You missed his point.xvbones said:
Megaupload was undeniably a pirate haven, but it was ALLEGEDLY taken down due to piracy and not for corporate gain (go reread his post).
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Megaupload was undeniably a pirate haven, but it was ALLEGEDLY taken down due to piracy and not for corporate gain (go reread his post).
That was a spectacularly off-topic post. There's other threads for complaining about the speed of the site, keep these posts there.bluegate said:
But not exclusively, dangerously or solely. But if you're willing to demonstrate...xvbones said:
except the whole "fact that it could kill this site due to reviews showing immagry from copyrighted material, and all the other stuff that would mean some ungrateful, stupid, son of a *****, corporate lackey could get offended that the escapist didn't rate their product 5/5 and take the site down on unrelated charges and ruin a great thing for everyone" thing, y'know cuz that's totally unimportant...SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Is this a joke? There is a ridiculously huge difference between Megaupload containing tons of pirated content/encouraging such behavior and the Escapist containing "copyright infringing" content for parody or professional reviewing purposes. Neither of those are illegal activities.
Yes, this place could get shut down, but actually doing so would be so counterproductive and downright retarded that the chances of that happening are slim (if not null). The idea that a mainstream, huge and respectable gaming site such as this will be shut down is ridiculous.
Yes, this place could get shut down, but actually doing so would be so counterproductive and downright retarded that the chances of that happening are slim (if not null). The idea that a mainstream, huge and respectable gaming site such as this will be shut down is ridiculous.
Yeah Escapist is in danger, but I'd like to see them take down YouTube, or any of the other sites that Google uses to make its profits.
'Hey Google, you know your biggest sources of revenue through advertising? Yeah, we're going to be taking them apart.'
The Wikipedia protest went part of the way to raising awareness of SOPA and leading to it being shelved, I'd like to see how quickly America fell apart if Google decided to pull something like that.
'Hey Google, you know your biggest sources of revenue through advertising? Yeah, we're going to be taking them apart.'
The Wikipedia protest went part of the way to raising awareness of SOPA and leading to it being shelved, I'd like to see how quickly America fell apart if Google decided to pull something like that.
No, it was taken down because a percentage of the people who used Megaupload used it for massive amounts of piracy, which is illegal, and thus gave the FBI just cause to take it down.lacktheknack said:
Anything else you can say about it, music distribution, corporate greed, all of that is completely irrelevant because some of the people who used Megaupload used it for massive amounts of internet piracy and that is why it was taken down.
I understand his point and I will not debate it because his point, sadly, does not matter here.
Rhetorical question: did you ever torrent any copyrighted material off of Megaupload?
If you did, you are partially responsible for the site's downfall.
And any and all of its potential to alter the way we view music or entertainment proliferation was lost.
Because of all the piracy.
Megaupload was shut down - I'm told - not for hosting pirated material, but rather because certain employees were allegedly encouraging users to post pirated material.
Also, The Escapist is too small to make a statement as a shutdown site. Something like Gamespot, which is owned by CBS, or Joystiq, which is owned by AOL, would make more sense, dramatically speaking.
Also, The Escapist is too small to make a statement as a shutdown site. Something like Gamespot, which is owned by CBS, or Joystiq, which is owned by AOL, would make more sense, dramatically speaking.
Call me stupid, ignorant, out of touch, or whatever, but could someone explain to me how showing the snip-its of gameplay or movie trailers for reveiws and such could be deemed as illegal. Is it because they are not using exclusively publicly available trailer footage and therefor spoiling it or something? If so than would it still be wrong if they ONLY used trailer and demo footage?
That is true, it was not exclusively used for piracy.The_root_of_all_evil said:
However, it was used for piracy.
Massive amounts of piracy.
Jaw-droppingly massive amounts of copyright-violating pirated torrented material passed through Megaupload.
And also material that was not pirated.
Sadly, however, the fact that some, much or even most of the material passed through Megaupload was not pirated does not somehow undo all of the material that was.
And therein lies the rub: I can't actually demonstrate this, seeing as how Megaupload was taken down.
Because of all the piracy.
Look, I understand what you are saying, but your point has been made sadly moot by all of the piracy.
You can point at the RIAA all day long and say THOSE MOTHERFUCKERS WANTED THIS TO HAPPEN but it will not ever change the fact that it happened because of all the piracy.
You should be pointing all that venomous rage at the pirates.
Scream at them that they gave the FBI the reasons they required to shut the site down.
Did the RIAA rub their hands and say "eeeexxxcellent" when they heard the news?
Likely.
Does it matter?
Not remotely.
They didn't have to lean on anyone at all, pay anyone off, make any kind of horrible shady deals in horrible expensive clubs, because illegal activity was actually and already taking place.
Piracy is why Megaupload was taken down. If Megaupload was not used for all that piracy, this conversation we are having right now would be very different.
But it was.
So it's not.
Meaniexvbones said:
I'm just quite interested how it was taken down just after SOPA was shelved (some might say in a hissy fit), the false numbers given to piracy [http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/01/internet-regulation-and-the-economics-of-piracy.ars] or this little beauty that was announced: http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/permalink/2011/111221airvinyl
It would have started working around the end of January...What a shame that it was deleted on January 20th.
But no. Pirates. Piracy, Piracy, Pirates. Killing the Internet they are with their Piratey ways.
Allegedly.
Well, I guess that's lucky then. Them pesky pirates probably did it themselves with their piratey ways. It also means that your accusation of demonstrably fails.
Certainly nothing to do with the Music Industry paying Politicians. Because Dodd assures us that never happens.
Allegedly.
Yes, there's probably copyrighted material on this website, whether it's movie clips or scenes from video games, things like that; however, it's not NEARLY to the extent of other websites like YouTube. Even if SOPA and PIPA had passed, I don't think the Escapist would be touched.
They're not going to shut down YouTube. The public would never let them get away with it. That's crazy. I wouldn't worry about a variety of websites being shutdown. The sheer ridiculousness of this makes me consider the original post nothing more than "concern trolling."
Not as such, seeing as how the site was taken down due to the vast quantities of pirated material that you yourself admitted moved through Megaupload.The_root_of_all_evil said:
What I meant to say was that I can just point at the hole where Megaupload used to be and say "remember all the piracy that you just admitted you knew full well was happening there? Yeah, that's why this happened."
I would think that you would be angrier at the pirates for giving the FBI the excuse required to take down the site, thus making their actions thoroughly justified, what with all the piracy.
Imagine how different this conversation would be if not for all of the piracy?
We could be saying YEAH, DAMN THE MAN, THOSE BASTARDS, SOMETHING SHOULD BE DONE ABOUT THIS! CASH EQUALS POWER, AM I RIGHT? YEAH! THIS IS BULLSHIT!
Sadly, this cannot be.
Because piracy, you see, appears to be a federal offense.
Pirates killed Megaupload. Scream at them. They fucked up what could have been a great thing.
Because of their own greed which turns out to be not all that different from corporate greed.
And we'll never know, seeing as how all of that blatantly illegal activity rendered such allegations utterly and completely moot.
What with all of that blatantly illegal activity being reason enough to take the site down.
Which it was.
Because of all the piracy.
Uh, that's a bit of a stretch. Unless you count "not explicitly supporting piracy" as "hardcore anti-piracy", which is silly.SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
I'll think you'll find I didn't.xvbones said:
By the way, have you copyrighted the word Piracy? Because I'd hate to think you were pirating a word and repeating an indemonstrable, unsubstantiated claim just to get yourself noticed.
But you, of course, have ample proof of the claims you are making and not just bolding certain words in an attempt to sound
Because otherwise all you're doing is spamming and trolling, and the Escapist doesn't look too kindly on that. It'd be like talking about ...piracy.
Allegedly.