at least that was funny. I'm really sorry to hear how crappy this movie made you feel. I really, sincerely hope you're playing things up a bit (or maybe down is the right word) to get your point across and you're not seriously considering quitting. I love movies and you've been one of my go-to guys for honest opinions about film for a number of years now. I enjoy your wit and the intelligent and insightful ways you analyze film. Your opinion is important to me and I would see it as a great loss if you abandoned your passion because some shmucks in Hollywood have attempted to secure their bottom line with our childhoods. I think this is us growing up Bob. We just have to let go of that kind of crap. Compartmentalize it, observe it like it was some strange pest that got in our window but we got out the mason jar in time to imprison it and stay in complete control of how the pest would affect us. Not let it be an invasion that chews the house down to its foundations. I think of you as an awesome professor of film Bob. I watch movies differently because of guys like you. I think a lot of people, especially on this site, eagerly wait for your opinion about film before they go and spend their hard-earned money. Anyway, thanks for the review again man. I'm really sorry you're feeling so shitty. I appreciate that you put yourself through this kind of emotional crap on our behalf. Have a good rest of the week brother.
didnt like the first one so i had no expectations that this one as well will be any good. but yet, this movie gets hyped a lot. toys, merchandise of any kind. sure, the kids will love it i guess but im wondering about adults as well.
I felt the same way when Mass Effect 3 ended (to this day I still have problems getting hyped for much of anything for fear of crashing disappointment.) I wish you better respect for your opinion now than we got for ours then.
I'll withhold judgement until I see this for myself, but I don't have much hope. I didn't particularly like any of the Spidy movies to date.
I'll withhold judgement until I see this for myself, but I don't have much hope. I didn't particularly like any of the Spidy movies to date.
I really wish these movies would fuck off.
P.S. Bob, really looking forward to your S.H.I.E.L.D. review tomorrow.
P.S. Bob, really looking forward to your S.H.I.E.L.D. review tomorrow.
I hope this movie bombs. I saw the first one, it was abysmal, more of it and knowing they want to make lots more of it sickens me.
This happened to me with Attack of the Clones (hoping to the Force at the time that TPM was just a misfire) but it made it clear that Lucas wasn't going to get better, or hire some serious talent to do the micromanaging as he did in ESB.
Between Mr. Chipman's remonstrance and Mr. Sterling's censure of Sony (regarding the Vita), it seems that Sony is doing a lot to demonstrate that it really doesn't care about the feelings of its fans, except how it will make them the most money. I suppose this is belaboring the obvious, in that corporations generally are so single-minded. And Sony has never been good at making smart decisions, especially when appealing to fans of its intellectual properties.
Among the many discussions about the disarray that copyright law is in, worldwide (though particularly here in the US, thanks to Hollywood being centralized here), there has been some debate as to whether copyright holders have a responsibility to the public regarding proper care and feeding of their IPs, given that ultimately all content is (intended to be) destined to enter the public domain. It's one thing for someone to make a bad film that pollutes a given property like The Amazing Spider-Man. It's another thing if that creator is the sole right-holder, and no one else is allowed to make Spider-Man content. It may be plausible (at least by my experience with the Star Wars prequels) to say it is sometimes better to have no new content than to have only bad new content. (Granted, not all content that emerged from the prequels was bad.)
While I personally believe the collapse of copyright would do less damage than the way it is currently enforced, I don't expect it to go anywhere, and the topic of responsibility to the public regarding IPs might be a good topic to (re)visit. E.g. Just because there is no legal obligation to enthusiasts of a given property doesn't mean there isn't an actual moral or ethical obligation.
Though I think Spider-Man is trapped in it's own IP purgatory much the same way Star Wars is, I think eventually we'll see good content for both again, but only after their respective owners tire from trying to press box-office sales from the mainstream. Maybe our less lawfully-minded auteurs who can do them justice will go bootleg. It wouldn't be the first time, and it's hard to suppress good art, even if it's criminal. Especially if it's criminal.
All my condolences, Bob.
238U
Between Mr. Chipman's remonstrance and Mr. Sterling's censure of Sony (regarding the Vita), it seems that Sony is doing a lot to demonstrate that it really doesn't care about the feelings of its fans, except how it will make them the most money. I suppose this is belaboring the obvious, in that corporations generally are so single-minded. And Sony has never been good at making smart decisions, especially when appealing to fans of its intellectual properties.
Among the many discussions about the disarray that copyright law is in, worldwide (though particularly here in the US, thanks to Hollywood being centralized here), there has been some debate as to whether copyright holders have a responsibility to the public regarding proper care and feeding of their IPs, given that ultimately all content is (intended to be) destined to enter the public domain. It's one thing for someone to make a bad film that pollutes a given property like The Amazing Spider-Man. It's another thing if that creator is the sole right-holder, and no one else is allowed to make Spider-Man content. It may be plausible (at least by my experience with the Star Wars prequels) to say it is sometimes better to have no new content than to have only bad new content. (Granted, not all content that emerged from the prequels was bad.)
While I personally believe the collapse of copyright would do less damage than the way it is currently enforced, I don't expect it to go anywhere, and the topic of responsibility to the public regarding IPs might be a good topic to (re)visit. E.g. Just because there is no legal obligation to enthusiasts of a given property doesn't mean there isn't an actual moral or ethical obligation.
Though I think Spider-Man is trapped in it's own IP purgatory much the same way Star Wars is, I think eventually we'll see good content for both again, but only after their respective owners tire from trying to press box-office sales from the mainstream. Maybe our less lawfully-minded auteurs who can do them justice will go bootleg. It wouldn't be the first time, and it's hard to suppress good art, even if it's criminal. Especially if it's criminal.
All my condolences, Bob.
238U
Bob, I like the vast majority of your reviews. They're normally very accurate and professional. However, I've found that I simply cannot take any of your opinions on super-hero movies at face value. This review in particular was more a monologue about how Spider-Man is ruined forever for you and barely a review on the actual movie. And like the last movie, I fully expect this one to be an okay action flick for its super-hero fighting and less the train wreck you seem desperate to get everyone to believe.
I'm honestly just going to have to stop watching your videos on super-heroes and monster movies after ASM1 (I found it okay), Iron Man 3 (terrible movie, like IM2), The Avengers (overly hyped and not as fantastic as you made it out to be) and Pacific Rim (I thought this was one of the dumber movies I've watched) and now this movie. Granted, I have not seen it yet, but this reaction to it seems entirely unwarranted and your record doesn't really make me think I can entirely believe you. It may not be a good movie, but I sincerely doubt it's as awful as you make it out to be.
I know this is all just your opinion, and I respect that I don't always agree with you on movies that aren't super-heroes or monster movies. But my goodness, these reviews in particular just seem to lack objectivity.
I'm honestly just going to have to stop watching your videos on super-heroes and monster movies after ASM1 (I found it okay), Iron Man 3 (terrible movie, like IM2), The Avengers (overly hyped and not as fantastic as you made it out to be) and Pacific Rim (I thought this was one of the dumber movies I've watched) and now this movie. Granted, I have not seen it yet, but this reaction to it seems entirely unwarranted and your record doesn't really make me think I can entirely believe you. It may not be a good movie, but I sincerely doubt it's as awful as you make it out to be.
I know this is all just your opinion, and I respect that I don't always agree with you on movies that aren't super-heroes or monster movies. But my goodness, these reviews in particular just seem to lack objectivity.
So its terrible like I figured it would be because Sony wants to move too fast in a rather limited world (one continuity dealing with one super hero) and taking the aspects that should be the dual role (the villains) and deciding, "eh, we'll introduce two or three of them and not flesh them out at all really and just save them all for he big end film to tie it all together (except venom because I guess he's marketable? [Though as a side bar I would love hte idea of a Venom/Carnage movie if the people in charge were actually competent])." Gee, shocking. wasn't the entire problem with spiderman 3 basically (and aside from the whole emo peter thing, because this spiderman is going just as bad in the total opposite being a total tool direction) "You're doing too much between the green goblin, sandman, and venom"?
Isn't this going to be DC's problem with the way they're doing the new superman movie and apparently just throwing caution to the wind and making it a justice league movie in all but name?
Oh, and i take it that the green goblin still actually looks terrible.
Isn't this going to be DC's problem with the way they're doing the new superman movie and apparently just throwing caution to the wind and making it a justice league movie in all but name?
Oh, and i take it that the green goblin still actually looks terrible.
Disney hasn't had anything to do with an incredible hulk movie (at least one that's out I can't say about plans for the future), other than having him show up in the avengers. Anything Hulk related movie wise as a standalone is out of disney's area of blame.Kumagawa Misogi said:
Except I have a feeling that (while bad) Lucas still gave a damn about Star Wars. I mean it was his baby. Episode 3 I think made up for it personally. My personal fave out of all 6 films. This however. This is sounding like no one really cares for Spider-man anymore. I bet to Kevin Feige its like watching that child who lives with the abusive parent but has sole custody and you can't do a thing to save them. At least, despite bad costumes, X-men looks like its getting their act together.Uriel-238 said:
I was thinking the exact same thing. Reminds me of how much I enjoyed Transformers until the Bay films set out to kill any love and joy I once had towards the Transformers fictional universe.bdcjacko said:
I'm with Bob I want to see some stuff start failing. Too many films as cash grabs instead of having some place to go artistically. Instead of how can we make something better it's whatever just give us your money because we ran enough ads to make this film seem culturally relevant.
even Marvel films that some people dislike (Thor, Incredible Hulk) and the ones that I didn't like (Iron Man 2 and 3) still work on a basic level and add to the universe. hell as poor as Spider-Man 3 was...well I was a bit worn out by it all, but I hadn't given up all hope. I just stopped caring after watching Amazing Spider-Man...
Spider-Man and the X-Men are my favorite things when it comes to Marvel. I think it's because of all the 90s TV shows.
The greatest thing about the MCU is that it has gotten a whole new generation of kids obsessed with superheroes. My little cousins run around shouting about Ironman all the time. Which is weird because Ironman was a B ranked hero growing up.
The current roster for the Avengers are gonna be the new TMNTs or Transforms or whatever and I couldn't help but wish the roster would be filled out with more superheroes I liked.
Batman is doing ok, but I'd take Superman, X-men, Wonder Woman, and Spider-Man any day over Thor and Ironman.
god I hope the next X-men movie is as good as First Class.
The greatest thing about the MCU is that it has gotten a whole new generation of kids obsessed with superheroes. My little cousins run around shouting about Ironman all the time. Which is weird because Ironman was a B ranked hero growing up.
The current roster for the Avengers are gonna be the new TMNTs or Transforms or whatever and I couldn't help but wish the roster would be filled out with more superheroes I liked.
Batman is doing ok, but I'd take Superman, X-men, Wonder Woman, and Spider-Man any day over Thor and Ironman.
god I hope the next X-men movie is as good as First Class.