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I have played the trial 4 times and it's better everytime. I was lucky to be a part of a war too and let me tell you this: When you're part of a battle with 100-200 players(I know it can me MUCH more, but I was in a battle this "big") You will jizz in your pants
Well, at least I did
I have played the trial 4 times and it's better everytime. I was lucky to be a part of a war too and let me tell you this: When you're part of a battle with 100-200 players(I know it can me MUCH more, but I was in a battle this "big") You will jizz in your pants
Well, at least I did
The largest battle I was around to witness had about 300 vs about 400 people. But I wasn't part of it (they were two power blocs I had no affiliation with), I was just nosing around in a covert ops ship, observing from the protection of stealth from a distance.
One of the good things about eve is the fact that bad stuff can happen. Take counter strike or tf2 or generic fps 257, death is a brief pause while you respawn. Same is true of WoW and most other MMO. In eve death is "nooooooo! my precious ship!" gives PVP a bit more purpose to me. Also...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlZ0EcsneSg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlZ0EcsneSg
Why I like EVE?
Sheer potential, strength of roleplay environment, and gameplay. The game is still only about 1/2-2/3 complete, according to the developers - and that's only including features implemented, not content still to be expanded upon. It is, as they've said, intended to eventually be as complete a science fiction simulator as possible (which might in a way be a better term for it than MMORPG, by a small margin).
As for the roleplay environment? Well.. for one thing everyone roleplays. Everyone. Because of the way the game and its setting work, you can't actually not be roleplaying unless you explicitly reference real-world events. Of course, there are proper roleplayers, too, and proper roleplay is all the better within that 'naturally-roleplaying' frame.
As for gameplay? Well, I'm a dabbler. But primarily speaking I fly exploration. The sense of atmosphere, the sneaking about other people's space always watching for someone ready to jump you .. and that's before wormhole space.
Atop all that is the simple fact that absolutely everything you do and achieve in EVe is naturally more inherently valid than in any other MMO. The potential to effectively lose everything (however difficult that may be) only increases the value of everything you do and achieve.
Sheer potential, strength of roleplay environment, and gameplay. The game is still only about 1/2-2/3 complete, according to the developers - and that's only including features implemented, not content still to be expanded upon. It is, as they've said, intended to eventually be as complete a science fiction simulator as possible (which might in a way be a better term for it than MMORPG, by a small margin).
As for the roleplay environment? Well.. for one thing everyone roleplays. Everyone. Because of the way the game and its setting work, you can't actually not be roleplaying unless you explicitly reference real-world events. Of course, there are proper roleplayers, too, and proper roleplay is all the better within that 'naturally-roleplaying' frame.
As for gameplay? Well, I'm a dabbler. But primarily speaking I fly exploration. The sense of atmosphere, the sneaking about other people's space always watching for someone ready to jump you .. and that's before wormhole space.
Atop all that is the simple fact that absolutely everything you do and achieve in EVe is naturally more inherently valid than in any other MMO. The potential to effectively lose everything (however difficult that may be) only increases the value of everything you do and achieve.
Picosaurus said:Understatement of the centuryNotSoNimble said:to learn how to play this game properly alone will take you more time than to get to lvl 30 in WoW. xD
I think this is an appropriate representation.
Ninja'd dammit!BiscuitTrouser said:This picture says it better than i can.Picosaurus said:Understatement of the centuryNotSoNimble said:
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Im the little stickman impaled on the spikes. I couldnt handle the effort needed simply to play the game. Its so complex.... soo complex "whimper"
It's an MMO, not the second coming of Christ as some might have you believe.
It has some amazing, almost overwhelmingly in depth character customization, which is something I love, unfortunately all of the customizations seemed to more or less boil down to giving you a billion different ways to accomplish the same two things, mining for ore or blowing up renegade ships.
If you're the type of person who likes to micromanage every little aspect of your character and their lives then you might enjoy EVE, otherwise I honestly couldn't recommend it.
It has some amazing, almost overwhelmingly in depth character customization, which is something I love, unfortunately all of the customizations seemed to more or less boil down to giving you a billion different ways to accomplish the same two things, mining for ore or blowing up renegade ships.
If you're the type of person who likes to micromanage every little aspect of your character and their lives then you might enjoy EVE, otherwise I honestly couldn't recommend it.
It depends on what you want out of your MMO. If you want to have a real economic impact on new realistic universe and are ready to join a corporation full time then EVE might just be your game.
I think EVE is great but I don't play it. I like dungeon-crawling which is lacking in EVE.
I think EVE is great but I don't play it. I like dungeon-crawling which is lacking in EVE.
I've mentioned this a few times on The Escapist, but Yahtzee is NOT a reviewer. He just makes (increasingly less and less) funny comments on games with stickfigures. You used to laugh my ass off with the early ones, but even then you realise it's not really a review.Tibike77 said:
Eve is a very great game to play. But it's very unforgiving in some ways. Though you don't have to grind for your characters experience points, to get a sence of things in the game is a whole different story. The balance in things is quite fair. The fact that you have a big mean ship, doesn't have to count for anything if someone else flies a smaller and faster ship because the weapons of the bigger ship can't easily track it, for example.
I play it for a few years now but not that often, so there is still lots to learn for me if I wanted to put more time in it.
As mentioned before, the review of Yathzee hits the nail on the head on some things.
And yes, some people take it too seriously, and that might be one of the reasons I don't.
I play it for a few years now but not that often, so there is still lots to learn for me if I wanted to put more time in it.
As mentioned before, the review of Yathzee hits the nail on the head on some things.
And yes, some people take it too seriously, and that might be one of the reasons I don't.
Okay the thing you can do after a good month or two of playing(and I mean like really playing the game full on playing the game). you can go around with groups of friends killing other players then loot their ships and have a laugh while doing it, you can get a battleship(your sort of average player but you will spend a lot of time in battleships) or an advanced cruiser(things like strategic cruisers which cost a little more but are better), you can be in some massive alliance and have 50 v 50 ship wars which are EPIC and you could be an industrial player who mines and then sells the ore to make money and but some cool ships.
Those are a few of the things you can do, the game does have a grind to it but not a huge grind. The game is fun with a group of friends, some of the downsides is that you cant leave your ship, skills train in real time(you dont have to keep the game open for skills to train which is good) and you can only really have one charcter per account because you cant sperate the skills you train per charcter all your charcters skills train in an certian order.
You can always play the trial which lasts for 14 days and yes you should play the tutorial, if you want help apply to join the corp High Orbit(Were just a group of players which dont take the game to seriously and dont be afraid to ask for help. and say Doraleous sent you.(im Doraleous BTW)
I hope this helps you make up your mind on playing EVE: online.
Those are a few of the things you can do, the game does have a grind to it but not a huge grind. The game is fun with a group of friends, some of the downsides is that you cant leave your ship, skills train in real time(you dont have to keep the game open for skills to train which is good) and you can only really have one charcter per account because you cant sperate the skills you train per charcter all your charcters skills train in an certian order.
You can always play the trial which lasts for 14 days and yes you should play the tutorial, if you want help apply to join the corp High Orbit(Were just a group of players which dont take the game to seriously and dont be afraid to ask for help. and say Doraleous sent you.(im Doraleous BTW)
I hope this helps you make up your mind on playing EVE: online.
Eve Online: like a second job you are paying for
I tried, i failed, but i am still impressed by the possibilities. its a little too much for my taste from the beginning. if you would start out a little bit like on "privateer" complexity level and if it would get more and more over time i would probably love it, but i dont have the time to get into so much economy tech etc. to get a good first start.
I tried, i failed, but i am still impressed by the possibilities. its a little too much for my taste from the beginning. if you would start out a little bit like on "privateer" complexity level and if it would get more and more over time i would probably love it, but i dont have the time to get into so much economy tech etc. to get a good first start.
Been playing off and on since early 2005.
Its the only game that can give me adrenaline rushes so bad after a long fight I would have to log off after being left there sweating and literally shaking in my chair. When you are flying a battleship with faction fittings that took you a month to earn and you are caught solo in deep space against 5 other people.... the fight is a slug fest that lasts 15 minutes - your running low on ammo and you have been bouncing down to half your hull - fire is coming out your expensive ass ship...You want to run but that damn frigate has your ass locked down. Your praying your drones take it out before you die just for a chance to bug out.
You are in a holding pattern in orbit around a moon in a distant system with 50 other battleships. Around another moon is some 10 carriers/motherships - 100s of cruisers and frigates in system as well. You have voice chat running. The lead scout in a cloaked frigate is in the next system over. You hear him call out over voice - "I have 20 ships jumping in now". The fleet commander orders the cruisers and frigs to jump in. 10 minutes later you hear combat going on - The FC calls in the battleship fleet. You and the 50 other battleships all warp in as one into the thick of combat. 1000s of drones - hundreds of players are in the fray. You lock on to the lead battleship called out by the FC - you let loose your large beam lasers from your Apocalypse battleship from over 120k away. Then you hear it - Someone screams over vent - "Its a trap! We are so fucked! Second battleship fleet - carriers - MY GOD! A TITAN!" - The FC calls for the fleet to pull out but its to late. You see over 75 Battleships led by a titan warp into the fight. You think of running - then the titan lets loose its doomsday weapon.
EvE Online is much like being in the military in real life. You spend 95% of the time managing your small empire. Mining rocks - doing missions for in game money called isk. The other 5% is spent in sheer terror fighting for your life. No other game for me holds the amount of on the edge of your seat combat that is seen in EvE Online. I know I put up with the 95% to get to the 5%. The 5% makes it all worth it in every way
Its the only game that can give me adrenaline rushes so bad after a long fight I would have to log off after being left there sweating and literally shaking in my chair. When you are flying a battleship with faction fittings that took you a month to earn and you are caught solo in deep space against 5 other people.... the fight is a slug fest that lasts 15 minutes - your running low on ammo and you have been bouncing down to half your hull - fire is coming out your expensive ass ship...You want to run but that damn frigate has your ass locked down. Your praying your drones take it out before you die just for a chance to bug out.
You are in a holding pattern in orbit around a moon in a distant system with 50 other battleships. Around another moon is some 10 carriers/motherships - 100s of cruisers and frigates in system as well. You have voice chat running. The lead scout in a cloaked frigate is in the next system over. You hear him call out over voice - "I have 20 ships jumping in now". The fleet commander orders the cruisers and frigs to jump in. 10 minutes later you hear combat going on - The FC calls in the battleship fleet. You and the 50 other battleships all warp in as one into the thick of combat. 1000s of drones - hundreds of players are in the fray. You lock on to the lead battleship called out by the FC - you let loose your large beam lasers from your Apocalypse battleship from over 120k away. Then you hear it - Someone screams over vent - "Its a trap! We are so fucked! Second battleship fleet - carriers - MY GOD! A TITAN!" - The FC calls for the fleet to pull out but its to late. You see over 75 Battleships led by a titan warp into the fight. You think of running - then the titan lets loose its doomsday weapon.
EvE Online is much like being in the military in real life. You spend 95% of the time managing your small empire. Mining rocks - doing missions for in game money called isk. The other 5% is spent in sheer terror fighting for your life. No other game for me holds the amount of on the edge of your seat combat that is seen in EvE Online. I know I put up with the 95% to get to the 5%. The 5% makes it all worth it in every way
Eve is kinda a strange game. If you're thinking of getting into it then be warned that it's going to take a couple of months (yes, real life months) to get enough skillpoints to do anything significant. There's also a 'lot' of stuff to learn about ships, fittings, isk and the horrible interface.
PvP in Eve gives an adrenaline rush like no other game. Unfortunately it usually takes a couple of hours of play to get a proper fight happening, since a lot of Eve players are incredibly risk averse. I know the fleet battles look cool but you have to remember that it probably took hours for it to build up. You really do have to ask whether two hours of boredom is worth five minutes of really intense excitement, or whether you'd rather just have regular fun all the time whilst playing something else. If you get a sense of enjoyment out of ganks and griefing then I imagine that helps immensely (yes, I mean that seriously).
There is a grind in Eve. Don't let people tell you otherwise. Most people have to grind in some way to make isk, and of all the games I've ever played Eve has to have the most mind numbingly tedious PvE content ever invented. Mining I think must be a kind of torture.
Eve is really not very friendly to someone wanting to play casually, and I really wouldn't recommend it if you have a job and/or family. Personally I wanted to like the game but the sheer effort required to get a proper fight was ridiculous. So I ended up unsubscribing and picking up Starcraft 2 where I can just press a button and get straight into the action.
PvP in Eve gives an adrenaline rush like no other game. Unfortunately it usually takes a couple of hours of play to get a proper fight happening, since a lot of Eve players are incredibly risk averse. I know the fleet battles look cool but you have to remember that it probably took hours for it to build up. You really do have to ask whether two hours of boredom is worth five minutes of really intense excitement, or whether you'd rather just have regular fun all the time whilst playing something else. If you get a sense of enjoyment out of ganks and griefing then I imagine that helps immensely (yes, I mean that seriously).
There is a grind in Eve. Don't let people tell you otherwise. Most people have to grind in some way to make isk, and of all the games I've ever played Eve has to have the most mind numbingly tedious PvE content ever invented. Mining I think must be a kind of torture.
Eve is really not very friendly to someone wanting to play casually, and I really wouldn't recommend it if you have a job and/or family. Personally I wanted to like the game but the sheer effort required to get a proper fight was ridiculous. So I ended up unsubscribing and picking up Starcraft 2 where I can just press a button and get straight into the action.
*sigh* not YOU TOO. It wasn't a link to his review, it was a link to my own post on page 23 of the discussion thread. Just two posts below what you quoted is not only this exact explanation I just gave, but also a full quote of the post in question so you don't have to actually go to the link to see it, then a lot of extra commenting. Go back and read it, it's pointless to repost it now on page two when it's right there on page 1 of this thread.Dodgy said:
There you go, added edit/warning to post you quoted to make sure a third person doesn't make the same mistake.
TL;DR version : some EVE players decided that the game is way too harsh for newbies especially without a manual, so they decided to make one which could actually pass for a genuine game manual. And they did. You can download it for free (current version 2.01, a 66 MB PDF, 416 full color pages), info on their site : http://www.isktheguide.com
Diddy_Mao said:
Well, if you wait until the "Incarna" expansion (date still not 100% certain, probably spring/summer of 2011, hopefully), you should find that specific set of complaints somewhat alleviated.Danzaivar said:
And then, there's the console shooter tie-in, former codename "DUST 514", taking place in the same sole persistent universe, but on the planets (pilots from EVE hire mercenaries from DUST to help take over planetary bases, or just blow'em up, etc)... which is scheduled for release Soon? (again, no idea when, hopefully 2011 too).
