Eve Online good or bad?
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Without further ado I present to you the projected earnings sheet for just one of my ventures [http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/1001/spreadsheetqy6.jpg].TsunamiWombat said:
I have fifteen or so earning around equal amounts. All started with a helpful loan.
You are off by a long way. To get every skill to maximum level takes 27.5 years, give or take a couple months.hippieshopper said:
Probably, I was figuring from the older one before all the "expansions", if you can call them that. I haven't played it in a few years either and my basic point was there is a cap even if it is very far off.Theo Samaritan said:
Simple answer BAD.
I will give an example. A month ago I happened upon a different thread about EVE. The one about the mass corp incursion, the subversion, the corp theft, it all seemed very interesting, very cloak and dagger. A world.. no a galaxy full of potential choice. I was coming off one of my disillusioned phases with BF2, it's cheaters, it naff hit detection and was looking for something different.
I am no stranger to MMO. I played Tibia for two years and gave up when I finally realised that it was grind. kill, skill train, repeat.... FOREVER. That article about EVE made it seem like it was so different even ZPs review of the game didn't dent my decision to give it a go.
So I downloaded and in I went. WOW ZP was right this is totally unintuitive but I strode on and started to get my head round the whole complexity of this vast game. I had a look at the potential options within the game and came to a multi roll upgrade path and looked at what was going to be needed to get there. I eventually got stuck due to limitations on training skills imposed by only having a trial account but that didn't matter the game had gripped me enough I was actually enjoying the mining, missions and general playing with the market and the endless options for bits and pieces that could be stuck to a vast array of ships. So I went a head and decided to buy a 3 month subscription.
This allowed me to progress and train and gain my first biggish ship. The Badger. I would use this to set up a mining hauler using a few cargo containers and a quick mining ship to make cash quickly so I could get my Cruiser. In the midst of all this I happened upon a msg from a Corp member asking if I would like to join them. They were big, friendly and had a multi roll set up which seemed to suit me.
Once I joined them a war between some alliance and the one we were part of kicked off. Great PVP combat, a vast war between two alliances this is like the stuff I saw in the videos and read in that post. The corp supplied me with a Carcal and a bunch of equipment. This is when the first hint of grind kicked in when I saw that to pilot this fairly early spec ship I would need to train skills for at least nine days. No matter it will be worth it, I'll stick to mining, missions and train my skills till I can go own some ass. We would get corp msgs about watching our backs whilst mining, to get escorts because the bad guys would be hunting high sec looking for easy kills. This all seemed very interesting and exciting however...
It turned out that the Corp I had joined was based in a sector of space located over the other side of the galaxy and ALL the combat and events took place within a region of the game that was no where near me. Worse still it would all be over before I would even have the basic skills to use my new Carcal.
So things progressed I upgraded my Badger to a Badger Mk2, did a few missions got an Osprey continued to mine and then decided to get a battle cruiser, spec it up and move to 9uy to join my corp and get some decent PVP action. So I decided to get the cash together for my BC whilst I trained my skills, this would take about 4 days or so.
Round about this point is when the grind started to become more apparent. I noticed that I would spec my Badger Mk2 up set it to mine in a region of space and then go play Burnout Online whilst the badger did the mining. When I wasn't doing that I was doing missions which at first seemed fun but then I noticed that they began to repeat, at one point I had the same mission in three different sectors from three different agents.
So I finally got my first BC, a Ferox. I speced it up and found I needed to get some other stuff to complete the spec. A combat drone and some target training skills. I selected a station that was in 0.4 space and set off. Got to 0.4 and within 15 seconds got my ass handed to me by 6 asshats who had decided to camp and attack anyone who entered the sector. My first taste of PVP combat was with 6 guys who my corp wasn't even at war with and lasted 15 seconds.
Now this was interesting because at this point I saw how stupidly pointless this game was going to be. I had actually made a clone and insured the vessel so in real terms it cost me maybe a 1,000,000isk at the most but had I not done these two things I would effectively been right back were I had started a month ago.
At this point I knew this game was not for me. I had done the grind of MMO before and yes this was grind. A month to train one lvl 5 skill? Several months before you can train enough skill to gain access to a vessel that only slightly reduces the grind? Playing another game whilst letting this run in background? Grind away only for you to then get your ass handed to you by 6 people you've never met before and who's only determining skill is the fact that they have spent a longer length of time grinding than you have?
Yeah EVE is bad. I won't try and persuade anyone who does love the game that they have made a bad choice, each to their own but this is not the game for me. ZP is right the game is grind and it does look like it has the potential to become a second job you pay for.
At least one good thing has come of this I have regained my passion for BF2 and I remember just how good Burnout online can be.
I will give an example. A month ago I happened upon a different thread about EVE. The one about the mass corp incursion, the subversion, the corp theft, it all seemed very interesting, very cloak and dagger. A world.. no a galaxy full of potential choice. I was coming off one of my disillusioned phases with BF2, it's cheaters, it naff hit detection and was looking for something different.
I am no stranger to MMO. I played Tibia for two years and gave up when I finally realised that it was grind. kill, skill train, repeat.... FOREVER. That article about EVE made it seem like it was so different even ZPs review of the game didn't dent my decision to give it a go.
So I downloaded and in I went. WOW ZP was right this is totally unintuitive but I strode on and started to get my head round the whole complexity of this vast game. I had a look at the potential options within the game and came to a multi roll upgrade path and looked at what was going to be needed to get there. I eventually got stuck due to limitations on training skills imposed by only having a trial account but that didn't matter the game had gripped me enough I was actually enjoying the mining, missions and general playing with the market and the endless options for bits and pieces that could be stuck to a vast array of ships. So I went a head and decided to buy a 3 month subscription.
This allowed me to progress and train and gain my first biggish ship. The Badger. I would use this to set up a mining hauler using a few cargo containers and a quick mining ship to make cash quickly so I could get my Cruiser. In the midst of all this I happened upon a msg from a Corp member asking if I would like to join them. They were big, friendly and had a multi roll set up which seemed to suit me.
Once I joined them a war between some alliance and the one we were part of kicked off. Great PVP combat, a vast war between two alliances this is like the stuff I saw in the videos and read in that post. The corp supplied me with a Carcal and a bunch of equipment. This is when the first hint of grind kicked in when I saw that to pilot this fairly early spec ship I would need to train skills for at least nine days. No matter it will be worth it, I'll stick to mining, missions and train my skills till I can go own some ass. We would get corp msgs about watching our backs whilst mining, to get escorts because the bad guys would be hunting high sec looking for easy kills. This all seemed very interesting and exciting however...
It turned out that the Corp I had joined was based in a sector of space located over the other side of the galaxy and ALL the combat and events took place within a region of the game that was no where near me. Worse still it would all be over before I would even have the basic skills to use my new Carcal.
So things progressed I upgraded my Badger to a Badger Mk2, did a few missions got an Osprey continued to mine and then decided to get a battle cruiser, spec it up and move to 9uy to join my corp and get some decent PVP action. So I decided to get the cash together for my BC whilst I trained my skills, this would take about 4 days or so.
Round about this point is when the grind started to become more apparent. I noticed that I would spec my Badger Mk2 up set it to mine in a region of space and then go play Burnout Online whilst the badger did the mining. When I wasn't doing that I was doing missions which at first seemed fun but then I noticed that they began to repeat, at one point I had the same mission in three different sectors from three different agents.
So I finally got my first BC, a Ferox. I speced it up and found I needed to get some other stuff to complete the spec. A combat drone and some target training skills. I selected a station that was in 0.4 space and set off. Got to 0.4 and within 15 seconds got my ass handed to me by 6 asshats who had decided to camp and attack anyone who entered the sector. My first taste of PVP combat was with 6 guys who my corp wasn't even at war with and lasted 15 seconds.
Now this was interesting because at this point I saw how stupidly pointless this game was going to be. I had actually made a clone and insured the vessel so in real terms it cost me maybe a 1,000,000isk at the most but had I not done these two things I would effectively been right back were I had started a month ago.
At this point I knew this game was not for me. I had done the grind of MMO before and yes this was grind. A month to train one lvl 5 skill? Several months before you can train enough skill to gain access to a vessel that only slightly reduces the grind? Playing another game whilst letting this run in background? Grind away only for you to then get your ass handed to you by 6 people you've never met before and who's only determining skill is the fact that they have spent a longer length of time grinding than you have?
Yeah EVE is bad. I won't try and persuade anyone who does love the game that they have made a bad choice, each to their own but this is not the game for me. ZP is right the game is grind and it does look like it has the potential to become a second job you pay for.
At least one good thing has come of this I have regained my passion for BF2 and I remember just how good Burnout online can be.
Another thing added to the list that i should never do again in real life.Bulletinmybrain said:
You could say some of the same 'spacey' can get quite repatative and a large amount of similar looking stations and when you have docked alot of interiors can look the same depending on the area a few elements can make it seem rather bland and samey.