Fallout 4 hopes and dreams?

[Megahedron]

So, just thought about this while reading the thread: what if it was set in Hawaii?

We'd have Pearl Harbor to explore (more gutted out aircraft carriers), no Brotherhood of Steel, but the Enclave may have made it out there. Several volcanoes, opportunity for caves and stuff to be full of magma. The border could be the size of each island, rather than giant canyons. Possibly a way to move between the islands, various factions could have arisen and formed on different islands. Maybe the Chinese sent some troops before it all ended, their descendants may have survived, or they may have just left wreckage. Plus, it's a whole new style of setting that can still use the Americana of the previous games.

Just spitballing, of course. Don't know if there's already something in the Fallout lore that makes this impossible.

 

[spectrenihlus]

New York, there is literally no information on the Empire State and it would be very interesting what tribals would be doing with the Empire State Building or Statue of Liberty if they are still standing.

 

[Jovip]

Fallout three continued the general storyline of the first and second one.
mainly coming from the vault and that stuff. But new Vegas was an entirely pointless money maker. had no real story in it, just big stupid American city people want.

What the holy, god-only-knows fuck are you talking about?

Fallout: New Vegas was a direct sequel to Fallout 2. It was set closer to the west coast and had the NCR in it. Not to mention it had intelligent super mutants from the original Fallouts and there were plenty of references to characters, places and encounters from the original Fallouts.

Fallout had almost nothing to do with Fallout 1 or 2, it was on the other side of America and just took factions and ideas from the first two and plunked them in DC.

Whatever you're sniffing I don't want it.

You do realize that a good sequel is exactly that right? taking good parts of the previous game, then putting it in a new environment and situation to see the differences and contrasts? if we kept with the same stuff it would get boring and stupid. fallout 3 changed things up with themes of the past. new Vegas tried to make homages to the past games. but just couldn't hold up. Sure it has some old factions, smart mutants. but that stuff was boring in the first few games. why bring it back. cut the fat. always makes for a better meal.

Fallout 3 wasn't a direct sequel at all you realize that right? It was a completely different story taking place in the same universe. Change the name and a few small names and it could have easily been it's own franchise. The fact that it is set in the fallout universe gives it a chance to fill out more of the world and give more possibilities for stories in the future. New Vegas was a direct sequel taking place in direct conjunction with the story of the first 2 games, which a lot of people wanted. Not just "big stupid American people", fans of the franchises roots everywhere, I found the factions and references smart and well-placed. New Vegas in no way leaned on the first two games for anything, all of the factions have expanded or been destroyed, all of the returning characters have changed and grown. The NCR was a collection of fledgling collection of towns in 2, and now it's one of the greatest powers in the wasteland. New Vegas preserved the old games fantastic setting and factions and brought them back in a way that while being familiar, was totally different.

That was my point. fallout 3 wasn't a direct sequel. it took the universe and went somewhere new and interesting with it. i played the first two games and loved them. but if i had to play through the same shit and the same politics i would shoot myself. it started getting just revolting and annoying and way to manifest destiny American nonsense.

fallout 3 took it back to what the series should be about.people, survival, human nature, the subtext of our nature. We had so many new things. that's what a sequel needs to be. new things. not the same old crap regurgitated. New vegas didn't lean on the other games. it was the only damn thing holding it up or connecting it to the fallout series. honestly. it could of just as easily been called call of duty : historically incorrect desert warfare.

 

[Vault Girl]

alright, I'm a big follower if the fallout series, since the first one.
but i enjoy Bethesda's version as well. (i don't consider new vegas a game in the fallout series, because i hated it so much)

At least there is another that agrees that NV a crap. I want a return to the storytelling of Fallout 3. I want a game that doesn't involve the damn NCR at all. I think F3 was great because we all know that D.C would be the hardest hit, and that carried over to the game. it FELT like a wasteland to be proud of, its diversity, challenges and the humor was amazing.

I loved the little things, being able to walk through the wasteland and be constantly surprised, and i still am. things like just wondering in to andale or jury street metro.

I like the idea of a heavily modified hardcore survival mode, but apart from that Nothing should be taken from NV.

 

[johnnnny guitar]

Have they announced it yet?

Honestly, New Vegas was fucking GREAT. Learn from the positives, mix them in, make a few gameplay and graphical tweaks and there's a fucking perfect game right there.

YEAH i dont know what all the hate was for new vegas except for the invisible walls the game I thought was awsome

 

[Cowabungaa]

Wait for TES: Skyrim first so we can see how Bethesda's new engine performs.

That we do. It was very good. An example of how to do a 3D Fallout game right. A few bugs are not the game-breaking element that people over-exaggerate them to be. Those three elements I described in Fallout 3 ARE game-breaking, however.

My saved game begs to differ. I pretty much sabotaged the main quest simply by going off the set path, I just can't solve it now so I've given up on the game. I expect a sandbox game to be a lot more robust than that.

But heej, at least they tried to capture the gameplay feel of the original game a lot more, more so than Fallout 3.

Capital wastelands were a mostly copy paste type of land scape while New Vegas had a pile of different colorful environments that were fun to play in. New Vegas had better weapons, more variety, they brought back game play elements to fallout from the first 2.

Woah, gotta break in here for a moment. Where on earth did you find colourful environments in New Vegas? I saw brown deserts and less-brown slightly forested mountains. That's...pretty much it.

The other guy has some other good points as well. It's true that New Vegas isn't as Fallout-themed as the previous Fallout's. I mean, towns build around bombs, cities build in old aircraft carriers, the craziness of humanity when everything falls apart, showing what lies beneath that thin veneer of civilization. It's true that New Vegas didn't have that as much.

 

[Vault Girl]

It be good if they expanded on the Commonwealth and The Institute that was referenced in the Running Man Quest and where Doctor Li left for. She was on of my least characters but i would welcome a return if we got to see what this place is. they said that outside of the Institute was a wasteland just as bad as D.C before we /destroyed it/saved it.

 

[ImmortalDrifter]

That was my point. fallout 3 wasn't a direct sequel. it took the universe and went somewhere new and interesting with it. i played the first two games and loved them. but if i had to play through the same shit and the same politics i would shoot myself. it started getting just revolting and annoying and way to manifest destiny American nonsense.

fallout 3 took it back to what the series should be about.people, survival, human nature, the subtext of our nature. We had so many new things. that's what a sequel needs to be. new things. not the same old crap regurgitated. New vegas didn't lean on the other games. it was the only damn thing holding it up or connecting it to the fallout series. honestly. it could of just as easily been called call of duty : historically incorrect desert warfare.

But the issue is it's not the same shit, and it in fact did go somewhere new and interesting, namely Vegas. It isn't the same politics either, the NCR isn't fighting the Enclave, or the Brotherhood (save in one small case) and a completely new enemy is introduced. And the survival subtext of the series would have to end at some point, civilization would rise up and begin regaining its hold on humanity. It's only a matter of time.

And "manifest destiny american nonsense" is more human nature than you think, the British were imperial long before America came along, and the Persians and Egyptians before them. If you need more resources (after a disaster or otherwise), what would be the first thing you do? Look for them elsewhere.

Don't use the fact that it's set in America to throw around baseless insults.

Secondly, it has a lot more to hold it up than old ties. What if the NCR had a different name and sprang up from Oregon or something? All of your arguments would be baseless.

 

[KingmanHighborn]

Since when was Fallout 3 short and easy? I've sank enough hours to get a college degree and still haven't even got to Broken Steel yet. That said take a page from Fable, but just a little one and let me hit on people, and not the punching kind. This games going to get an MA rating anyway might as well make the most of it. Especially considering how the whole reason I did Moria's quests was because she was the hottest smoking babe in the game. But have love interests be like one or two people and not marry the whole town. Also let me please do something besides walking. Hell let me craft a rocket scooter or something, with a wagon attached to pull my dog in it. I dunno the details but I really would vechiles especially whatever those flying things are the Enclave use. Make Fallout 4 a World Tour game as well. It's the era of the PS3, X-box 360 and god computers it can handle it. Or just give me something to dive bomb Super Mutants and Slavers with.

 

[Anjel]

So many interesting ideas here. I'm not going to hate on fans of the original Fallout and number 2, I am also a huge fan of these games. But I just can't see them going back to it. It is a shame because people think of the original pace and style of the old games and think "sloooooooow". But it could be jazzed up a little. There are many isometric games that are doing well and with camera rotation and panning thrown in I don't see why it couldn't work... but I still doubt it would happen.

In terms of location... I've always stood by London as being a great place for a Fallout 'game' but after hashing it out with someone previously I agree that it just doesn't fit the Fallout series. Yes, we exist in the Fallout world. No, there probably shouldn't be a released game for it. I would love to see a mod for London though - if anyone knows of one, let me know

 

[E-Penguin]

Snip

Thanks for spoiling the ending of the game for me.

 

[spartandude]

Fallout Cardiff!

 

[TilMorrow]

I'm hoping that it's going to be fun for a start and that it is no where near the bad quality of Honest Hearts. Keep some mechanics from F3 and F:NV and move to the UK or Europe or perhaps even Australia. Now that would be good.

Side Note: Anyone else play the HH DLC? I thought it was terrible and a big difference in quality from Dead Money.

 

[Brandon Louthan]

What about a remake of the first game with the Skyrim engine? I think that would be great for the new Fallout game.

 

[THEfog101]

alright, I'm a big follower if the fallout series, since the first one.
but i enjoy Bethesda's version as well. (i don't consider new vegas a game in the fallout series, because i hated it so much)

But is anyone else excited for fallout 4? i know it will run on the same engine that skyrim is being developed on. but even then, if the developers completely leave that stupid barren piece of shit Mojave wasteland and get back to big city's, a well developed story. plus a chance at bug-less game play. well it's something to be excited about. what do you guys think?

You do know that nearly the whole fallout series has been situated within big open wastelands and small pockets of civilization (Vault City Aside)?

 

[Brotherofwill]

Here's the thing. Fallout's got a quality that fallout 3 ignores and vegas just brushes with. An incredible but very dark sense of humor. The Wild Wasteland showed a glimmer of that, but there should be more. The first two games, in addition to being amazingly cool, were also hilarious. That needs to be brought back in.

There are numerous places to take the series, but for the love of god, keep it with obsidian. What I would REALLY like to see? Bring back the old transition maps from fallout 1 and 2. Sure, it's nice being able to walk from point A to point B, but it makes the maps feel small, even when they aren't.

Pretty much this.

I'm not so sure about the map, although I loved it in F2. Maybe they could find a middle way in which you could explore huge, sprawling wasteland but still take trips across the coast with such a map, so you have both. Removing the huge 3D environments would be a step back, but using such a map with a random encounter system would be better than the usual fast travel snooze fest of Bethesda's games.

Use a new engine. Stick with Obsidian (but give them some tech guys or something please) and make it waaay more cynical. That would be a good foundation.