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[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

What?!?! PS2 was a glorified DVD?! Sure the DVD function helped Sony get more systems into more households, but that means nothing when looking at the game library. The PS2 is remembered fondly because of its game library, not that it played DVDs.

well of course videogame lovers praise the PS2 for the great games that Sony put out on it. casuals don't go on forums and post about games like we do.

PS2 was the Wii of it's generation though in that the main reason heaps of people even picked it up in the first place was because it was a 2 in 1 system in that it was both the newest Playstation videogame system. and it gave parents and casuals a really cheap dvd player to put under their telly.

It wasn't just Sony putting games on the PS2, lots of 3rd-party games were only on PS2 as well. Then, you had games like NFS:Hot Pursuit 2 that was better on PS2 by quite a decent margin, it was even better than the PC version. If you were a gamer, you had to have a PS2. Whereas, you didn't need a Wii for anything more than a rather small handful of games.

 

[Yoshi178]

PS2 may have had shovelware in amounts equal to the Wii, but its % of good games to the amount of shovelware was not the same. Nor was the reason behind the shovelware. None of them were cheaply produced games chasing the sales of gimmicky controls. Many unknown games were gems on the PS2. They were mostly low budget games but some of them were fantastic. I looked for hidden gems in the Wii catalogue and found nothing but a neat archery mini-game out of my whole attempt.

this something VERY debatable so unless we want this to go on for awhile longer we should probs stop now.

 

[Yoshi178]

What?!?! PS2 was a glorified DVD?! Sure the DVD function helped Sony get more systems into more households, but that means nothing when looking at the game library. The PS2 is remembered fondly because of its game library, not that it played DVDs.

well of course videogame lovers praise the PS2 for the great games that Sony put out on it. casuals don't go on forums and post about games like we do.

PS2 was the Wii of it's generation though in that the main reason heaps of people even picked it up in the first place was because it was a 2 in 1 system in that it was both the newest Playstation videogame system. and it gave parents and casuals a really cheap dvd player to put under their telly.

It wasn't just Sony putting games on the PS2, lots of 3rd-party games were only on PS2 as well. Then, you had games like NFS:Hot Pursuit 2 that was better on PS2 by quite a decent margin, it was even better than the PC version. If you were a gamer, you had to have a PS2. Whereas, you didn't need a Wii for anything more than a rather small handful of games.

i can name a bunch of Wii exclusive games that were made by third parties and were highly regarded.

things like No More Heroes, Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure, Tatsunoku vs Capcom, Madworld, Red Steel 2, Sonic Colors.

 

[Here Comes Tomorrow]

Highly regarded...Sonic Colors.

Opinion invalidated.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

What?!?! PS2 was a glorified DVD?! Sure the DVD function helped Sony get more systems into more households, but that means nothing when looking at the game library. The PS2 is remembered fondly because of its game library, not that it played DVDs.

well of course videogame lovers praise the PS2 for the great games that Sony put out on it. casuals don't go on forums and post about games like we do.

PS2 was the Wii of it's generation though in that the main reason heaps of people even picked it up in the first place was because it was a 2 in 1 system in that it was both the newest Playstation videogame system. and it gave parents and casuals a really cheap dvd player to put under their telly.

It wasn't just Sony putting games on the PS2, lots of 3rd-party games were only on PS2 as well. Then, you had games like NFS:Hot Pursuit 2 that was better on PS2 by quite a decent margin, it was even better than the PC version. If you were a gamer, you had to have a PS2. Whereas, you didn't need a Wii for anything more than a rather small handful of games.

i can name a bunch of Wii exclusive games that were made by third parties and were highly regarded.

things like No More Heroes, Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure, Tatsunoku vs Capcom, Madworld, Red Steel 2, Sonic Colors.

The problem with the Wii and every Nintendo console since then is that just about every game on a Nintendo system is an exclusive because of Nintendo using outdated hardware. A developer is either making a game that releases on the "regular" platforms or they're making a game solely for the Nintendo console. Just about every major game releases on PS4,X1,PC; not Wii U or now Switch. What if I wanna play the new Mass Effect or the new Prey (which I can't wait to play) or even freaking Madden? I can't on a Nintendo console. Nintendo consoles are secondary game systems. The PS2 had so much of the market share that publishers/devs didn't care about the other systems. If a game just released on PS2, they were barely losing out on any sales. The PS2 era was the last gen of dominant consoles. Starting with PS3/360 gen, there is no NES, SNES, PS1, PS2 dominance anymore.

 

[Yoshi178]

Highly regarded...Sonic Colors.

Opinion invalidated.

i've never really played a Sonic game before. at least not properly or to full length. but from what i keep hearing, alot of people i've met through forums and such really enjoyed Sonic Colors saying it's probably the best Sonic game Segas put out in years.

the game also has a 78 average score on metacritic. it's not an amazing breath of the wild type of score but it's still a pretty decent score.

 

[Yoshi178]

What?!?! PS2 was a glorified DVD?! Sure the DVD function helped Sony get more systems into more households, but that means nothing when looking at the game library. The PS2 is remembered fondly because of its game library, not that it played DVDs.

well of course videogame lovers praise the PS2 for the great games that Sony put out on it. casuals don't go on forums and post about games like we do.

PS2 was the Wii of it's generation though in that the main reason heaps of people even picked it up in the first place was because it was a 2 in 1 system in that it was both the newest Playstation videogame system. and it gave parents and casuals a really cheap dvd player to put under their telly.

It wasn't just Sony putting games on the PS2, lots of 3rd-party games were only on PS2 as well. Then, you had games like NFS:Hot Pursuit 2 that was better on PS2 by quite a decent margin, it was even better than the PC version. If you were a gamer, you had to have a PS2. Whereas, you didn't need a Wii for anything more than a rather small handful of games.

i can name a bunch of Wii exclusive games that were made by third parties and were highly regarded.

things like No More Heroes, Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure, Tatsunoku vs Capcom, Madworld, Red Steel 2, Sonic Colors.

The problem with the Wii and every Nintendo console since then is that just about every game on a Nintendo system is an exclusive because of Nintendo using outdated hardware. A developer is either making a game that releases on the "regular" platforms or they're making a game solely for the Nintendo console. Just about every major game releases on PS4,X1,PC; not Wii U or now Switch. What if I wanna play the new Mass Effect or the new Prey (which I can't wait to play) or even freaking Madden? I can't on a Nintendo console. Nintendo consoles are secondary game systems. The PS2 had so much of the market share that publishers/devs didn't care about the other systems. If a game just released on PS2, they were barely losing out on any sales. The PS2 era was the last gen of dominant consoles. Starting with PS3/360 gen, there is no NES, SNES, PS1, PS2 dominance anymore.

not being able to play stuff like overwatch or final fantasy XV sucks for people with only one console yes.

this totally subjective i know, but personally i really couldn't give less of a shit if i can't play the latest COD, Madden, FIFA. lol. i own an Xbox One as well as a Switch and a Wii U but even on Xbox one i would never go near that type of trash lol. that's just my opinion on those particular sort of 3rd party games though. i can't speak for everyone there.



exclusives may not be good from a buyers perspective "awww but i don't want to buy more than 1 console. just let me play everything on my one device you stupid companies."
exclusives are fantastic on a hardware developers side though because it actually gives people a reason to go and pick up the console. and the more awesome exclusives they have that they can't get anywhere else. the more people will want to play that system.

example. remember the shit storm that Bayonetta 2 caused? that was absolutely glorious when it happened. lol



the Whole reason i even 2 consoles in the first place is because i don't need or want my Switch to be just like my Xbox One. if all they got were the exact same games then what's the fucking point of me owning my Xbox One in the first place? there isn't one.

and that's exactly why i don't own a PS4. because 90% or so it's library is exactly the same as the Xbox Ones. and the few exclusives the PS4 does have, i really don't care about.

i played Uncharted 2 at my cousins house for example. story seemed very predictable and the gameplay very linear, boring and repetitive. i couldn't give less of a shit about the exclusives like that and Last of PS4 has.
i played halo and i love halo (well used to love halo it's been shit ever since bungie stopped making them and 343 took over). so because of that i have 2 consoles that both have all the exact same shit except the PS4 has a few exclusives and all of i really could not give a shit about. Xbox has halo and all those 3rd party games that are on both consoles. so naturally i just bought the xbox one and never a PS4

 

[CritialGaming]

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Wait what? Final Fantasy XV and Overwatch are on both Xbone and PS4. What's the argument here?

As for Bayonetta 2...That game would never have even happened if Nintendo hadn't paid to have the game made. That's why it was exclusive to the Wii U. Because either game was to be Wii U exclusive, or not exist at all.

Also you are completely wrong about game exclusives being good for hardware folks. Exclusives are better for game developers. Because they no longer have to try and get their game code to work on different opperating systems with different levels of power. It allows for a much smoother product, because development isn't split between different versions. Which is why you tend to see games that are exclusive will tend to be fair less buggy, and have better overall performance on their chosen machine.

For example Final Fantasy XV, ran much smoother on Xbone than it did on PS4. Smoother and steadier frame rate, faster loading times, generally better performance. However Bloodborne, a PS4 exclusive, runs damn near flawlessly on PS4. Why? Because From Software was able to pour all their development time into a single version of the product. Which yields a better product overall. Because looking back at Final Fantasy XV, while is does run better on Xbone, it doesn't run great on that either. Multiple versions of the game cause sacrifices in development. Now a PS4Pro patch has made Final Fantasy XV run better on PRO consoles than Xbone's original release so there is that now too.

Look let's tied up this entire debate right now.

Exclusives are a good thing. Because they create competition in the market, and you need competition to have a successful market. Sony and Microsoft need to compete with each other, to try and 1-up each other in order to drive themselves to making the best possible products for us consumers. They create bigger and better consoles, with bigger and better exclusives to try and swing the consumer base on way or the other. The end result is that we, the people, get better games overall.

Third party games don't matter because they will release on everything. The true competition is in these Exclusives like Horizon, Gears of War, Halo, Uncharted, Last of Us, etc. Because it is these titles that usually stand out as the great pillars of console gaming.

However....Microsoft is completely fucking their shit up. I don't know what they were thinking when they decides to offer their exclusive Xbox games on PC, but they utterly destroyed any reason to ever have an Xbox One console. Considering that the PC ports of the games run better than they do on the console.

Sony at least has dedicated exclusives, and also has any third party console games you could want from either system. So PS4 is the clear winner this generation.

Nintendo also doesn't count, because they are doing completely different things. With the Wii U officially dead, and the Switch basically a mobile machine, they are in more competition with Android and Iphone than they are with Microsoft and Sony. So I wouldn't even count them in this discussion.

 

[Yoshi178]

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Wait what? Final Fantasy XV and Overwatch are on both Xbone and PS4. What's the argument here?

i was reffering to people that only bought themeselves a Wii U and/or Switch and if that's the only console they have then yes it sucks they can't play XV and Overwatch on it. (if those sorts of people even exist that is?)

Nintendo also doesn't count, because they are doing completely different things. With the Wii U officially dead, and the Switch basically a mobile machine, they are in more competition with Android and Iphone than they are with Microsoft and Sony. So I wouldn't even count them in this discussion.

Zelda BOTW & Mario Odyssey? or Angry Birds & Pokemon GO?

hmmmmmmm gotta have a REEEEAAAALLL hard think about which games i'd rather be playing there.

 

[CritialGaming]

Zelda & Mario Odyssey? or Angry Birds & Pokemon GO?

hmmmmmmm gotta have a REEEEAAAALLL hard think about which games i'd rather be playing there.

To you yes. But you don't understand how big the cell phone gaming market actually is. And how it impacts things like the DS and probably the switch too. Everyone almost always has a phone on them, no matter what. It isn't even an effort for most people now. If you go somewhere, you are 99% likely to be taking your cell phone with you.

But it takes quite a bit more effort and thought to bring your DS or now your Switch (especially with battery life issues) with you.

And before you make the statement that the Switch can be a TV based console too, we already know that the Switch struggles with gaming on TV and performs better as a handheld. The Switch's hardware alone is clearly more designed to be a hand held, with sync issues on the controllers, to just better performance. I mean I can play my 3DS on my big fucking PC monitor, but it doesn't change the fact that the device is a handheld. Some thing here with the Switch.

Then when you consider the power and "gameability" of the Switch when compared to Xbox or PS4, I don't feel it is fair to put that system in with the 900p+ and soon to be 4k machines. The Switch will never be that, and it isn't trying to be that. It's trying to be a versatile handheld. And so long as we get some good games on it, it should succeed at that.

 

[Yoshi178]

Zelda & Mario Odyssey? or Angry Birds & Pokemon GO?

hmmmmmmm gotta have a REEEEAAAALLL hard think about which games i'd rather be playing there.

To you yes. But you don't understand how big the cell phone gaming market actually is. And how it impacts things like the DS and probably the switch too. Everyone almost always has a phone on them, no matter what. It isn't even an effort for most people now. If you go somewhere, you are 99% likely to be taking your cell phone with you.

that didn't stop the 3DS from selling over 65 million units. and it sure as hell didn't stop the DS from selling over 154 million units.

 

[CritialGaming]

Zelda & Mario Odyssey? or Angry Birds & Pokemon GO?

hmmmmmmm gotta have a REEEEAAAALLL hard think about which games i'd rather be playing there.

To you yes. But you don't understand how big the cell phone gaming market actually is. And how it impacts things like the DS and probably the switch too. Everyone almost always has a phone on them, no matter what. It isn't even an effort for most people now. If you go somewhere, you are 99% likely to be taking your cell phone with you.

that didn't stop the 3DS from selling over 65 million units. and sure as hell didn't stop the DS from selling over 154 million units.

Dude different eras. The DS released before the smart phone was even a thing. And both handhelds released before giving your 8 year old kid an Iphone was a thing.

We are in a completely different world now. So you can't take direct comparisons like that as law anymore. It doesn't work that way.

 

[Yoshi178]

Zelda & Mario Odyssey? or Angry Birds & Pokemon GO?

hmmmmmmm gotta have a REEEEAAAALLL hard think about which games i'd rather be playing there.

To you yes. But you don't understand how big the cell phone gaming market actually is. And how it impacts things like the DS and probably the switch too. Everyone almost always has a phone on them, no matter what. It isn't even an effort for most people now. If you go somewhere, you are 99% likely to be taking your cell phone with you.

And both handhelds released before giving your 8 year old kid an Iphone was a thing. .

any proof to back that up when it comes to the 3DS? 3DS came out like 4 years after the Iphone 1st gen.

btw it's really bloody late here in Melbourne Australia. i'll have a look at whatever you write back in the morning.

night night.

 

[CritialGaming]

Zelda & Mario Odyssey? or Angry Birds & Pokemon GO?

hmmmmmmm gotta have a REEEEAAAALLL hard think about which games i'd rather be playing there.

To you yes. But you don't understand how big the cell phone gaming market actually is. And how it impacts things like the DS and probably the switch too. Everyone almost always has a phone on them, no matter what. It isn't even an effort for most people now. If you go somewhere, you are 99% likely to be taking your cell phone with you.

And both handhelds released before giving your 8 year old kid an Iphone was a thing. .

any proof to back that up when it comes to the 3DS? 3DS came out like 4 years after the Iphone 1st gen.

btw it's really bloody late here in Melbourne Australia. i'll have a look at whatever you write back in the morning.

night night.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_3DS_sales#Launch

3DS sold more units in it's first year than the DS sold total. So when you look at the OG handheld DS you can't even compare. 3DS sold a little less than 4 million units world wide in 2011

https://mobiforge.com/research-analysis/2011-handset-and-smartphone-sales-statistics-worldwide-big-picture

However the Smart phone moves 500million units in 2011. The market had already begun to shift towards having a convinent device in your pocket 100% of the time. 500 million in 1 year! To date the 3ds has only move 63million total units in 6 years. Of those 63 million how many people have multiple 3DS's or bought several in that period of time just because they wanted a Pokemon DS, or the XL. Remember the 63 million is the total of 3DS's total sold. So figure how many people upgraded from the base 3DS to the XL, and the 2DS.

Smart phones sold 500 million in one year! 3DS 63million in 6 years.

 

[Yoshi178]

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Smart phones sold 500 million in one year! 3DS 63million in 6 years.

well duh.

maybe because a smartphone has a hell of a lot more use's than a 3DS because it's primary function doesn't revolve around playing videogames.
basically everyone needs a phone. a handheld device that revolves entirely around playing videogames isn't something everyone needs.
just like a home videogame console isn't something most people need.

you may as well compare PC sales to PS4 sales. it's taken PS4 4 years to sell over 50 million units. pretty sure a hell of a lot more PC's and laptops get sold every year.

obviously PS4 and PS5 when it releases are doomed! the sales of both of those things are pretty damn irrelevant and hardly effect each other.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

not being able to play stuff like overwatch or final fantasy XV sucks for people with only one console yes.

this totally subjective i know, but personally i really couldn't give less of a shit if i can't play the latest COD, Madden, FIFA. lol. i own an Xbox One as well as a Switch and a Wii U but even on Xbox one i would never go near that type of trash lol. that's just my opinion on those particular sort of 3rd party games though. i can't speak for everyone there.

the Whole reason i even 2 consoles in the first place is because i don't need or want my Switch to be just like my Xbox One. if all they got were the exact same games then what's the fucking point of me owning my Xbox One in the first place? there isn't one.

Nintendo systems not having 3rd-party support is huge. Right now the average console gamer chooses between the Playstation or Xbox based on exclusives, friends, etc because to play the vast majority of games, you either need a PS4 or X1. Thus, that relegates any Nintendo system to at best a secondary system or worst (when PC enters the equation). IF Nintendo's systems had the same 3rd-party support as all other systems, then your primary gaming platform choice would have to consider a Nintendo system. If Nintendo had systems to actually compete with Sony and MS, would you actually need an X1 then? You could play Halo on PC then. I'm pretty damn picky with games and there's no way I could just have a Nintendo system and be happy. Hell, there was a 3-year span (between The Last of Us and Dishonored 2) where I didn't play a game that I'd rate an 8+ and during that time and stuff like GTAV and Witcher 3 came out during that span. To say there's literally nothing good to play besides Halo and Nintendo games is complete bullshit, you either don't know of games you'd like or just dismiss games as something you don't think you'd like instead of trying them first.

 

[Yoshi178]

not being able to play stuff like overwatch or final fantasy XV sucks for people with only one console yes.

this totally subjective i know, but personally i really couldn't give less of a shit if i can't play the latest COD, Madden, FIFA. lol. i own an Xbox One as well as a Switch and a Wii U but even on Xbox one i would never go near that type of trash lol. that's just my opinion on those particular sort of 3rd party games though. i can't speak for everyone there.

the Whole reason i even 2 consoles in the first place is because i don't need or want my Switch to be just like my Xbox One. if all they got were the exact same games then what's the fucking point of me owning my Xbox One in the first place? there isn't one.

Nintendo systems not having 3rd-party support is huge. Right now the average console gamer chooses between the Playstation or Xbox based on exclusives, friends, etc because to play the vast majority of games, you either need a PS4 or X1. Thus, that relegates any Nintendo system to at best a secondary system or worst (when PC enters the equation). IF Nintendo's systems had the same 3rd-party support as all other systems, then your primary gaming platform choice would have to consider a Nintendo system. If Nintendo had systems to actually compete with Sony and MS, would you actually need an X1 then? You could play Halo on PC then. I'm pretty damn picky with games and there's no way I could just have a Nintendo system and be happy. Hell, there was a 3-year span (between The Last of Us and Dishonored 2) where I didn't play a game that I'd rate an 8+ and during that time and stuff like GTAV and Witcher 3 came out during that span. To say there's literally nothing good to play besides Halo and Nintendo games is complete bullshit, you either don't know of games you'd like or just dismiss games as something you don't think you'd like instead of trying them first.

i didn't get my xbox one just for 3rd party games though. i got it for exclusives like gears of war and halo. obviously things haven't turned out that way since those are also on PC.

but that's the main reason i own 2 consoles. for both of their exclusives. 3rd party games are just a bonus and i hardly even have any 3rd party games on my Xbone tbh. i have a few that came in the console bundle i got when i first bought the system which i haven't even touched and i picked up a few really cheaply in a "buy 1 get free sale" eb was having like Destny for about $10.


but otherwise i pretty much just play exclusives on my switch and the "console exclusives" on my xbox one. i'm interested in getting a few big 3rd party games like OverWatch and South Park the Fractured But Whole but otherwise there isn't really much 3rd party stuff i even want to play on my xbone

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

but otherwise i pretty much just play exclusives on my switch and the "console exclusives" on my xbox one. i'm interested in getting a few big 3rd party games like OverWatch and South Park the Fractured But Whole but otherwise there isn't really much 3rd party stuff i even want to play on my xbone

It definitely seems like you just don't try enough games or just write them off. No way I would be a happy gamer if I only just played Nintendo, MS, and Sony exclusive games. Bayonetta and Vanquish sit as my #1 & #2 top games of last-gen and they're both 3rd-party games.

 

[Yoshi178]

but otherwise i pretty much just play exclusives on my switch and the "console exclusives" on my xbox one. i'm interested in getting a few big 3rd party games like OverWatch and South Park the Fractured But Whole but otherwise there isn't really much 3rd party stuff i even want to play on my xbone

It definitely seems like you just don't try enough games or just write them off. No way I would be a happy gamer if I only just played Nintendo, MS, and Sony exclusive games. Bayonetta and Vanquish sit as my #1 & #2 top games of last-gen and they're both 3rd-party games.

i do play 3rd Party games. i just haven't found that alot of the ones i've tried have interested me much.


for example, i played Batman Arkham Asylum. loved it and played it right through to the end.
played Batman Arkham. thought it was shit and got so bored of it i ended up only getting up to the penguin part of the story before i decided to just stop playing simply because i just didn't feel like playing it anymore. haven't gone back to series since.

 

[SmugFrog]

Forza Horizon 3 which is likely the best looking racer I?ve ever seen by a lot. I love the gameplay on it too. For a $60 single purchase, I play on my PC when my kids won?t let me near the TV.

Is it cross compatible for multiplayer? I'd love to race my kids while they're playing it on the Xbaux.

I don't know but from Origin and Steam, my prediction is that if they tried to play on Live, and I tried on PC, it would disallow it as a single account was being utilized :-(

If anyone else saw this and was wondering, this does work! One copy of Forza Horizon 3 and I played from my PC with my daughter using her account on the Xbox One. Pretty cool! The only problem I ran into was while setting it up, I got in front of the Kinect and it logged me in there and closed FH3 saying I was playing the game from another location. I signed out on the Xbox and reopened it with her account and it was good to go.