Ever wish the bad guy would win just to see what would happen?
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If the fandom's any indication lots of folks speculate on what would happen in the event that Voldemort ever successfully killed Harry Potter.
While most of the Star Wars Sith baddies make it painfully obvious what they're planning to do after winning- and heck, the Original Trilogy's 'verse is the eventual result of Palpatine winning 20 years ago- some of the more sympathetic ones like Thrawn or Count Dooku raise some interesting scenarios.
While most of the Star Wars Sith baddies make it painfully obvious what they're planning to do after winning- and heck, the Original Trilogy's 'verse is the eventual result of Palpatine winning 20 years ago- some of the more sympathetic ones like Thrawn or Count Dooku raise some interesting scenarios.
Sometimes I want to see a realistic idea of what the Germans would have done if they were more successful in World War II and somehow repelled the Allies on all three fronts. Just because, everyone says that "HITLER WOULD HAVE WASHED THE WORLD OVER WITH NAZISM" and it just seems like too much of a gut reaction. I get the feeling that the Germany wasn't going to be having this for very long, and only the crazy SS and the Nazis themselves wanted to keep everything going, I don't think they could have kept control, though. I think Hitler would have been assassinated eventually, and something else would have come out of it- a much more different Europe, no doubt, but I don't think it would have been the Doomsday Cobra Commander kind of world domination scenario everyone says it would have been.
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That and in Mass Effect I kind of want to see the Reapers kill/harvest the Galaxy- just because the Lovecraft fan in me is kind of terrified of the idea but secretly wants to see it unfold.
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That and in Mass Effect I kind of want to see the Reapers kill/harvest the Galaxy- just because the Lovecraft fan in me is kind of terrified of the idea but secretly wants to see it unfold.
Pixar's making a movie about that. At least, I think it's pixar. And now I can't remember what it's called.
It's fun when bad guys win, but I like it more when the lines between "good" and "bad" are blurred and you start to wonder who the protagonist really is, Blade Runner style.
It's fun when bad guys win, but I like it more when the lines between "good" and "bad" are blurred and you start to wonder who the protagonist really is, Blade Runner style.
The strength of that work for me is that no idea where's it's going. Balance shifts constantly, factions change, alliances struck, and so much depth around that world. It feels truly alive in its history and political nature.Johnnyallstar said:
Cersei comes off as a villain, but we learn how much she is the product of her father, upbringing, failed expectations and marriage. We may not like her, but she is shown as more than simply a "bad person". Of course her fate shifts as she gains and loses so much.
Now, where's my Dance with Dragons Martin?!?
I'd love to see the Helghast win. Reading the history of the conflict, it really blurs the lines as to who is right and who is wrong.
That and fuckin Rico.
That and fuckin Rico.
I've already written the ending to the Inheritance cycle inside my mind, and it's canon, regardless of what Paolini actually writes. In it, the good bad guy kills the bad good lady and the worse good guy gets killed by the blind good bad guy; and the worse good guy's cousin defects to the good bad guy's side and the bad good elf gets shot and the good bad mindraped guy becomes the president.
Trust me, it's a lot better in context.
Trust me, it's a lot better in context.
I would actually like to see a story with the "villian" coming out on top. And I don't mean in the sequel the hero will come back and beat him this time. I mean the villian wins, end of story.
I say "villian" because I wouldn't mind following a story where the "bad" guy is only questionably bad. Perhaps he's just as bad as the hero. You know something to make you think a little bit. Of course I wouldn't mind a totally evil villian coming out on top as well. I'd just like in more if the "villian" ends up not being all that villianous, well intentioned extremist style.
I say "villian" because I wouldn't mind following a story where the "bad" guy is only questionably bad. Perhaps he's just as bad as the hero. You know something to make you think a little bit. Of course I wouldn't mind a totally evil villian coming out on top as well. I'd just like in more if the "villian" ends up not being all that villianous, well intentioned extremist style.
In Law Abiding Citizen I was hoping Gerard Butler would win.To me his idea to remove criminals and corrupt officials was really good and I thought he was really the good guy of the movie.
Didn't they already? Just kiddingshotgunbob said:
. I honestly Don't really want the bad guys to win most of the time, unless it is a big plot twist and the "bad guys" arren't really the bad ones.
You know, about half-way through Final Fantasy VI, the bad guy does basically win. What happens: he becomes god and causes the Apocalypse, builds a giant trash tower, and smites several people from his trash throne. DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A GOOD TIME TO YOU? It does? Well okay then. If you were to fail... again, I think everything would have pretty much stayed the same.
As for a "bad guy" I would have liked to win, even if only it was a delay to his defeat, would be Boba Fett.
As for a "bad guy" I would have liked to win, even if only it was a delay to his defeat, would be Boba Fett.
From what little I managed to wrap my head around there, you want Murtagh to dick on everything? I completely agree. Far more interesting character than anyone else there, and of ambiguous morality, too.HT_Black said:
Hannibal Lecter. I don't know about the films, but he definitely wins in the books. And it's awesome
Another example, but one that requires no spoilering, I feel - V for Vendetta. Terrorist vs. overly constrictive government - whoever wins, it could be argued that they're the bad guy. But V is an unabashedly villainous character. He kills many people, destroys much property, and tears apart Evey Hammond's life to take down the government; his motives originally consisting almost entirely of revenge. Yes, he's a relatable character. Yes, he's easily seen as the hero. Yes, I liked the film, the comic, and the character itself, but I would not argue that he's a 'good guy' (note: this is not synonymous with hero, nor should it be treated as such)
I am unfortunately opposed to watching anime. Don't ask me why, because I can't explain.Bek359 said:
1400 pages and counting. I agree, but it's the way he does it that makes it so phenomenal. When you first meet characters, they are presented in a certain light, and that is how the chapter's protagonist them views that individual.CK76 said:
The majority of the Lannisters (except Tyrion) are initially viewed as nothing but ruthless cutthroats, but as you go from their views you see that they are real, broken individuals as well, and there's more to them than meets the eye. They have such a full character, that even Cercei becomes understandable in her own evil bitchy way.
Only a few characters actually are really horribly one sided, like Gregor the Mountain, or the Goat, or Viserys. Usually these people are incredibly damaged psychologically, and very minor characters.
