Eve Online Council Chairman to Resign for Treatment of Suicidal Player

[BodomBeachChild]

I knew it was him as soon as I read the article. That comment could only come from Goonswarm. He got elected chairman with quite a few votes. 3,000 between him and the nearest runner up, but good riddens.

 

[Radelaide]

Good. The scumbag deserves nothing less than a booting.

 

[Mayhemski]

http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/69125

Found this randomly while looking stuff up, might be interesting to look at seeing as it's an article where The Mittani addresses an actual suicide at the start.

I swear I've read that before...

"When writing about war in EVE - the extremely serious business of pixelated spaceships blowing each other up in hopes of controlling an imaginary galaxy"

Interesting first page reading, leads me to believe he's sincere and aware of the severity of his actions. He was/is a lawyer I believe in real life so I guess he is very well versed in the seriousness of what happened if only froma selfish point of view, but I think he knows that the very real consequences of his actions for his victim in this case could have been very bad.

Also from that sounds like he understands that EVE is only a game no more no less, as frustrating as that is to every other player who feels he and fellow Goon squad members bring down the game and break immersion. Seems that in this case though he forgot that truth.

If he's offered a resignation and in game contrition then respect to him for that and the apology is well articulated and seems rather pointless to fake.

 

[Firia]

I'm a pirate in Eve. I've broken more dreams than Freddie Kruger. I enjoy the hunt of players, and enjoy that all aspects of Eve can be turned PVP if one isn't cautions. I've infiltrated corperation and robbed them of billions of ISK.

Still, there are lines I don't cross. There was a chance to rob a parapalegic of 1bill isk (a lot of money) worth of product and goods. Utilizing these facilities was basically all this guy had going for him. He couldn't move, but he could manipulate the mouse cursor enough to do some great industry in eve. I had the chance to rob him of all that- and I left him alone. Why? Because there are lines one does not cross.

The Mitani has admitted his errors, and I believe that it is genuine. No one forced him to write an apology. He's the CEO of Goonswarm for crying out loud! The man is the closest thing to a super villain Eve has to offer. I'm like him in that I embody a villains role when I play eve. I'm the pirate in the sky, and I pray on others.

But I'm not that person outside of Eve. I believe The Mitani can be a better person than his super villian persona- and more than likely being surrounded by people that only know him as a villain- plus alcohol, made him say something stupid. He's admitted to it, and is sorry.

As a CSM, the players chose to appoint a villain into the counsel. He's loud, he's boisterous, and he's not restricted to being a "good person." So when (The) Mitani says he's considering resigning his position, he's probably waiting to see what CCP's reaction will be.

Crap like this happens all the time on the internet. It's not right- it's never right. Loud voices have egged large swarms of people on to smaller targets. This just so happened to be very public.

Anyway, I'm getting off key. Being an Eve player, I know that the persona reflected in his character is not the same persona that makes him the man. Being surrounded by players that see him as that persona more than likely caused him to adopt that as his own for the duration, and he has witnessed what that has done, and seen the error.

I am okay with Mitani maintaining his position on the CSM. His enemies will demand a resignation- but it won't be for the miners sake. It will because they despise him.

(And the miner is doing A-okay, btw.)

 

[Thoric485]

Good on him to own up like that, the miner didn't seem much perturbed by the whole ordeal either, so all is good.

EVE : the purest PvP MMO with basically just PvP and an economics system. stuff like this.

LOTRO : No PvP. regularly refereed to as having the best MMO community on the internet even after a f2p relaunch.

draw your own conclusions because i won't be answering question from people who think there's no correlation between anything ever.

EvE actually makes me feel physically sick when i consider the inevitable thousands who must get draw in as prey while seeking an "online Elite".

I don't think it's fair to judge an entire community based on this incident. And, yes, having your shit destroyed is a big part of EVE, but it's also what makes every small victory worthwhile. It's not just an upward grind and people like this change of pace, they resubscribe every month, in bigger numbers than the F2P LOTRO in fact.

No matter who you are in the game, you can always be reduced to nothing and that creates real competition. It's one of the few truly player-run MMOs and that's something we need more of in this genre.

 

[.No.]

OK..that's it. I'm caving. Your profile pic. What's up with dis?

What about it?

It looks like it comes from a japanese tentacle hentai.

1 out of 3 right. Good effort.

Oh, don't play coy you :3

If you want it for wank material, just say it ouright and ill PM it for you.

What's it from? It's a damn good attention grabber.

 

[CUnk]

On his command his alliance has taken control of nearly all sources of Oxygen isotopes in the game strangling all the fuel supplies of every player in the game.
Now they are the only ones who can afford to field capital ships for sustained periods of time.
They say their goal is to ruin the game.
They perform mass killing and ganking.
They are from the fucking something awefull forums.
They bribe voters for the player run council.
The guy who was being bullied has been targeted by his fleet and is now under constant danger.

Aside from the "Ruin the game" and the " bribin' and bullyin' " bits, that sounds like perfectly valid tactics for a game like EVE.
If Goonswarm is such a problem, why doesn't everyone gang up on them and force them down with brute force and strength of numbers? Get a load of stealth bombers in there and run the weakest of their holds down till you have regained at least a semblance of a stable fuel supply line and start bombing them to hell like how they did Band of Brothers. Then wait for someone to come along and dethrone you a few years down the line.

Exactly.

And "ruining EVE" isn't one of Goonswarm's goals even if some goons like to say that just to piss other EVE players off. Goons have been pouring their money into that game for years and actually enjoy playing it. The story of Goonfleet (and Goonswarm by extension) is the reason people are drawn to EVE (and I'm not saying the GS story specifically -- just the idea of a small group of inexperienced but dedicated players going from serving as cannon fodder for solo gankers in some backwater pocket of the map like Syndicate to pretty much painting the map with their colors).

 

[Alandoril]

He's lucky he is not being investigated for manslaughter.

 

[rapidoud]

I don't think this person should have to 'step down' from this game. Yes, what he did was wrong. Yes, it merited an apology, but in the end, this is just a game, not the real world, and by all accounts the 'victim' in this appears to be fine, so I'm under the impression that no permanent harm came from it.

Except games like EVE shows people who they really are deep down inside.

This guy puts on his niceguy charade every day for fear of retribution.

You dont play a game and suddenly become a different person, I have some roleplay characters in some RPGs but its just variations of my actual personality. I dont do things that I wouldnt do, surely thats obvious to everyone? This guy is lying, you dont be a dick for the character if being that way makes you feel (surprisingly) like a dick.

Playing a game isnt an act, its a game... its something you play for fun. If being a dick is something you find fun then yes, you are a dick. Again, this guy is a lying liar who lies.

thats like saying anyone who went full renegade in mass effect or even swtor is a cold heartless ass who only thinks about getting the job done. when infact they could be playing renegade for the fact that they want to be someone they are not. hense the 'ROLE PLAYING" bit. Its a game. people can be whoever they want to be. Not everyone is a heartless bastard in EVE. one of my corpmates i met on there has become a great friend and we play other games as well. Yes eve is harsh. so what. Thats life. all of you who say that if you were there you would have stormed the stage and slugged him are full of it. you would have been sitting in the croud with the rest of them. laughing along with everyone else. and if you actually did feel that it was wrong you still wouldnt have done anything cuz that is just how society is. everyone takes the high road after the fact so that they feel like they're better than everyone else.


face facts. you arnt. nobody is a saint. at most you would do is probbaly what the one who started this whole blown up thing did. tell people. yeah. after its all over and it sinks in then you feel that it was horrible. but in that place. at that time. feeding off the engery. it was just another eve joke. a horrible one. but still. things like that arnt limited to only eve players. things like that happen all the time. everywhere. i dont see people raging over every threat, every harassment. Yet give it a public setting and it would blow out of proportion. i bet many of you people would say the exact same thing if it was WoW or LoL community that did it.

Real life isnt all sunshine and bronies. It is harsh. It is twisted. But it is still life. there is always good in it. Now maybe if people started acting on it instead of just stating things after the fact we might have a chance. but as it stands. those who dont act on it are just as bad as the ones who did the actions. Inaction is a choice as well. so all you good people start acting on your beliefs!

I for one. if i was there and drunk.. which sadly i couldnt attend and i dont drink. (blasphemous i know. eve = beer)... i probably would have enjoyed the entire pannel.. then i would have felt that that last joke was kinda wrong but then i would have gotten over it and been joygasming to the next eve trailer/dev pannel/ etc.


as the Great God Moder of the universe once said. "those without sin cast the first stone"

so.. whos going to be first?

but Serously people. its done. its over. he appologized, gave him compensation, and is considering resigning. probably "considering" because eve is torn right now. many people want him to stay and many want him to step down. and seeingas the elections barely finished its going to be complicated for a while.

Notice how you quote games where your actions don't affect other people?

If you grief people in starting areas for MMOs, I'd consider you a prick there too.

 

[Strazdas]

I never wanted him to get elected. however he was. and i want him to stay there. he has done nothing wrong that deserves resignation. yes, i did say he did nothing wrong.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

...roleplay as a villain...

He isn't roleplaying shit, he is a sociopathic **** and a bully, fortunatelly too busy playing EVE and masturbating furiosly to leave his basement to set fire to small animals in his backyard.

That's just naive supposition on your part.

... he could very well take 5 minute breaks every few hours to set fire to a small animal and you know it.

 

[cieply]

http://i.imgur.com/BR83Z.png

hmmmm...

Dunno if you know but 11 bil isk is... well... hell
Let me put it into context
transfered into PLEX it could get you 2 years of playing EvE
It could buy you a small fleet of your own
It's really a lot of cash and considering it's for a really bad player (because the harrased player is horrible at this game) it's not a bad deal.

Sure, the guy went over the line, and drinking before public speech in of itself is horrible but I don't see a big problem with it.

People seem to unaware how brutal EvE is. It's a trolling game, a true sandbox, one of the few left. Not to be rude, but being an ass is one of the most entertaining things that can happen. Sure, when I bought my first awsome (in my eyes) ship after a month of playing and I had it blown out casually by some group, I fealt really heartbroken and stopped playing EvE but hell, this is a charm of this game, and it gets tremendous amount of respect from me.

If you can't take it, don't play it. That's the bottom line.

 

[NortherWolf]

http://i.imgur.com/BR83Z.png

hmmmm...

Dunno if you know but 11 bil isk is... well... hell
Let me put it into context
transfered into PLEX it could get you 2 years of playing EvE
It could buy you a small fleet of your own
It's really a lot of cash and considering it's for a really bad player (because the harrased player is horrible at this game) it's not a bad deal.

Sure, the guy went over the line, and drinking before public speech in of itself is horrible but I don't see a big problem with it.

People seem to unaware how brutal EvE is. It's a trolling game, a true sandbox, one of the few left. Not to be rude, but being an ass is one of the most entertaining things that can happen. Sure, when I bought my first awsome (in my eyes) ship after a month of playing and I had it blown out casually by some group, I fealt really heartbroken and stopped playing EvE but hell, this is a charm of this game, and it gets tremendous amount of respect from me.

If you can't take it, don't play it. That's the bottom line.

I don't know if giving you a shovel is needed at this point.
But the polite thing would be to ask...So, shovel? I mean, honestly, with:

It's really a lot of cash and considering it's for a really bad player (because the harrased player is horrible at this game) it's not a bad deal.

you're really just cementing "EvE players aren't very nice."

 

[cieply]

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But I'm not even an eve player. I told you, I got my ass handed to me as I broke the nr1 rule of EVE "never buy a ship you cannot afford to lose".

I just want to put this into perspective, EvE isn't a land of friendship where this is something outrageous. EvE is corporate warfare, where you cannot feel safe at any time. You will get punished for mistakes, losing often days if not weeks of work and all you gonna get is a laugh in your face when they salvage your wreckege.

EvE allows you to play role of a pirate. And pirates are assholes. You should really just take it and learn and if you cannot then leave as this game is about freedom.

Just saying.

 

[Felix Moore]

If anyone is interested in a level-headed analysis of this crysis by someone who actually knows the subject, then you can read this blog post; http://jestertrek.blogspot.ca/2012/03/hats.html

Personally, I consider all of this a media flare. It will all die off in a week and people will no longer care.

What I find the most infuriating is the number of people who pretend to know what EVE is even if they haven't played more than a few hours. This is pathetic.