Eve Online good or bad?
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I don't play EVE, but do play a game an EVE-playing friend called "EVE light": Pardus, a Browser-based MMO (Pardus.at). I've watched WoW, and EVE, and I'm sticking with Pardus (which has the added advantage of being free by default).
There are three reasons for this:
1) The Grind. In WoW-Type games, you actually have to do something, and possibly have some fun at it, to get more powerful. However, WoW has the problem of only giving you EXP for combat: I can't become a legendary blacksmith except by fighting. Pardus does both: You get better at fighting by fighting, and better at other stuff by doing other stuff.
2) The Curve. There's too much to learn, you have to make some choices right at the beginning, and you can never undo a skill choice. In WoW at least you can undo skills, which I think is unrealistic, but at least it means you don't have to start over if you made a mistake. In Pardus, the early choices you have to make can be undone within the story (no magic redoes like in WoW), and the choices you can't undo are given to you later.
3) The Cost. EvE costs like $15/month (I don't know for sure, I haven't checked). WoW is at least as much. Pardus is $60/year of subscription, and you can play as long as you want without it, and not miss out on much. I subscribed after a year of playing, and mostly to get access to the third (subscriber only) universe.
Now, I'm not going to say Pardus is the perfect game. It's good, and given it's held my interest for approaching two years, when many games fall far short of that, I'm willing to say it's one of the better MMOs out there (at least for me).
There are three reasons for this:
1) The Grind. In WoW-Type games, you actually have to do something, and possibly have some fun at it, to get more powerful. However, WoW has the problem of only giving you EXP for combat: I can't become a legendary blacksmith except by fighting. Pardus does both: You get better at fighting by fighting, and better at other stuff by doing other stuff.
2) The Curve. There's too much to learn, you have to make some choices right at the beginning, and you can never undo a skill choice. In WoW at least you can undo skills, which I think is unrealistic, but at least it means you don't have to start over if you made a mistake. In Pardus, the early choices you have to make can be undone within the story (no magic redoes like in WoW), and the choices you can't undo are given to you later.
3) The Cost. EvE costs like $15/month (I don't know for sure, I haven't checked). WoW is at least as much. Pardus is $60/year of subscription, and you can play as long as you want without it, and not miss out on much. I subscribed after a year of playing, and mostly to get access to the third (subscriber only) universe.
Now, I'm not going to say Pardus is the perfect game. It's good, and given it's held my interest for approaching two years, when many games fall far short of that, I'm willing to say it's one of the better MMOs out there (at least for me).
I'm sorry, but within 4 weeks of joining my alliance I was a FC commanding over 300 sniper BS's about 160 caps and 2 titans, For that you don't actually even need in game skills. As for being popped by vets, sure it happens, but also depends on using your head. 0.0 traval with a BS and no scout is a recipe to be killed by these guys. On the other hand a well scouted BS is extremely hard to catch, unless HE makes a mistake.geldonyetich said:Pardon the editing earlier.
Fair enough, I often lose sight that the journey is the important thing.Robert0288 said:You wont be god at the begining, you wont be god at the end. But along the way you will meet a ton of great people, have fun flying and hopefully kill other people, and or build an empire along the way. If that is failing at a game, I really do want to know what winning is
I suppose if a player is happy enough to accept that their power base will never match that of a player whose been at it for longer than them, that's fine. We could always play as Star Trek-esque space captains who feel content to help out in their own small ways. Sure, we'll get popped like a bubble by bored veteran players, but we can pretend and have fun doing it.
Sorry, but once again your overzealousness to defend EVE Online has just served as an example of how problematic it is for a newbie.Robert0288 said:
So what if you've been granted a massive power base 4 weeks into joining a corp? You're a 4 1/2 year veteran of the game who has amassed incredible resources and reputation. Of course you'd be a guy people could trust with that - you're one of the least likely to rip them off, and one of the few knowledgeable enough about the game to coordinate a fleet.
There's a good chance that (despite your saying otherwise just now) your character's skill base paid a major factor into that decision too - you know as well as I do that there is a whole batch of Leadership skills and Corporation management skills. Frankly, if you were put in charge without those skills, that wouldn't speak highly of your alliance, as they'd be throwing away some pretty important mods.
Meanwhile, I'm still clawing my way up from the bottom with over a month of skill gain between me and a well tricked out mining barge. I'm not going to be allowed to lead any fleets near that large for years. I don't have the character skills to provide those mods, I don't have the resources to show I can manage those resources, I don't have the reputation with the players to be allowed the opportunity, and probably I don't have the experience to know what to do if I was.
Lets say I work for it over a couple years of real life time, I'm successful, and I gain all those things. Unfortunately, even then, there's a pretty good chance that I'd never get handed the keys to a Titan. This is because, thanks to veterans like you existing in the game before me, there will never be a power vacuum for somebody starting today to be allowed that chance even 2 years from now.
So yeah, thanks for posting that and rubbing all over my face an impossible goal. Hopefully it's a little clearer now why newbies getting into the game now have to settle for enjoying the journey.
I played it for a good six months, and for the most part I kind of enjoyed it, though it was often frustrating and repetetive, but I met a good bunch of people. The point at which which I left was when two of my better corp chums gave up on the game, the whole corp really fell apart that, as well as Eve failing to stay interesting.
I think of the experience as a mixed, though it absorbed a lot my time, I got to meet interesting people and play through all of it without paying a penny. First day in I met the most awesome corp mate ever, he liked the look of me so inducted me in to some sort of conspiritorial plan to get a large share of Eve, and payed for all my time card with his credits, so I was certainly not complaining, though the plan never came to fruition and I never had to do anything towards it.
I think of the experience as a mixed, though it absorbed a lot my time, I got to meet interesting people and play through all of it without paying a penny
. First day in I met the most awesome corp mate ever, he liked the look of me so inducted me in to some sort of conspiritorial plan to get a large share of Eve, and payed for all my time card with his credits, so I was certainly not complaining, though the plan never came to fruition and I never had to do anything towards it.
wow is all i can say. i feel compel to respond even tho i know you're going to claim i'm a fanboy and blah blah blahgeldonyetich said:
BUT...
ok, so in eve we have skillpoints. skillpoints (sp) determine what you can fly/do. sp accrue over time and stuff need sp, big stuff need big sp. in order to compete you need lots of sp. . . error. . . in order to compete you need a BRAIN! yes.
example - player A, a 5 year vet with 100m sp, flies a fully faction fitted plated battleship and attacks player B who just happens to be a month old nub with under 2m sp. Player B has player C, D, E, F G... (you get the point) to help him out and player B also is an EWAR spec. Player B jumps in a griffin w/ racial jammers, flies off to meet player A with his friends. Player A sees targets, salivates then cries as he realizes that he cant do a damn thing since he's jammed and players C,D,E,F,G are all killing him!
wow, whodatoughtit!!!! numbers > sp, spec > sp... wowwww
see the point? if you dont then uhm.. ya eve isnt for you so in the glorious hostility of the eve vets i can only leave you with a gb2w note (go back to wow).
btw, the example was true tho the battleship didnt die (and i dont have 100m sp)
I like what you tried to do here, but can you see how you failed to compel me to try to decipher it?n3w2nj said:
I guess a brainless wow-addict [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.81589#1091586] who is incapable of math like myself will never be a match for the infallible logic of you mighty spacemen of the future.
Right.
*slaps n3w2nj*
Stop causing a pissing contest. I've been around since Beta 2 and I don't need to come and defend this game like its my baby. Considering I'm now 19, I grew up with the damn thing.
Just accept that he has a differing view than you, and that said view is just as valid as yours.
*slaps n3w2nj*
Stop causing a pissing contest. I've been around since Beta 2 and I don't need to come and defend this game like its my baby. Considering I'm now 19, I grew up with the damn thing.
Just accept that he has a differing view than you, and that said view is just as valid as yours.
I could make some serious arguments against most of the statements made in this thread. Let me say this. Within one solitary week it is possible to compete against players who are im battlecruisers and cause them. some serious damage. I know this for a fact because I have done this myself. so those who say it is impossible to ever be equal to people playing longer than them is a tosser. Sure maybe not monetarily (for a while at least) but every ship has a use. even your tiny little frigate.
Tiny little frigates are insane, our corp uses 3-5 of them to gank battlecruisers.
Part of the problem with the argument is if your for it you get called a fanboy and those against seem to be so far away from it its pretty hard to have a reasonable argument. Which is acceptable, its a game trying something different thus some will like and others wont.
I will say this though, everyone needs to try the beta, by that I dont mean go in for 2 minuets and say you dont like it because its 'confusing'. Simple solution, pick caldari, pick solider, do the first 10 noob missions and you end up with a decent ship which you can stick with for quite a long time. From there join a corp and get help! In a week you can be in .4-.1 space having some fun easily
Part of the problem with the argument is if your for it you get called a fanboy and those against seem to be so far away from it its pretty hard to have a reasonable argument. Which is acceptable, its a game trying something different thus some will like and others wont.
I will say this though, everyone needs to try the beta, by that I dont mean go in for 2 minuets and say you dont like it because its 'confusing'. Simple solution, pick caldari, pick solider, do the first 10 noob missions and you end up with a decent ship which you can stick with for quite a long time. From there join a corp and get help! In a week you can be in .4-.1 space having some fun easily
Heh brilliant reply also I agree with Geldonyetich with the fact that you just can't compete with any of the players that have been playing for the best part of a life sentence and all the 'top' corps all have their own business and all of that is pretty much off limits to most of the gaming population now as they have all found their own clicks and niches.Copter400 said:
you're right. pissing contests are never fun but his defeatist "i'll never catch up to a vet therefore the game is crap" attitude is to say the least annoying. i've played the game since alpha and i've been through its ups and downs (lots of downs mind you). i guess that marks me as a vet (employment history dates 5 years 1 month) yet i can easily fall victim to 2008 players so its not true that you'll never catch up to the vets because in eve, there is no catch up beyond a certain point.Theo Samaritan said:
but you're right - enough with the pissing contests. if he doesnt like it then oh well but to sprout crap like its god's words because you hear it all over the place doesnt make it true.
to anyone looking to try eve, do the 2 week trial and actually play it fully.
I'm sceptical about this for two reasons. Firstly alpha was so closed you had to be shagging a CCP employee (exaggeration), or an actual member of the team CCP had to begin with (which originally consisted of freelancers to do the first coding/testing) to get entrance into it.n3w2nj said:
Secondly, I was in beta 2 and my employment history is closer to 6 years (5 years + a high number of months, I gave up caring after a while so I'd have to check to get definite).
Not denying that you have played it for a while, but Alpha is pushing it.
