Fallout New Vegas: The Post-Benny Syndrome

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Rule Britannia

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I enjoyed the game anyway but I think you're right, if the game focused entirely on you trying to kill Benny I think it could have been more fun.
 

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Kair said:
I thought Fallout New Vegas had an unfulfilling plot, where the mood of action and consequence was like a bad rip off The Witcher, where everything goes to hell whatever you do. As opposed to The Witcher, in New Vegas' cynical world you can smell the American views of the world (which is a short-sighted and faulty view of the world and humanity). One clear example is the NCR, supposedly 'good guys' only because they wish to restore a pre-apocalypse American society.

NV does not get boring after you kill Benny, it gets boring and downright insulting after you realize what Obsidian did to Fallout.
Not enough shiny things to satisfy your ritalin-addicted brain?

I'm sure there's a mod somewhere that adds more shiny stuff, interesting theme-park-like locations, more explosions and FUNNAY SHIT, all that you so crave.
 

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Vern5 said:
I'm sure a lot of you who have played Fallout New Vegas have noticed this problem and some of you who are playing right now might even be feeling the effects of it. FNV Post-Benny Syndrome is a real problem.

FNV Post-Benny Syndrome, as some of you have probably already guessed, is the feeling of boredom and "why bother?" that sets in right after you've finally caught up with Benny and ended him. As soon as you see Benny's broken ragdoll plummet to the floor, your brain feels the rush of finally having caught up with the smug bastard and showed him how to really execute someone!

But then what? After that initial ecstatic boost, the game seems to drag. Without Benny, FNV loses its life as an involving narrative (the narrative being "this guy shot you now shoot him back") and becomes a race to see who you want to back as ruler of the Mojave. But there's no real direct link between you and this new story. Besides technically living in the Mojave, you don't really have a personal reason for choosing who rules it (unless you enjoy that sort of thing, I guess) and there's no pressing concern that the ruler of the Mojave will be chosen at random without you if you decide to ignore that plot.

So that's Post-Benny Syndrome in a nutshell. When I was thinking of this "affliction" the game seems to carry, the obvious sequel to that thought was "what could have been done differently to keep the syndrome from setting in?"

So, Escapists, can you think of anything that would have staved off the boredom that sets in directly after you've put Benny down?
I never experienced this because I never wanted to get Benny in the first place. Since I'm fundamentally a coward I thought, that dude shot me? Fuck going after him, I only barely survived being shot the first time!

Though I was motivated into crushing the Legion, but after seeing the mess that was the NCR and the dick that was Mr. House I ended up

disposing them all and ruling Vegas myself. I like to think as a communist regime, take that Mister House!
 

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Snowalker said:
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It is the same thing that happened in 1, 2 and New Vegas. The game starts a bad thing happens (shot in the head, Water chip fails, etc) you go to fix it in the 1/3 of the game and you find out about a bigger issue (Super mutants, Enclave, conflict in New Vegas) and then you have to fix that even bigger problem in the last 2/3. I never had an issue with it.
Same thing with 3 too, it just flowed better and made you care. Find dad, oh wait, water is shitty, fix water.
Ug, screw 3, maybe the progression was good, but frankly the story was stupid. Find dad, fair enough. Fix water with the GECK, even though the GECK completely regenerates lands and therefore would make clean water and fertile ground and greenry and stuff if you didn't stick it in the bloody purifier. Then watch as Colonel Autumn rebels against Eden, and decides to turn on the purifyer to purify the water and you try to stop him because... you want to purify the water as well?

Oh, and fuck Little Lamplight.
 

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Actually, the death of Caesar gave more pleasure than killing Benny. By that point, murdering Benny was just to tie up a loose end : to eliminate a player that could double-cross me later on. Killing Caesar was monumental for me. The guy was a monstrous asshole who would of enslaved most of the population and raped all the women. I could see what happened to Boon's wife happening to Veronica, Cass, and every other female character in the game, so I thought, "This douche has to go."

I will always remember popping a stealth boy, sneaking into his tent, and blowing him to smithereens with my sniper rifle, right in front of his guards. I then proceeded to murder every Legionary in the encampment

For me, killing Caesar was the highlight of the game
 

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The problem is that you never give a shit about the plot as there is no real cost or weight to your choice just a few shitty slides telling you shit you do not really care about and they didn't even use Ron Perlman for most of it and that is a ending? what a load of bollocks how can you not learn from fallout 3 mistakes? yeah you did a few things good but the rest was shit why give a choice when you do not have to accept the consequences that's not a choice just a rouse from a lazy developer. RPG plus choice no ending just a cause and effect of your actions when that does not matter why bother?
 

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Nope, not really. Shot him and then continued to wage my one-man war against everyone.
 

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Jove said:
Kair said:
NV does not get boring after you kill Benny, it gets boring and downright insulting after you realize what Obsidian did to Fallout.
Thisx1000.

Seriously despite both of them still being good games, they still messed up Fallout NV and KOTOR 2.
Agreed i will never forgive them they are what treyarch are to COD
 

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Jove said:
pandorum said:
Jove said:
Kair said:
NV does not get boring after you kill Benny, it gets boring and downright insulting after you realize what Obsidian did to Fallout.
Thisx1000.

Seriously despite both of them still being good games, they still messed up Fallout NV and KOTOR 2.
Lets not forget battlefield 2 but agreed
Damn i forgot about that one. Seems whatever popular franchise falls on Obsidian's lap, they pretty much half-ass the sequel.
i will never forgive them they are to RPGs to what treyarch are to COD
 

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I wanted to punch that smug bastard's teeth in for wearing the most hideous suit ever just like everyone else but that wasn't really my driving force. As you can probably guess from how many side quests I took while walking to Vegas I had other reasons to move. Also, isn't the mystery of Victor and then Mr. House enough to at least make you want to explore that while in Vegas? (Maybe if his name was Dr. House it'd be more interesting).
 

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Jove said:
pandorum said:
Jove said:
Kair said:
NV does not get boring after you kill Benny, it gets boring and downright insulting after you realize what Obsidian did to Fallout.
Thisx1000.

Seriously despite both of them still being good games, they still messed up Fallout NV and KOTOR 2.
Lets not forget battlefield 2 but agreed
Damn i forgot about that one. Seems whatever popular franchise falls on Obsidian's lap, they pretty much half-ass the sequel.
Disagree completely. I'd argue if LucasArts didn't force them to rush it, KOTOR would have been much better than KOTOR 1. As it stands, I still say it's about equal. Much better writing and story, if a bit buggy.
 

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AlternatePFG said:
Jove said:
pandorum said:
Jove said:
Kair said:
NV does not get boring after you kill Benny, it gets boring and downright insulting after you realize what Obsidian did to Fallout.
Thisx1000.

Seriously despite both of them still being good games, they still messed up Fallout NV and KOTOR 2.
Lets not forget battlefield 2 but agreed
Damn i forgot about that one. Seems whatever popular franchise falls on Obsidian's lap, they pretty much half-ass the sequel.
Disagree completely. I'd argue if LucasArts didn't force them to rush it, KOTOR would have been much better than KOTOR 1. As it stands, I still say it's about equal. Much better writing and story, if a bit buggy.
All of Obsidians games are buggy explain that? the writing was done by Lucas Arts and they gave a half complete game to them and they still faild big time they have proved they cannot cope in the big league's yet no one seems to learn just like Uwe Boll, your suppost to get better over time not worse
 

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pandorum said:
AlternatePFG said:
Jove said:
pandorum said:
Jove said:
Kair said:
NV does not get boring after you kill Benny, it gets boring and downright insulting after you realize what Obsidian did to Fallout.
Thisx1000.

Seriously despite both of them still being good games, they still messed up Fallout NV and KOTOR 2.
Lets not forget battlefield 2 but agreed
Damn i forgot about that one. Seems whatever popular franchise falls on Obsidian's lap, they pretty much half-ass the sequel.
Disagree completely. I'd argue if LucasArts didn't force them to rush it, KOTOR would have been much better than KOTOR 1. As it stands, I still say it's about equal. Much better writing and story, if a bit buggy.
All of Obsidians games are buggy explain that? the writing was done by Lucas Arts and they gave a half complete game to them and they still faild big time they have proved they cannot cope in the big league's yet no one seems to learn just like Uwe Boll, your suppost to get better over time not worse
The writing wasn't done by Lucas Arts, are you mad? Don't make up shit just to prove your point because it's not working. Publishers do not develop any part of the game, they just publish it. KOTOR 2 pretty much improved upon every mechanic from the first game, it was just rushed Lucas Arts to release and was unfinished. Their development time little more than a year. And awfully short time to make a game, don't you think? Yeah, it was pretty damn buggy, I think it goes without saying that pretty much every Obsidian game is buggy. KOTOR 2 pretty much improved every mechanic from the first KOTOR, if you argue otherwise, I'll point you out to the crafting system, better combat and added feats that give you different ways of playing your character.
 

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AlternatePFG said:
pandorum said:
AlternatePFG said:
Jove said:
pandorum said:
Jove said:
Kair said:
NV does not get boring after you kill Benny, it gets boring and downright insulting after you realize what Obsidian did to Fallout.
Thisx1000.

Seriously despite both of them still being good games, they still messed up Fallout NV and KOTOR 2.
Lets not forget battlefield 2 but agreed
Damn i forgot about that one. Seems whatever popular franchise falls on Obsidian's lap, they pretty much half-ass the sequel.
Disagree completely. I'd argue if LucasArts didn't force them to rush it, KOTOR would have been much better than KOTOR 1. As it stands, I still say it's about equal. Much better writing and story, if a bit buggy.
All of Obsidians games are buggy explain that? the writing was done by Lucas Arts and they gave a half complete game to them and they still faild big time they have proved they cannot cope in the big league's yet no one seems to learn just like Uwe Boll, your suppost to get better over time not worse
The writing wasn't done by Lucas Arts, are you mad? Don't make up shit just to prove your point because it's not working. Publishers do not develop any part of the game, they just publish it. KOTOR 2 pretty much improved upon every mechanic from the first game, it was just rushed Lucas Arts to release and was unfinished. Their development time little more than a year. And awfully short time to make a game, don't you think? Yeah, it was pretty damn buggy, I think it goes without saying that pretty much every Obsidian game is buggy. KOTOR 2 pretty much improved every mechanic from the first KOTOR, if you argue otherwise, I'll point you out to the crafting system, better combat and added feats that give you different ways of playing your character.
Huh? the official website says different oh well they were given the same engine with all the kinks smoothed out and then make it un-playable if they spent more time with the game play rather than jacking off all the time, its a sequel not an original IP a year is more than enough if they could not have kept up with demand they should have not botherd.
 

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pandorum said:
Huh? the official website says different oh well they were given the same engine with all the kinks smoothed out and then make it un-playable if they spent more time with the game play rather than jacking off all the time, its a sequel not an original IP a year is more than enough if they could not have kept up with demand they should have not botherd.
Do you even know how publishing works? Publishers release the game, the developer does all of the work. A year is not enough to make a game period, no matter how you slice it. LucasArts didn't even let them patch the game after it was released, and you still haven't argued with my other points. And the bugs don't make the game unplayable, now you're just fucking exaggerating. It's buggy but the bugs don't ruin the rest of the game, have you even given the game a chance, instead of going "It's an Obsidian game, it's shit by default".
 

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AlternatePFG said:
pandorum said:
Huh? the official website says different oh well they were given the same engine with all the kinks smoothed out and then make it un-playable if they spent more time with the game play rather than jacking off all the time, its a sequel not an original IP a year is more than enough if they could not have kept up with demand they should have not botherd.
Do you even know how publishing works? Publishers release the game, the developer does all of the work. A year is not enough to make a game period, no matter how you slice it. LucasArts didn't even let them patch the game after it was released, and you still haven't argued with my other points. And the bugs don't make the game unplayable, now you're just fucking exaggerating. It's buggy but the bugs don't ruin the rest of the game, have you even given the game a chance, instead of going "It's an Obsidian game, it's shit by default".
You miss understand me i firmly believe in Obsidian creating there own IP not piggy backing off other IPs if they could not of handled the small time constraints and demands they should not have signed the contract in the first place i am not defending Lucas Arts fanboy or bashing Obsidian they are like Treyarch have the best intentions but nine times out of ten they are over their heads you may think KOTOR2 is better but fact not just my opinion many many people agree KOTOR is better overall