Faith of the Fallen.

[jasoncyrus]

Unfortunately around Faith of the fallen was when the series began to fatal drift away from fantasy and far too much into boring realism.

Richard is war wizard who can shoot black lightning from his fingertips and is immune to dreamwalkers. Why has he not walked into their army and barbaqued every single one of them already? Hell even superman stops being a boyscout in the face of an invasion army.

 

[Merteg]

Unfortunately around Faith of the fallen was when the series began to fatal drift away from fantasy and far too much into boring realism.

Richard is war wizard who can shoot black lightning from his fingertips and is immune to dreamwalkers. Why has he not walked into their army and barbaqued every single one of them already? Hell even superman stops being a boyscout in the face of an invasion army.

He can't control his powers at this point very well.

Besides, there's MILLIONS of Imperial Order troops, and Sisters of the Dark who have had more experience at shooting black lightning out of their finger tips than him.

 

[jasoncyrus]

True but he free them remember? they pledge loyalty to him and whoosh, immune. Plus black lighning tends to be pretty effective at arcing *really* far. Plus he's got his sword play down, without the sisters he simply need to do his dance of death and slice up every one of them.

 

[Merteg]

True but he free them remember? they pledge loyalty to him and whoosh, immune. Plus black lighning tends to be pretty effective at arcing *really* far. Plus he's got his sword play down, without the sisters he simply need to do his dance of death and slice up every one of them.

The enemy Sisters are slaves now, they have lost any will.

As I said, he would be swarmed and destroyed, plus the Sisters would own him.

 

[Sindaine]

This is a very good book in a very good series, but this thread isn't about that.

What this thread is about is in the book there is a society where they believe they are worthless in the eyes of the "Creator" and human should not make choices based on logic or reason, but on blind faith.

That can lead to a pretty convoluted society all in itself, but there's more.

In their society the businesses must take turns on their jobs, and if you work harder than another person you get fired because your taking their work away. Workplaces must hire people who are horrible at their job so they get income.

If you make any money you must give it all away to people who are lazy and scheming. If you don't give your money away to them they send in a report to the government that you are against humanity, and then the government tortures a confession out of you that you were trying to make everyone fail.

This whole society is like this. With the government trying to give everyone a chance, trying to make everyone happy, their society was horrible. Everyone hated each other and no one could get any work done.

What do you guys think of a society like this?

It sounds like a batshit Republican's fever-nightmare about life after Obama took office.

 

[jasoncyrus]

True but he free them remember? they pledge loyalty to him and whoosh, immune. Plus black lighning tends to be pretty effective at arcing *really* far. Plus he's got his sword play down, without the sisters he simply need to do his dance of death and slice up every one of them.

The enemy Sisters are slaves now, they have lost any will.

As I said, he would be swarmed and destroyed, plus the Sisters would own him.

Swarming wouldn't matter, his dance of death makes him in pefect sync with TSoT, and so he would cut down every single one of them like he did with the blademasters. Compared to the blademasters, a million soldiers arn't gonna stop him unless the pile of bodies falls on top of him.

As for the sisters he could bring his Mistresses, lure them into attacking them and whoosh, nuetralised sisters.

 

[BubbleGumSnareDrum]

If people submit to a higher power that they have never actually recognized and "accept" that they are powerless under that higher power, how can they possibly achieve things for themselves?

This is why alcoholics anonymous and similar programs have always bothered me. Instead of teaching people that they are strong and that they alone have the power to defeat their addiction, they are told that they are too weak to do it alone and they can only do it with the guidance of God.

It's more of a conversion tool than it is a program for stopping addiction.

 

[Merteg]

True but he free them remember? they pledge loyalty to him and whoosh, immune. Plus black lighning tends to be pretty effective at arcing *really* far. Plus he's got his sword play down, without the sisters he simply need to do his dance of death and slice up every one of them.

The enemy Sisters are slaves now, they have lost any will.

As I said, he would be swarmed and destroyed, plus the Sisters would own him.

Swarming wouldn't matter, his dance of death makes him in pefect sync with TSoT, and so he would cut down every single one of them like he did with the blademasters. Compared to the blademasters, a million soldiers arn't gonna stop him unless the pile of bodies falls on top of him.

As for the sisters he could bring his Mistresses, lure them into attacking them and whoosh, nuetralised sisters.

I don't think he's quite good enough to take millions of soldiers. I suppose the Mord Sith and Nicci could take out most of the Sisters and help him with the Imperial Order troops, but even so I don't think he could take them on.

 

[Good morning blues]

Wow, you're right, that does sound like a shitty society! Man, I think you've finally got this book figured out.

 

[captainwillies]

Liked the series, but the Order was a bit overdone. Not everyone of the hundred thousand in the Old World want to live under them. But everyone seemed so willing. It would never hold for that long.

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have you read the books? there were three types of people in the old world.

-people who wanted change
-people who didn't
-people who wanted change but hated themselves for it because they thought it made them evil.

the first lot wanted change but were kept in check by the second group, and the third group kept themselves in check because they thought nothing good would come of it. this would have lasted a loooooong time but! It was Richard that opened the eyes of the third group and combined them with the first to over-throw the second. if that makes any sense.

 

[jasoncyrus]

True but he free them remember? they pledge loyalty to him and whoosh, immune. Plus black lighning tends to be pretty effective at arcing *really* far. Plus he's got his sword play down, without the sisters he simply need to do his dance of death and slice up every one of them.

The enemy Sisters are slaves now, they have lost any will.

As I said, he would be swarmed and destroyed, plus the Sisters would own him.

Swarming wouldn't matter, his dance of death makes him in pefect sync with TSoT, and so he would cut down every single one of them like he did with the blademasters. Compared to the blademasters, a million soldiers arn't gonna stop him unless the pile of bodies falls on top of him.

As for the sisters he could bring his Mistresses, lure them into attacking them and whoosh, nuetralised sisters.

I don't think he's quite good enough to take millions of soldiers. I suppose the Mord Sith and Nicci could take out most of the Sisters and help him with the Imperial Order troops, but even so I don't think he could take them on.

Ah damn thanks for reminding me of their names (such an epic name, Mord Sith). As for imperial Order troops, they are sub par to Rhal forces, plus Nathan and Zedd are still around. A few giant balls of wizard fire would decimate the imperial forces pretty easily.

 

[captainwillies]

If you want a meaningful critique of utopian communism, look to a writer who isn't a self-professed Objectivist. Folks like Goodkind and Rand so obsessed with trying to weave a grand symbolic philosophical hero-myth that they're altogether incapable of depicting people or societies in a human way. If you don't understand why utopian communism is seductive in the first place (hint: it's not "fat lazy stupid leeches want to steal from the hardworking morally-infallible supermen"), then you're wholly unequipped to write a book explaining why it's bad.

You guys should read this series, it's the best I've ever read.

That... that breaks my heart, man.

-- Alex

have you read the books? many empires in the books were not won by battle but were seduced just as you say.

 

[Merteg]

True but he free them remember? they pledge loyalty to him and whoosh, immune. Plus black lighning tends to be pretty effective at arcing *really* far. Plus he's got his sword play down, without the sisters he simply need to do his dance of death and slice up every one of them.

The enemy Sisters are slaves now, they have lost any will.

As I said, he would be swarmed and destroyed, plus the Sisters would own him.

Swarming wouldn't matter, his dance of death makes him in pefect sync with TSoT, and so he would cut down every single one of them like he did with the blademasters. Compared to the blademasters, a million soldiers arn't gonna stop him unless the pile of bodies falls on top of him.

As for the sisters he could bring his Mistresses, lure them into attacking them and whoosh, nuetralised sisters.

I don't think he's quite good enough to take millions of soldiers. I suppose the Mord Sith and Nicci could take out most of the Sisters and help him with the Imperial Order troops, but even so I don't think he could take them on.

Ah damn thanks for reminding me of their names (such an epic name, Mord Sith). As for imperial Order troops, they are sub par to Rhal forces, plus Nathan and Zedd are still around. A few giant balls of wizard fire would decimate the imperial forces pretty easily.

I don't know who would win in a fight, a D'Haran or an Imperial Order soldier, but I'd go with the D'Haran, as their fighting for more than just spoils.

Though, a few hundred thousand D'Harans couldn't take on millions of Imperial Order.

I suppose there are Zedd and Nathan, but there are also those pristinely ungifted people. I'm reading Naked Empire right now and they just owned Zedd. Don't ruin it for me and tell me how he get's away, though.

 

[MusicalFreedom]

Seems like a poorly-formed arguement against more left-wing politics to me. An idiotic premise with a slippery-slope outcome that has no merit in any intelligent thought. Based around "what-ifs" and the like. Waah! Socialism is bad! Bloo bloo bloo!!!!!

Would much rather have intelligent criticisms rather than mindless jerking off on "SOCIALISM IS REALLY FASCISM DON'TCHAKNOW!!!"

 

[captainwillies]

Unfortunately around Faith of the fallen was when the series began to fatal drift away from fantasy and far too much into boring realism.

Richard is war wizard who can shoot black lightning from his fingertips and is immune to dreamwalkers. Why has he not walked into their army and barbaqued every single one of them already? Hell even superman stops being a boyscout in the face of an invasion army.

richard kills but only when necessary.


have you read the last book when

Spoiler

he avoids destroying the imperial order by creating another PLANET in possibly another dimension. Places the order there just because he doesn't want to spill unnecessary blood.

 

[jasoncyrus]

Well actually d'harans have owned Imperial forces before in the ambush Khalan set up so if you mounted up all D'haran forces, combined them with the rest of the midlands armies and used Zedd to harness the remnant power from the towers that separate the midlands from the old world (the place will be saturated in it even after the chimes ran riot)..you'd obliterate their army pretty easily.

 

[Merteg]

Seems like a poorly-formed arguement against more left-wing politics to me. An idiotic premise with a slippery-slope outcome that has no merit in any intelligent thought. Based around "what-ifs" and the like. Waah! Socialism is bad! Bloo bloo bloo!!!!!

Would much rather have intelligent criticisms rather than mindless jerking off on "SOCIALISM IS REALLY FASCISM DON'TCHAKNOW!!!"

The books are much better at portraying these things.

The books aren't filled with how evil socialism is.

 

[jasoncyrus]

Unfortunately around Faith of the fallen was when the series began to fatal drift away from fantasy and far too much into boring realism.

Richard is war wizard who can shoot black lightning from his fingertips and is immune to dreamwalkers. Why has he not walked into their army and barbaqued every single one of them already? Hell even superman stops being a boyscout in the face of an invasion army.

richard kills but only when necessary.


have you read the last book when

Spoiler

he avoids destroying the imperial order by creating another PLANET in possibly another dimension. Places the order there just because he doesn't want to spill unnecessary blood.

If thats true then I *might* drag up the effort to bear the grind of the rest of the book I'm currently on just to see him do that. (and if he manages to do that he could teleported the air around them 100 metres above them so they all exploded from the sudden vacuum force.)

 

[Merteg]

Well actually d'harans have owned Imperial forces before in the ambush Khalan set up so if you mounted up all D'haran forces, combined them with the rest of the midlands armies and used Zedd to harness the remnant power from the towers that separate the midlands from the old world (the place will be saturated in it even after the chimes ran riot)..you'd obliterate their army pretty easily.

I don't think you could ambush millions of people with gifted on their side.

And do you mean the Towers of Perdition? Is there still Sorcerers Sand in them? Or do you mean something else? If it's something after the middle of Naked Empire, don't tell me.

 

[captainwillies]

True but he free them remember? they pledge loyalty to him and whoosh, immune. Plus black lighning tends to be pretty effective at arcing *really* far. Plus he's got his sword play down, without the sisters he simply need to do his dance of death and slice up every one of them.

The enemy Sisters are slaves now, they have lost any will.

As I said, he would be swarmed and destroyed, plus the Sisters would own him.

Swarming wouldn't matter, his dance of death makes him in pefect sync with TSoT, and so he would cut down every single one of them like he did with the blademasters. Compared to the blademasters, a million soldiers arn't gonna stop him unless the pile of bodies falls on top of him.

As for the sisters he could bring his Mistresses, lure them into attacking them and whoosh, nuetralised sisters.

I don't think he's quite good enough to take millions of soldiers. I suppose the Mord Sith and Nicci could take out most of the Sisters and help him with the Imperial Order troops, but even so I don't think he could take them on.

Ah damn thanks for reminding me of their names (such an epic name, Mord Sith). As for imperial Order troops, they are sub par to Rhal forces, plus Nathan and Zedd are still around. A few giant balls of wizard fire would decimate the imperial forces pretty easily.

STOP IT YOU TWO.

jasoncyrus remember in chainfire when

Spoiler

he was almost killed by a mere 300 men? if nicci wasn't there he would be dead. now try 100000000 men! yes there's the gift but he could NEVER control it properlly.