Fallout 76 shitstorm continues; this time with collector's edition

[Dalisclock]

Its one thing to retroactively change your T&S. Its shitty, but I've read its legal. But how is this not blatant false advertising?

Because Capitalism. Trying to hold giant corporations accountable for anything and/or not giving them massive tax breaks for...reasons, is just giving the commies what they want. And we can't have that, can we?

Funny how these companies never learn.

Funny how gamers never learn. The next Bethesda game will have plenty of pre-orders and collector editions sold.

Exactly. It doesn't matter how much people post online about how angry they are if they keep buying the same crap, or even better, preordering the super deluxe edition for a product of unknown quality because of branding. Or just pre-ordering in general.

How's the phrase go again? The Definition of Insanity is doing the same fucking thing over and over again and expecting something different.

 

[Grouchy Imp_v1legacy]

What lore has been retconned? I'm genuinely interested, because I've been playing for about a week now and haven't noticed anything (at least, anything worse than the retconning that went on in F3).

 

[Dalisclock]

What lore has been retconned? I'm genuinely interested, because I've been playing for about a week now and haven't noticed anything (at least, anything worse than the retconning that went on in F3).

I've not played the game, but from what I've read, it has to do with the Brotherhood of Steel showing up that early in the timeline....on the opposite side of the country from where they started.

Because in the original fallout, the BoS was still fairly isolationist and more or less confined to a bunker in Northern California. By the time of Fallout 2, decades later, they had branch offices in various cities. They didn't head eastward until a bit later, I believe to chase after the remnants of the Masters Army that fled in that direction. It depends on how much of Fallout Tactics you consider to be canon, but I think Fallout 3 more or less confirms the Eastward expansion/expedition, explaining how they ended up in DC.

And the original Fallout took place a couple decades after Fallout 76, so realistically there shouldn't be BoS anywhere but the West Coast.

Though we might be able to safely write off 76 as not mattering as far as canon is concerned. It depends just how much Bethesda wants to remind everyone about 76 when FO5 rolls out in a few years. Not to mention there are examples of entries of in a series were flat out ignored by later entries.

 

[TopazFusion]

Jimmy Boy's video on this left me in stitches, with all the apt analogies and silly voices that he does.

But on the serious side, this blows.
And I don't accept the canvas bags are "too expensive" to make (did they not do a cost analysis before promoting the item?), or that there's a "material shortage". It's not like people are asking for military-grade ballistic fiber bags (which also feature within the game itself, by the way).

In fact, I fully expect some enterprising individual to start selling identical knock-off canvas bags for next to nothing, just to prove a point (if they haven't already).

 

[Gethsemani_v1legacy]

What lore has been retconned? I'm genuinely interested, because I've been playing for about a week now and haven't noticed anything (at least, anything worse than the retconning that went on in F3).

I've not played the game, but from what I've read, it has to do with the Brotherhood of Steel showing up that early in the timeline....on the opposite side of the country from where they started.

The game explains it as a bunch of guys who heard the BoS radio communications (or something like that, I haven't played the game either), got in touch with them and adopted their motifs and ideals. To me it falls under "not very egregious" considering that it could maybe sort of happen, and by the the time the game rolls around everyone in West Virginia is apparently dead anyway, so there are no WV BoS around to cause a really bad continuity snarl.

 

[Grouchy Imp_v1legacy]

What lore has been retconned? I'm genuinely interested, because I've been playing for about a week now and haven't noticed anything (at least, anything worse than the retconning that went on in F3).

I've not played the game, but from what I've read, it has to do with the Brotherhood of Steel showing up that early in the timeline....on the opposite side of the country from where they started.

Because in the original fallout, the BoS was still fairly isolationist and more or less confined to a bunker in Northern California. By the time of Fallout 2, decades later, they had branch offices in various cities. They didn't head eastward until a bit later, I believe to chase after the remnants of the Masters Army that fled in that direction. It depends on how much of Fallout Tactics you consider to be canon, but I think Fallout 3 more or less confirms the Eastward expansion/expedition, explaining how they ended up in DC.

And the original Fallout took place a couple decades after Fallout 76, so realistically there shouldn't be BoS anywhere but the West Coast.

Though we might be able to safely write off 76 as not mattering as far as canon is concerned. It depends just how much Bethesda wants to remind everyone about 76 when FO5 rolls out in a few years. Not to mention there are examples of entries of in a series were flat out ignored by later entries.

I must admit I haven't run into the Brotherhood yet. It isn't inconceivable though, as the plot of Fallout Tactics (set only shortly after F1) was all about finding clues as to the disappearance of a missing Brotherhood airship as it tried to cross from West to East, but F:T was declared non-canon by Black Isle themselves so I'd be surprised of Bethesda chose to rekindle that particular plotline. To be honest a lot of groups/phenomena confined to the West Coast by Black Isle were shamelessly copy/pasted onto the East Coast by Bethesda for the sake of continuity, and I think any efforts at all by Bethesda to keep insisting on an East Coast Fallout will always run foul of the 'canon crowd' (of which I have been a vocal member in many posts past).

That all having been said, I agree with you that we can all go ahead and simply just have fun with Fallout 76 purely at face value without having to worry about canon for the one reason that the goal of 76 is to establish a reborn America in the ruins of the old, decades before the first game, and we know already that an Appalachian State did *not* rise before the events of Fallout 1. This is leading me to assume that the end sequence of 76 is gonna be kinda Farcry 5-ish, possibly down to the Children of Atom as they are a distinctly East Coast phenomena.

 

[Majestic Manatee_v1legacy]

It only gets better

https://gamerant.com/fallout-76-canvas-bags-given-influencers/

 

[FakeSympathy]

It only gets better

https://gamerant.com/fallout-76-canvas-bags-given-influencers/

Was just about to give an update on that. God, it is such a dick move

 

[Dalisclock]

It only gets better

https://gamerant.com/fallout-76-canvas-bags-given-influencers/

Was just about to give an update on that. God, it is such a dick move

Man, I can't wait for the Yathzee "Let's all learn from an Industry(that doesn't learn anything)" video on this.

Does no one at Bethesda know what "Optics" are? Have PR department? Something?

 

[runic knight]

I hope they get shredded for this nonsense. Open contempt for customers and complete willingness to try any underhanded crap they can just to begin with, now openly false advertising and a "lol fuck you" response...
Shit like this or the battlefront lootbox crap is going to lead to new legislation on the industry in response eventually, and those companies aren't going to like it.

Sadly, it will probably be ham-fisted and overreaching. But when the customers despite the companies that are suppose to serve them, they wont go to bat for them when they need to voice protest to that sort of thing.

 

[Dalisclock]

I hope they get shredded for this nonsense. Open contempt for customers and complete willingness to try any underhanded crap they can just to begin with, now openly false advertising and a "lol fuck you" response...
Shit like this or the battlefront lootbox crap is going to lead to new legislation on the industry in response eventually, and those companies aren't going to like it.

Sadly, it will probably be ham-fisted and overreaching. But when the customers despite the companies that are suppose to serve them, they wont go to bat for them when they need to voice protest to that sort of thing.

I doubt we'll get any legislation addressing this, at least not on a federal level in the US, or if we do, it won't help much. I suspect the only way to see this shit stop happening if people STOP. GIVING. THEM. MONEY!

 

[SckizoBoy]

Yep. 500 atoms, the $5 premium currency. FIVE. FUCKING. DOLLARS. They made fans spend $200 just to bait and switch shit that will be in the collection, and all they can offer in return is $5 in microtransaction?! I feel so bad for people who bought collector's edition, nevermind a terrible base game. Holy fukcing shit, it's actually making me sick and angry as I am writing this down. Yes, it's just a duffle bag, but it's the way Bethesda is handling this shitstorm right now.

You know the best/worst part about this offer of 500 atoms? You can buy a character outfit in the store that comes with a(n obviously digital) postman's canvas bag. How much does it cost? 700 atoms... yeah... for screwing over customers for not shipping the real canvas bag as advertised, they're offering compensation that isn't even enough to buy a virtual canvas bag. *slow clap*

 

[Chewster]

This is a pretty impressive albeit not especially surprising bed shitting from Bethesda and I hope they suffer fully for all the drama and hilarious stupidity that has come along with Fallout 76.

On the other hand, Collector's Editions of games are almost always a scam, come with worthless plastic nonsense we don't need so why the hell are people even still buying them?

 

[RaikuFA]

This is a pretty impressive albeit not especially surprising bed shitting from Bethesda and I hope they suffer fully for all the drama and hilarious stupidity that has come along with Fallout 76.

On the other hand, Collector's Editions of games are almost always a scam, come with worthless plastic nonsense we don't need so why the hell are people even still buying them?

Last one I bought was Persona 5 and the biggest thing that came with it was a bag that came as advertised and I use it for trips. Rest was a steel book, cd and a cool box I put my magic cards in

 

[Hades]

I really wonder why the game industry insist on being so needlessly incompetent. The false advertisement would always have caused a fuss but even a few small steps would have decreased the negativity a lot.

Small things like

-Actually notifying the involved costumers rather than praying they don't notice.

-don't keep advertising the electors edition as coming with a canvas bag

-don't have your customer service say ''We don't plan on doing anything about it''

-don't give out the advertised bag to youtubers if you publically stated you don't have the materials

- give an apology gift players can actually use instead of an amount so pitiful you can hardly buy anything with it. I doubt giving players enough to buy a single good costume would have been a financial disaster.

I don't understand why Bethesda considered none of those things.

 

[meiam]

So apparently they are going to send the bag to the player. I don't understand how things like these happen, they knew going the reception of 76 was going to be tepid at best (even if the game was bug free), they knew people were going to jump on any problem that would happen. How the hell did they not see that coming?

 

[FakeSympathy]

OP Here.

Well, guys, it looks like Bethesda finally caved in; They are promising replacement canvas duffle bags.

https://twitter.com/BethesdaSupport/status/1069713890806849536

Okay, Bethesda, it's a start. But few things you guys are forgetting

1. The duffle bag debacle could've easily been avoided. Canvas isn't that rare nor expensive material
2. Your 500 atoms remedy was a joke
3. The base games suck ass!

 

[IceForce]

3. The base games suck ass!

It's been heavily discounted several times now. I wonder how long before they just say 'fuck it' and make the thing free-to-play.

You know, pull an Evolve on everyone's asses.

 

[Dalisclock]

OP Here.

Well, guys, it looks like Bethesda finally caved in; They are promising replacement canvas duffle bags.

https://twitter.com/BethesdaSupport/status/1069713890806849536

Okay, Bethesda, it's a start. But few things you guys are forgetting

1. The duffle bag debacle could've easily been avoided. Canvas isn't that rare nor expensive material
2. Your 500 atoms remedy was a joke
3. The base games suck ass!

1+2.

What makes it even more egregious is that the collectors edition was $200, apparently. So $60 for the game, however much for the helmet. Honestly, the bag can't have been THAT pricey in comparison and you know you're gonna get shit when you take someone's $200 and decide not to give them exactly what was advertised(other then a working game).

 

[Chewster]

This is a pretty impressive albeit not especially surprising bed shitting from Bethesda and I hope they suffer fully for all the drama and hilarious stupidity that has come along with Fallout 76.

On the other hand, Collector's Editions of games are almost always a scam, come with worthless plastic nonsense we don't need so why the hell are people even still buying them?

Last one I bought was Persona 5 and the biggest thing that came with it was a bag that came as advertised and I use it for trips. Rest was a steel book, cd and a cool box I put my magic cards in

I mean, that sounds all right but a lot of the ones I've seen haven't really had anything especially useful IMHO. The last I bought was maybe Grand Theft Auto IV (I got sucked in by the hype) and it came with a flimsy lock box, a small, thin duffel bag that could barely carry anything and an unimpressive art book. I didn't really need any of it. I don't think I ever really used any of it either.

A lot of them seem like a bit of a rip off.