Fall of the U.S.?

[8-Bit Grin]

Most civilizations fall around the two hundred year mark. We've over-stayed our welcome as it is.

 

[NickCaligo42]

I highly doubt it. If the turmoil of the '60's wasn't enough to bring the U.S. to a breaking point, I don't see anything happening in the next months to do so.

Not to mention the turmoil of the 30's.

 

[Valkyrie101]

I really don't see this happening. Come on: six months? I know there's quite a bit of internal tension, but not that much.

 

[Gindil]

So while browsing another forum, I came across this [http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html] basically predicts the United States would break apart by the end of 2010.

Personally, I do not believe this for two reasons:

Less serious 1: We're too lazy to break apart. Would be too much effort for us.

More serious 2: Yes, we have internal problems, but not enough to "break apart".

It should also be noted this was predicted by a Russian. So yah. Take it as you will.

That's two years old...

Regardless, not much will occur from this because

1) His agenda is pure Russian
2) Secret data is probably pulled from his nether region
3) KGB. Nuff said.

 

[SNIPERFOX ft. Harry P.Ness]

The United States will not fall. Many Americans remember we only have 2 years left with a awful leader. Once we reelect a ACTUAL leader we should do fine.

if one would be accepted into congress... dont take this that russians are all dicks, its the US's fault we're all piss poor(im russian btw) and the collapse of the USSR was one reason we had to move to ireland- no offense

 

[not_the_dm]

The only way the US could fall is if it lost some sort of huge war in a huge way and its territory was conquered/balkanized. Can't see that happening in the foreseeable future.

The parts of the US that are the angriest about such things are the same ones who consider themselves to be the core part of the country. Seceding would not help them prove any point.

Although if there was any chance of the US falling, say hello to the republics of Texas and California. (Pretty sure the US Constitution still allows a state to secede at any time. Come to think of it, if the US was balkanized by an outside force all of the states could secede to reorganize themselves in a way that hurt them less - keeping the farm belt together, etc.)

The articles of confederation(what govern our country for the first 10 years or so and floped honorably) did let states to succeed the Constitution dose not hence our civil war and Whiskey Rebellion


when i looked at the map all i saw was this

I'm willing to put Money on the Blue south not going to Mexico... Heck I'm fairly sure we alone could Whoop them again.

What's the betting that Mexico would be conquered by the Texan Republic?

 

[Ithera]

There is always some doomsayer around. It's the end of this, it's the end of that and other assorted nonsense. There may well be a collapse but not in 2010.

 

[Fallen-Angel Risen-Demon]

it's a subliminal threat he's going to INVADE! dam, that means britain'l get dragged in to.

 

[not_the_dm]

There is always some doomsayer around. It's the end of this, it's the end of that and other assorted nonsense. There may well be a collapse but not in 2010.

Then you can get that post-imperial feeling too.

it's a subliminal threat he's going to INVADE! dam, that means britain'l get dragged in to.

Maybe we'll win! For the Empire!
[sub]The sun hasn't set on the British Empire. It's just gone behind a cloud or something...[/sub]

 

[Ekonk]

Haha, a Russian wrote this? Russia is so much closer to internal collapse than the US. 9/11 showed us that we may have varying opinions and beliefs but we still are a very unified nation.

9/11 practically held your unified nation intact. It gave you a big, dangerous, mutual enemy to focus on.

Anyway, "It should also be noted this was predicted by a Russian." Really?

 

[Seatownstriker]

The end is nigh!! lol

 

[Raesvelg]

The Russians are desperate to be relevant again.

And no, there's functionally zero chance of the United States ever collapsing on its own in our lifetime.

Any event catastrophic enough to cause the US to fracture would probably have significantly more dire consequences on the rest of the world.

 

[Yureina]

The USA still has at least ~25 years of remaining as the world's only true superpower in my opinion. After that it will probably be a toss-up. All the "America is screwed" talk that i've been hearing lately seems like a mix between pessimism and secretive wishful thinking people have and will continue to have until they see what a post-US superpower world will actually look like. The USA's debt problem isnt as bad as people think it is (it's still bad), the rising powers in China and other developing nations are not doing as well as people think they are, and it will probably take even longer than 25 years before a rival power (China, India, etc) is able to come close to the quality and power of the US military. This is just my humble opinion though as someone who has dug into this subject alot lately.

A less respectful response would be that the person who made that prediction is a tosser.

Oh really?

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

National Debt > $13 Trillion

Total debt owed by everyone in U.S. > $56 Thousand Trillion

Total debt per family = $688,729

Income per family = $62,357

So everyone's over borrowed by 11 times their income...

I am personally debt-free.

I am debt-free too.

As for the debt thing, I said it was bad, just not as bad as people make it out to be. We are nowehere near the point that Greece or other European nations are at right now. Things will get better once the US starts taking care of some of its consumption problem in some way, or better yet invents some new technology/industry that can allow for a second great economic boom.

 

[youngj]

stating americans are tool azy to rebel against the government and thereby tear the nation apart is not far from tre. honestly we are more likely to be brought under the yoke of some new speaking political mastermind who can manipulate the emotions of the people into doing exactly what he plans. for example, henry clay or john c. calhoun from the pre-civil war days were ative and ambitious political individuals in a fashion unseen today. if someone of the same caliber, or someone with the necessary contacts to place themselves in a position where they could become so politically versed and experience the sweeter fruits of ambition the americans of today could be easily led into any number of totalitarian regimes. we either believe what we are told or don't care enough to be interested.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Well the governor of Texas did threaten to secede. So there's that.

There has been a big moment in Hawaii to do this for a long time, and whats up with all the hate for Texas?

It's inevitable whenever the name is invoked. It comes from a lack of practical knowledge of the state which is substituted for cartoon logic that everyone here acts like the characters from Dallas.

It also comes from paying some attention to the dingbats on the Texas Board of Education [http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/education/13texas.html].

As for Texas Secession, can we help you pack [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCLz7XQOIOQ]?

(With apologies to any Sane Texans out there, but you seem to be an oppressed minority.)

More like a quiet majority. Living in this state, I have yet to see someone actually fit the stereotype. It's more conservative than how some people like, but oh well.

 

[Raesvelg]

The Russians are desperate to be relevant again.

More relevant then you might think,comrade.

Not really. As a political and economic entity, they're pretty much going to be relegated to a second-tier status, ultimately, after the EU, US, China and India.