Fallout 3 (PC version)
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Maybe the NPD reports show the PC version trailing behind the console ones, but NPD notoriously ignores Digital Distribution. Those figures are never acurate.
The only issue I had was solved by changing vsync control.... WHAAAA! Too hard.
It's not about elitism, it's about quality. The PC version is just better, better graphics, better upgradability, even easier to cheat on (If that's your thing), and a lot of games now let you play with the 360 controller. The PC platform is also likly to have more bugs, only because with consoles, they know the hardware it's running on. Really, most things are fixed with a quick Google search now-a-days. I know, faster to jump in and play, fine, you go play vanilla Fallout and Oblivion, I'll be extending my playtime and enjoyment with mods. I know, I'm stupid, because "I'm a PC" and you're not, but that is ok. I just have to ask a bit of an odd question, why such a computer if this is your first and last foray into PC gaming? I assume you bought it pre-made from a store, since if you were a PC guy and made that setup simply to blast off rants about PC's on forums... Well, it's be a bit odd. Tell you what, try playing some older PC games first. Half-Life is a prime example... Or even play Halo on the PC, it'll be an easy transition for you to understand the controls better. I'm sure if you ask, we PC ganers would gladly help you with problems, we're a helpful lot. After all, if we give up after every little bump, where would we be?
-Link Kadeshi
The only issue I had was solved by changing vsync control.... WHAAAA! Too hard.
It's not about elitism, it's about quality. The PC version is just better, better graphics, better upgradability, even easier to cheat on (If that's your thing), and a lot of games now let you play with the 360 controller. The PC platform is also likly to have more bugs, only because with consoles, they know the hardware it's running on. Really, most things are fixed with a quick Google search now-a-days. I know, faster to jump in and play, fine, you go play vanilla Fallout and Oblivion, I'll be extending my playtime and enjoyment with mods. I know, I'm stupid, because "I'm a PC" and you're not, but that is ok. I just have to ask a bit of an odd question, why such a computer if this is your first and last foray into PC gaming? I assume you bought it pre-made from a store, since if you were a PC guy and made that setup simply to blast off rants about PC's on forums... Well, it's be a bit odd. Tell you what, try playing some older PC games first. Half-Life is a prime example... Or even play Halo on the PC, it'll be an easy transition for you to understand the controls better. I'm sure if you ask, we PC ganers would gladly help you with problems, we're a helpful lot. After all, if we give up after every little bump, where would we be?
-Link Kadeshi
WRONGcuddly_tomato said:
Get the PC version unless you're PC is a piece of crap.
The PC mod tools are coming out in a month , so I would say in maybe 3 months there will be a good collection of great community mods.(I'm hoping for and expecting mods that put vehicles in the game, mods that give you a steady flow of income, like maybe owning a store, mods that make whole new towns, mods that allow you improve your current houses further, and mods that improve your Butler robot thing.)
Play it in windowed mode. My friend does that and it works. And he has a GOOD computer.[/quote][Gavo said:
Try not to quote long OP's. Do what I did in the post and write *snip* or *text* instead of the actual text. It just makes threads easier to read.
It's funny, in Oblivion I actually made a companion mod for a dog, so it's kinda nifty to not need to make one in Fallout 3. What they're doing already amazes me. I assume mid-December is their release time for the SDK. Fanboy hatred for the PC is a bit odd to me, I have a couple PC's and a Xbox, 360, PS2, and a Wii, so I don't understand why anyone would adamantly hate one platform... Well, excluding that stupid PS3!
I don't know, I have Fallout 3 for my pc and its given me nothing but problems from the start. Sometimes it'll work fine, sometimes it freezes constantly, and sometimes it just crashes to desktop for no apparent reason. This is the only game I have these problems with. I was quite dissapointed. Looking at other boards I'm not the only one, this was just a buggy release. Oh and if you wanna know the computer stats:
Q 6700 Intel Quad Core
4 Gigs DDR2 Memory
8800 Gt OC Invidia Bfg card
Q 6700 Intel Quad Core
4 Gigs DDR2 Memory
8800 Gt OC Invidia Bfg card
It isn't the platform, it's what the developers do with it. PC should be the most successful platform by a huge margin. Go to any town or any city in the world, and you will find a dozen PCs for every console. However, PC gaming is slowly dying out. The chief problem is the developers are releasing game builds that are hardly working on PCs. Even if they do work, they are often buggy or simply don't do as they ought too. Add malware (or as they like to call it, DRM) into this little equation and you have the death of the platform.Link Kadeshi said:
Ok, just picture the old playstation coming out, but with every single game release the gamer in question had to fiddle with settings, worry about requirements, work out what to delete to make space for installs, and then after all that it still might not work. The platform would have crashed and burned in flames. Why do people think PC gaming is going to be different?
I know on a gamer forum this might seem a bit odd but most people with PCs don't know how to update drivers. Most don't know what a kernel is. A lot of them won't dare touch their own programs/windows folders. That is the majority out there, all those people. They play games on consoles... games are fun, and they like doing fun things. It's just they are not computer maintenance experts.
Aiming your product at such a tiny market (PC experts with super computers) is a sure fire way to destroy your business.
I going to delurk and actually register because I'm getting tired of getting the following argument from console fans:
"PC games are buggy"
I usually respond with " and console games aren't?!"
This strange myth that console games are bug-free is usually a fallacy. Console gamers don't notice them, because PC gamers actually expect most games to be at somewhat buggy, while console gamers don't. So consolers tend to gloss over bugs in their games.
As a dedicated PC gamer I actually cringe at playing some console games, because I notice all the bugs and there usually isn't enough of distraction in terms of graphics. Halo was a huge example for me. Yeah it is fun to play as shallow as it is, but it is plagued by clipping issues, bad AI decisions, and such bad graphical errors that I can't hope to take it seriously. These are things which would cause any PC-only game to get chased out of town by a pitchfork-wielding mob. Yet, these bugs are tolerated on consoles and Halo, in all it's buggy glory, continues to be adored by the masses.
Really both formats have their problems, but hopping up and down by claiming console games are bug free and railing about console superiority is only going to annoy people.
PC's aren't the raving upgade-a-thons you seem to think they are.And considering that consoles make a new model every 5 year thus making ever game for the old one obsolete this isn't an angle that's going to win any real victories. how is forking out 400-500 dollars every five years for a new consloe any different forking out the same for a new PC.
"PC games are buggy"
I usually respond with " and console games aren't?!"
This strange myth that console games are bug-free is usually a fallacy. Console gamers don't notice them, because PC gamers actually expect most games to be at somewhat buggy, while console gamers don't. So consolers tend to gloss over bugs in their games.
As a dedicated PC gamer I actually cringe at playing some console games, because I notice all the bugs and there usually isn't enough of distraction in terms of graphics. Halo was a huge example for me. Yeah it is fun to play as shallow as it is, but it is plagued by clipping issues, bad AI decisions, and such bad graphical errors that I can't hope to take it seriously. These are things which would cause any PC-only game to get chased out of town by a pitchfork-wielding mob. Yet, these bugs are tolerated on consoles and Halo, in all it's buggy glory, continues to be adored by the masses.
Really both formats have their problems, but hopping up and down by claiming console games are bug free and railing about console superiority is only going to annoy people.
The drive to ultimate 3D glory is annoying, but not the crippling morass you make it out to be. I have had the same graphics card (Nvidia Geforce 6600) for four years now. and I can still play damn near everything out right now. Sure I had to dial down some of the graphics for F.E.A.R. but the game largely did that for me. Most games will scale to your system themselves.
PC's aren't the raving upgade-a-thons you seem to think they are.And considering that consoles make a new model every 5 year thus making ever game for the old one obsolete this isn't an angle that's going to win any real victories. how is forking out 400-500 dollars every five years for a new consloe any different forking out the same for a new PC.
Quite. But nobody is doing that.Dhael said:
In any case, around here, simply saying "I like consoles" annoys some people, and as such it is impossible to not annoy them, thus I will not even try.
Fable 2 was horribly bugged, as much as many PC games, and that was a console exclusive. The point is Fallout 3 had console variants and a PC variant. The PC variant simply isn't working for a lot of people, head over to the Bethesda forums for validation. With that in mind, which version is going to be the more popular?
If you are a PC gamer (as I am) and you want the platform to survive then I strongly suggest you stop making excuses or pointing fingers and actually demand PC games be as workable and user-friendly as their console variants.
The point most of you PC bashers are missing is that playing a shooter (or any game with a first person or third person interface) with a gamepad is like eating soup with chopsticks.
And before you respond that gamepads are just a matter of practice and getting used to them; even a console virtuoso would lose 20 to 0 against a PC pro playing a multiplayer shooter like Halo (or one of the ones that doesn't suck, but isn't available on consoles) if both players were able to play on their favored platform.
Console developers knows this, which is why they're adding stuff like assisted targeting and less unit health, that sort of pansy stuff.
The only games that are generally easier to play on consoles are fighting games, racing games and platform jumpers, all genres that have peaked decades ago, and with no memorable titles being released in about the same amount of time.
And before you respond that gamepads are just a matter of practice and getting used to them; even a console virtuoso would lose 20 to 0 against a PC pro playing a multiplayer shooter like Halo (or one of the ones that doesn't suck, but isn't available on consoles) if both players were able to play on their favored platform.
Console developers knows this, which is why they're adding stuff like assisted targeting and less unit health, that sort of pansy stuff.
The only games that are generally easier to play on consoles are fighting games, racing games and platform jumpers, all genres that have peaked decades ago, and with no memorable titles being released in about the same amount of time.
To a degree, you are right. However, there are a couple flaws. PC's are not the only ones with bugs, glitches and out-right game stopping issues. The PS3, 360 and even the Wii have these problems. The average user shouldn't have to buy a Blu-Ray player they'll never use, or replace a system because some red lights flash... "What does that flashing mean?"
And I am not just a computer gamer, but a PC tech too, I understand the limitations of most users. That is not always an excuse though. If you need help, it can be provided, normally. The platform is better, the software (On all platforms) needs to be given more attention. One of the pluses to the PC is that these work-arounds are possible. Look at the Tomb Raider bug in the Wii, what is their response to the switch that isn't there? No patch and a bare minimum save game they have to be able to transfer themselves. The PC may have problems, but it can be worse. And for the drivers, it can be the same as any issue, ask for help online, or use Google to find the answers. I know laymen know how to Google. By the way, forgive any terseness, I'm at work, and type this too quickly.
And I am not just a computer gamer, but a PC tech too, I understand the limitations of most users. That is not always an excuse though. If you need help, it can be provided, normally. The platform is better, the software (On all platforms) needs to be given more attention. One of the pluses to the PC is that these work-arounds are possible. Look at the Tomb Raider bug in the Wii, what is their response to the switch that isn't there? No patch and a bare minimum save game they have to be able to transfer themselves. The PC may have problems, but it can be worse. And for the drivers, it can be the same as any issue, ask for help online, or use Google to find the answers. I know laymen know how to Google. By the way, forgive any terseness, I'm at work, and type this too quickly.
I don't get the whole "PC is dying out thing." Quite a few arguments are PC game sales going down, but I now know that instead of what I was doing three-four years ago and buying them new from the store I am now buying them off Steam. Which I'm pretty sure are actually not taken into account by a lot of statistics.
In any case, I don't know how long is takes to load up Fallout 3 on consoles, but on my computer it literally takes around 2-3 seconds to load my game on ultra settings, 1024x12whatever and with some of the antialiasing on, although I'm not counting the 5-10 second "get to main menu" bit. It's just that I'm pretty sure you can't get that kind of speed out of a console.
Then we get to the mods. Even without the developers kit there are a ton of mods out that have massively improved my gaming experience: better gun sounds, ripping the scope off the magnums, more accurate assault rifles, unkillable companions, hire any companion with any karma, as many companions as you want, better power armor...I could go on. I played Oblivion without mods for roughly a week before I checked to see what kinda interesting stuff they had. I practically wet my pants with joy when I found the plain awesomeness of some of the mods. I don't know why anybody would deny themselves that.
...well, unless they have a crappy computer.
In any case, I don't know how long is takes to load up Fallout 3 on consoles, but on my computer it literally takes around 2-3 seconds to load my game on ultra settings, 1024x12whatever and with some of the antialiasing on, although I'm not counting the 5-10 second "get to main menu" bit. It's just that I'm pretty sure you can't get that kind of speed out of a console.
Then we get to the mods. Even without the developers kit there are a ton of mods out that have massively improved my gaming experience: better gun sounds, ripping the scope off the magnums, more accurate assault rifles, unkillable companions, hire any companion with any karma, as many companions as you want, better power armor...I could go on. I played Oblivion without mods for roughly a week before I checked to see what kinda interesting stuff they had. I practically wet my pants with joy when I found the plain awesomeness of some of the mods. I don't know why anybody would deny themselves that.
...well, unless they have a crappy computer.
