EU Bans Claim Water Prevents Dehydration
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This is exactly why we need stronger regulations on newspaper articles, if it wasn't for the continual stream of utter bullshit printed to ridicule everything the EU does, I wouldn't be in the situation where I pretty much end up disregarding all these stories as dumb Daily Mail anti EU nonsense.
Seems there's two sets of opinions and not much in the way of facts.
To me it does seem like a bottled water company was trying to fund research so they could claim something over tap water, when that's just not going to be true, however.
If I'm wrong then fair enough, but I sense, even if it's not come thru in the articles, that the EU simply had to fight thru a lot of legal stuff to ensure that they couldn't make bold claims that applied equally to free, clean tap water.
'volvic mineral water - guaranteed 0% anthrax' - to me that implies that there's a reason to be concerned that there is anthrax about in water somewhere.
It's got to the point with UK papers that if I see the words 'muslim' 'benefit' 'traveller' 'cancer' 'immigrant' or 'EU' in a headline, my bullshit detector goes into overdrive, I'm just looking for the tiny bit of fact in small print that they have to put in 2 lines from the end.
Seems there's two sets of opinions and not much in the way of facts.
To me it does seem like a bottled water company was trying to fund research so they could claim something over tap water, when that's just not going to be true, however.
If I'm wrong then fair enough, but I sense, even if it's not come thru in the articles, that the EU simply had to fight thru a lot of legal stuff to ensure that they couldn't make bold claims that applied equally to free, clean tap water.
'volvic mineral water - guaranteed 0% anthrax' - to me that implies that there's a reason to be concerned that there is anthrax about in water somewhere.
It's got to the point with UK papers that if I see the words 'muslim' 'benefit' 'traveller' 'cancer' 'immigrant' or 'EU' in a headline, my bullshit detector goes into overdrive, I'm just looking for the tiny bit of fact in small print that they have to put in 2 lines from the end.
Tory MEP Roger Helmer said: 'This is stupidity writ large. The euro is burning, the EU is falling apart and yet here they are worrying about the obvious qualities of water. If ever there were an episode which demonstrates the folly of the great European project, then this is it.'
Yes, because clearly financial problems should be the European Food Standards Authority's main concern. I mean what are they THINKING to regulate food-related stuff when the Euro is in danger!
Yes, because clearly financial problems should be the European Food Standards Authority's main concern. I mean what are they THINKING to regulate food-related stuff when the Euro is in danger!
Well then that's simple:seraphy said:
"Water helps combat dehydration" states that it is a nutrient. As dehydration is a form of malnutrition, the particular nutrient in lacking is water.
It really is that simple.
There is quite simply no claim at all in medicinal benefit. None. And the EU cannot simply decree that to be so like an emperor in his invisible clothes. They are framing the debate in a blatantly straw-man way.
Terrifying precedent in favour of state censorship of the press on political matters, have you any idea what you are proposing?SenseOfTumour said:
Especially in this case when the EU so clearly are in the wrong!
Maybe before you demand laws of censorship you could actually read what the issues was actually about, this ruling is on ALL WATER whether in a bottle, from a tap, from a spring, from a rain-pipe or anywhere... it is forbidden to emphasise its sole nutritive quality!
What the hell else can water do other than prevent dehydration!?!?
Branding such an essential nutrient as water as a "medicine" is something a committed of 21 people could conjour up after 3 years. Any answer to such a simple question you know is not really about the question but protecting their ruling system from scrutiny. They clearly screwed up in their definitions and are to arrogant to admit the rules need to be changed to emphasise the role of nutrition in diseases as distinct from medicines.
The problem is their blanket rule "you cannot advertise food/drinks as preventing diseases" assumes that no foods or nutrients can prevent diseases, even diseases of malnutrition... they treat all foods as if frivolus luxuries.
And you know why people are mad? Because they do NOT have any democratic weight in this. It's all far beyond their representation.
WOW, that is almost as bad as the US policy that only drugs can cure a disease, thus making it illegal to claim oranges cure scurvy...
Yay. This nonsense again.Yassen said:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/did-congress-declare-pizza-as-a-vegetable-not-exactly/2011/11/20/gIQABXgmhN_blog.html
Why are people so quick to jump on the negative side of things because that is the most comfortable morsel of food on the spoon?
And for water:Yassen said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/the-lay-scientist/2011/nov/18/1?newsfeed=true
Shocking. Placing words in one's mouth springs to mind.
After this post I'm just going to sit back and let the ignorant ride their misinformation all the way to the exaggeration station.
"Leaving that aside, there are two major problems with the claim: drinking water doesn't prevent dehydration, and drinking-water doesn't prevent dehydration.Electric Alpaca said:
Firstly, "regular consumption" of water doesn't reduce the risk of dehydration any more than eating a pork pie a day reduces the risk of starvation."
How in the love of Dawkins is this a scientific rebuttal?
What an utterly FALSE assertion that consuming water doesn't "reduce risk" or dehydration. it would be going to far to say any amount of water consumption cures dehydration, but it IS TRUE that every drop of hypotonic-to-cyctol water you consume hydrates you more and reduces your chance of becoming dehydrated.
If a person on the brink of starvation ate a pork pie, they'd be less likely to slip into a state to be officially starving.
I know there has been a history of people making barmy and false claims about the EU and many people have made a career or refuting such claims... but really they have to concede this one. The EU have been utterly usleess here whether it is legally binding or not, they took 3 years and an assembly of 21 academics to come up with this tripe?
It casts doubt on everything they have ever concluded. At a time when the EU looks incapable to doing anything right.
This is a political farce up there with Australian government trying to ban "Dihydrogen Monoxide" before someone pointed out that was just a non-standard name for plain old water. If that hadn't been pointed out they were happy to ban it on the factually accurate attributes of water as presented to them, what this did was cast doubt on the ability of the Australian government to ever legislate on dangerous chemicals if it could get that far without them noticing.
See this is why I have absolutely no faith in the EU and wish my country had never got involved in its tremendous silliness; they are in the process of financial meltdown and they're wasting time and money on trying to determine whether or not bottled water can be marketed as a dehydration solution... *sigh*
Firstly: From what I'm reading here it seems like the EU actually made a good call, too tired to check it out.
Secondly: The article is hardly unbiased and it mentions the ol' banana myth.
Thirdly: There should be some kind of British politics drinking game. Take a shot every time a Tory jumps on an oppurtunity to bad-mouth the EU!
Fourthly: Shame on the article for saying "Daftest Brussels edict" rather than "Barmiest Brussels edict" which is so obvious, how could they miss it!?
Secondly: The article is hardly unbiased and it mentions the ol' banana myth.
Thirdly: There should be some kind of British politics drinking game. Take a shot every time a Tory jumps on an oppurtunity to bad-mouth the EU!
Fourthly: Shame on the article for saying "Daftest Brussels edict" rather than "Barmiest Brussels edict" which is so obvious, how could they miss it!?
What? Are you talking about the EU, because they haven't been having riots. Rome has had riots, as well as Greece and Britain, but not the EU. Seeing as how the EU isn't even a country, I don't think it can have riots, in the same way the UN can't have riots.Your Local DJ said:
Water. Many of us use this wonderful discovery every day to clean our cars, 'question' terror suspects, sponge bathe invalids, and disperse violent mobs, but what is... the whole story?X10J said:
Water was first discovered in 1572, by the American painter Joe Batman-Waters. He made the discovery while painting penguins and polar bears in their natural habitat on the Carribean beaches of Normandy, France.
Several of the polar bears had not taken kindly to being painted on (his avant-garde trademark was never using paper, instead he would paint objects onto the objects themselves.) And he was viciously mauled by the huge claws and fierce teeth of the penguins, being left for dead. after laying on the beach for several hours, only able to stare up at the forlorn silhouettes high in the air of the penguins circling his body, waiting for him to die before they feasted on his carcass, Batman-Waters felt something cold and clammy creep up his legs, making him feel wet and shivery. Looking down he saw a sight he had never seen before: Miles and miles of this strange blue soil, lapping at the bottom of his feet, that churned and frothed like beer. Also the Grim Reaper was gripping his legs, but that spectre was chased away by the strange blue soil creeping up the beach.
Batman-Waters was rescued by a kindly passing wolfpack, and taken to live as one of them, learning their ways and regaining his strength until he was strong enough to return to civilisation.
After several years Joe trimphantly returned to the small French coastal village of Paris, where his brand new wolf-fur suit and travelcase caused so much stir that he was invited to dine with the leader of France: the Dalai Lama himself.
The Dalai treated him to several entertaining dog-baiting matches and a traditional French bullfight in the collosseum, and afterwards a meal of curryhaggis, cooked by renowned French chef Dangermouse.
There Batman-Waters regailed his exciting tale to the Dalai Lama and esteemed writer and used car salesman Rudyard Kipling, who was over in Paris on his annual nun-hunt. Kipling was so taken by the tale of the wolves that he adapted it into the famous literature work: Battlefield Earth.
Joe was delighted to have the blue soil like substance named after him, and so news of the discovery of "Batman" was spread worldwide, helped by new technology from the industrial revolution, such as the steam engine, the Panama canal, and of course Twitter.
However, the story does not end there, as several rival inventors were not pleased at the success of "Batman". Top of this menacing cabal: Thomas Edison, Gargamel, Che Guevara, Donny Osmond and featuring Val Kilmer as the voice of K.I.T.T.
They forced the European Union to crack down on the name rights associated with calling the blue soil "Batman", under section 13-C of the Naming Rights Bill (1994) by the Department of Underachieving Names for Government Bodies, and Existing Environments that Lowers Expectations, or DUNGBEETLE. They stated that the name "Batman" was too awesome to be relegated to an inanimate object, and should be reserved for some sort of animal themed superhero, or daytime T.V. presenter. Their argument was upheld by the Honorable Judge Dread, and the motion was passed that the name must be changed by midnight that night, or Joe Batman-Waters clothes would fall off, his horse would turn back into a mouse and he would never meet his prince.
The name of the blue soil was thus changed from Batman to Water, allowing Joe to keep his share of the copyright royalties, and securing his place in history.
And that's... the whole story.
Huh.
I know why they did it (it's to prevent all sorts of shit from being classified as "medicine" for just having water in it), and come to think of it, I wouldn't mind someone coming over to the US and slapping some sense into all these idiots who insist on only drinking bottled water.
We have some of the best water on tap in the entire world and we're churning out plastic bottles because...
..."It's trendy."
I know why they did it (it's to prevent all sorts of shit from being classified as "medicine" for just having water in it), and come to think of it, I wouldn't mind someone coming over to the US and slapping some sense into all these idiots who insist on only drinking bottled water.
We have some of the best water on tap in the entire world and we're churning out plastic bottles because...
..."It's trendy."
You win the internet.....forever. So there you have it, from the Caribbean to Europe, the tale of water is one of Dalai Lamas and painters, Grim Reapers and Batman. So the next time you think you know all about something, just remember, you may not know...the whole story.Hero in a half shell said:
<link=http://books.google.com/books?id=L4aZIDbmV3oC&pg=PA532&lpg=PA532&dq=heat+conditioning+exercise+physiology&source=bl&ots=WloTo9Jj-R&sig=fun9llvD0zuPbuSKGvJrJsrmPs0&hl=en&ei=AODMTrekNciItwfbtvh9&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false>Essentials of exercise physiologyTreblaine said:
It's a pretty well-established, accepted principle of physiology. There's a big table on the page I linked to that details the physiolgic changes that take place when people become conditioned to heat stress. Maybe try reading more before you start calling people out on science next time.