Far Cry 3 Anamolies

[blindthrall]

So I just finished Far Cry 3 and...there's alot that doesn't add up. Spoilers obviously.

1. The Chinese Compass. Jason even says it's "some magical shit" to which Buck, who must also be seeing this, doesn't comment. Does Buck already know it's magic? Why shoehorn magic into a plot that up until now has been realistic, sometimes brutally so? It doesn't make sense thematically. Was it just another hallucination from one of the many drugs Jason is on by now? Probably not since Buck sees the compass glowing, he just doesn't care. Is Buck hallucination, the depraved homosexual terror that wants to stick your bum? He does have an odd habit of just appearing and disappearing like a rapist Batman. If so, who raped Keith?

2. The Ink Monster. Let's assume that it wasn't real, even though in this game, I wouldn't put it past it for that thing to be physically there. It's probably a hallucination of sex with Citra. She's in the same position, above you, that the monster was. Replay that section and tell me they're not fucking while that's going on. But going by the pictographs she shows you beforehand, the monster is...

3. Vaas. How much of a falling out did he and his sister actually have? Vaas stabs you with a knife you had last given to Citra. She sends you on a mission to rescue Rakyat...that turn out to be Vaas. Jason never asks about the shitty intel. Citra is just as crazy as her brother. Was this all a way to test you, to see if you were stronger than her brother? It's implied Vaas was tested the same way, but didn't complete it. Maybe Vaas realized how fucked up his sister was and bailed, especially if part of the ritual involved fucking. But how dead is Vaas? His eyes turn to look at you after he hits the floor. You wake up back at the place you were before you magically teleported. For awhile I was sure that Jason and Vaas were the same person, and I'm still not entirely sure that's wrong. You never see a body. Speaking of that. where's Hoyt's corpse? It also makes Citra stabbing Jason make more sense, out of revenge.

4. Knowledge Of Willis due to hallucination. If everything was just a drug induced trip, how did he know Willis would lead him to the knife? Dennis and the Rakyat don't know Willis is there. This implies the things the drugs show Jason are more or less true.

 

[kazann]

1. That too was a hallucination, buck replies with a "huh, what".

2. not too sure, i vaguely remember this, I assumed the monster was a hallucination though the fucking was real?

3. Citra and Vaas were both crazy, Citra never really needed to be saved and the whole thing is a commentary on the princess rescuing complex that permeates the medium. The reality was that citra created a ritual to find a sperm donor.

4. Not actually too sure about this one.

Farcry 3 was an excellent game however and is one of those games where you really need to pay attention, esp. to the Alice in wonderland quotes.

 

[Tdoodle]

So I just finished Far Cry 3 and...there's alot that doesn't add up.

The idea was that Jason is an unreliable narrator, someone from Hollywood with a Hollywood mindset and going through all kinds of emotional trauma and tripping major balls on who-knows-what from the get go, so it kind of makes sense that nothing really adds up.

I know it's a bit of a cheap explanation, and personally I think they could have made a bit more of an effort to make it obvious in the game's narrative (the lead writer claims it should be obvious from the Alice in Wonderland quotes in the loading screens, but I think that's a bit of a cop-out, like when people said the terminals and novels filled in the holes in Halo 4's story) but that's what it's all about.

 

[Tom_green_day]

Thinking about it, that's true. Another thing:
On the intel page or whatever its called of the main menu the first selection is talking about the person sending you the intel and it says he'll contact you at a later date. I realise this could be Willis but would he not mention it?
Another thing: If the 'gang' were on holiday on Rook Island... Why? There's no-where there that screams 'Holiday resort for the 1%' to me. It's no surprise they were caught I guess.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

Everyone on that island is insane. Jason is also insane. More so than anyone else because he just goes along with everyone's insanity instead of going off the island to contact fuckin' authorities which is what everyone in his shoes would have done.

Do you think that American government wouldn't react to their citizens being kidnapped by pirates? What happened to the last pirates who abducted American citizens? Do you remember?

 

[deviltry]

Who cares about story, just go and stab someone, will ya?

 

[Coach Morrison]

Thinking about it, that's true. Another thing:
On the intel page or whatever its called of the main menu the first selection is talking about the person sending you the intel and it says he'll contact you at a later date. I realise this could be Willis but would he not mention it?
Another thing: If the 'gang' were on holiday on Rook Island... Why? There's no-where there that screams 'Holiday resort for the 1%' to me. It's no surprise they were caught I guess.

You missed one of the flashback sequences then. They meet a guy in Thailand who recommended that they go there if they wanted some super adrenaline activities. I think he also worked for the slavery ring so it was a set up.

For the OP's questions, I think Tdoodle said it best, Jason was tripping balls throughout all this, who knows how much of it was real, hell his tattoo magically grows when you get skills.

 

[Dark Water]

1. The Chinese Compass.

Not 100% but I thought it was a hallucination. (I thought i heard a "what?" from Buck after Jason said that)


2. The Ink Monster.

This happened after Citra gave him the drugs from the bottle and the fight was based on the story of the warrior and the giant that got told from the pictograms. I took it as Jason getting over his inhibitions about killing and trying to become "the warrior". The sex was Citra deciding that she "loves" jason and takes advantage of his drugged up state.


3. Vaas.

I only ever saw Vaas using a combat type knife. As for the mission I figured though Vaas is insane he was fairly smart and so leaked the information to the tribe and set the trap for Jason so he could get rid of him. As for jason and Vaas being the same person ... That's a fair one i guess. Didn't think of that while i was playing.


4. Knowledge Of Willis due to hallucination.

I took this with a pinch of salt and figured it as the same type of "spirit journeys" that you see in african tribes etc(which kinda fits). As for Dennis not knowing about Willis, there was a line after the mission where you burn the drugs that goes something like "you ever go out into the field?" "nahh not me i just sent my guys out", this and Sam's entry in the handbook (seeing as its written from Willis' perspective) talking about "sending them out into the jungle" gave me the impression that Willis stuck in the village and let his agents do the field work.

This is all just my opinion though so it could be horribly wrong.

 

[sXeth]

So I just finished Far Cry 3 and...there's alot that doesn't add up. Spoilers obviously.

1. The Chinese Compass. Jason even says it's "some magical shit" to which Buck, who must also be seeing this, doesn't comment. Does Buck already know it's magic? Why shoehorn magic into a plot that up until now has been realistic, sometimes brutally so?

Ya know, I don't really get why people complain about the realism in this game, when within 10 minutes you've survived diving off a few hundred feet into the ocean, and when you wake up, you get an explicitly magical self-growing tattoo that gives you superpowers. Its pretty clear from the outset there that either magic is real, or the main character is off in some sort of hallucination/coma dream,afterlife/what have you

 

[Uszi]

I think we're supposed to think that Jason imagined the whole thing. But the flawed execution makes it more of a question than its meant to be.

I think one of the scenes that took me out of the game was Jason shooting a grenade launcher out of the back of a Jeep while Lisa drove. Lisa has just been manhandled by a bunch of psychotic pirates, and all of the sudden she's a stunt driver that isn't phased at all by her boyfriend murdering dozens of people with grenades.

Still a lot of fun to do stealth take downs. Still trying to prefect the drop from a hang glider onto an enemy take down. I'm sure it's possible.

 

[DazZ.]

all of the sudden she's a stunt driver that isn't phased at all by her boyfriend murdering dozens of people with grenades.

Well she is, as she goes "You're killing people?", "How am I supposed to be calm whilst they're shooting at me" and "I can't do this".

 

[creatorx2]

One of the very first things you do in that game is go up to a radio tower. At the base of the radio tower there is a snake. It bites you, almost inevitably, because it's night and you can't see anything. In the handbook it said the snake is venomous.
Therefore, I declare that everything up to that point was real, and the rest was a venom-induced hallucination while Mr. Brody dies painfully in Amanaki village.

 

[blindthrall]

One of the very first things you do in that game is go up to a radio tower. At the base of the radio tower there is a snake. It bites you, almost inevitably, because it's night and you can't see anything. In the handbook it said the snake is venomous.
Therefore, I declare that everything up to that point was real, and the rest was a venom-induced hallucination while Mr. Brody dies painfully in Amanaki village.

My pet theory is that you die in the cave under Dr Earnhart's. Tripping balls in a dark cavern isn't a good idea.

I'm partial to the idea that, if we accept that 80% of the game is happening, the islandsthemselves are driving people mad, even without the drugs. Hence why Willis, who's actually one of the most stable people you meet, won't go into the jungle. Why the Chinese expedition ending in megalomania. Why the Japanese all killed each other. Hell, why the wildlife is dead set on murdering you. There's some mention of weaponizing animals in the later japanese journals, but that's dropped. I thought it would actually explain this cat's cradle of plot threads.

 

[blindthrall]

Still a lot of fun to do stealth take downs. Still trying to prefect the drop from a hang glider onto an enemy take down. I'm sure it's possible.

I can confirm that, did a hit quest that way.

 

[blindthrall]

I only ever saw Vaas using a combat type knife.

He definitely stabs you with the chinese dagger, I've played it twice and I was keeping an eye out the second time.

 

[Rednog]

I chalk up the plot problems due to what I assume was a sudden change in the direction of the game's creation. If you look at all the teaser stuff from early in development they say that Jason was supposed to be this guy backpacking across the world and he stumbled upon the atrocities of the island and got caught up in the mess. Also there were a few scenes between Vass and Jason that were shown in these previews/teasers but never made it too the game. It makes me wonder if they showed an early build to one of the higher ups and they didn't like it so the team was forced to scrap and salvage what they could.

 

[Jamous]

It all seems to fit quite neatly as hallucination to me. The first hallucination scene under Earnheart's is clearly caused by drugs as are most of them afterwards, bar a couple. The Ink Monster certainly is.

I can certainly see what you mean about the compass but it seems to just fit with Jason slowly going further and further 'down the rabbit hole' so to speak. Probably just some Chinese mechanical trick (They -do- have mechanical doors operated by switches and stuff, surely having a clockwork compass or something wouldn't be too bad) but because it's ancient as Jason's high as fuck he sees all the glowing stuff.

Vaas seems to embody a lot of the insanity on the Island, perhaps infecting most of the people he meets? I'm not really sure about that one. I'll play to the very end before I answer that properly. Somewhere on the second Island atm. As for him stabbing you with the dagger, you could have already been betrayed by Citra (you said she stabs you at the end?) or it could be another Hallucination by Jason, who, as we've said, is off his tits on drugs.

Either way; the Alice quotes do suggest reality is just slightly off kilter. Maybe that's a cheap way of doing things but it does seem to add up quite nicely to me.

 

[Amaror]

One of the very first things you do in that game is go up to a radio tower. At the base of the radio tower there is a snake. It bites you, almost inevitably, because it's night and you can't see anything. In the handbook it said the snake is venomous.
Therefore, I declare that everything up to that point was real, and the rest was a venom-induced hallucination while Mr. Brody dies painfully in Amanaki village.

What are you talking about?
When i played the game it was a bright shiny day, the snake was easily seen and shot before i got in it's range.
It would be pretty stupid to base your story on something that does not have to happen.

 

[blindthrall]

I've no problem with a game being composed in no small part of hallucination, but show me at some point before the credits what was real and what wasn't. Anything else I consider the story equivalent of 'a wizard did it'.