Far Cry 3 and The Rape of Jason Brody

[AVeryClassyCat]

Certainly a disturbing scene. Kind of upset that I have yet to be able to afford this game since it's apparently really well done.

I guess one of the biggest problems I see with discussion of rape with male victims is the idea that rape is something that comes with a certain amount of feminization of the male victim, which I think would be the root of a lot of the stigma associated with it (this would be a point in favor of the feminist and gender activist's work of deconstructing aversion to perceived femininity). Also, these kinds of discussions have the distinct probability of bringing out anti-feminists who think that since feminism focuses primarily on structural oppression toward women that it is wholly rendered unnecessary by just the acknowledgement of male victimization in molestation/rape. This isn't to say that the discussion shouldn't exist, as it really should. We should be talking about this stuff, and I'm glad people are doing so.

One thing to keep in mind though is how the gender of the victim impacts cultural responses, and where those responses are actually coming from. Addressing the unique concerns of rape with female victims, which makes up a majority of sexual violence crime, isn't a denial of male victimization. Surely we need to open the discussion on one end, but in doing so try not to denigrate the good work of others. We have to tackle these issues with respect to both the similarities and the differences within the context of our society and its views on gender and sex.

 

[ClockworkUniverse]

Also, these kinds of discussions have the distinct probability of bringing out anti-feminists

Yeah, I was kind of concerned about whether this thread would go in that direction, which is why I've mostly been keeping my comments on the subject of how the scene relates to the game's narrative, rather than to society as a whole.

 

[Xdeser2]

Once again, someone over thinking Far Cry 3

Count me out

 

[Frank_Sinatra_]

This wasn't an issue because it's only sexist when men do it. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JA4EPRbWhQ&t=3m14s] (Link has a lot of swearing BTW)
In my opinion it's a crime that this wasn't addressed more and speaks to how society is more pro-feminist and slightly misandric now a days.

So what do you think? Why has this act gone unnoticed by many players and the gaming media? What do you think of the scene itself?

Well, a couple of things spring to mind.

1) Most male players would wanna bang Citra anyway, she's quite well put together if you get my meaning.

2) It's FC3's intention to 'rape' the player. The writers would see it as subverting the usual 'sexy antagonist' cliche. Doesn't work though, because FC3 is overall just not clever enough.

1.) So? Just because someone is attractive that doesn't excuse rape. Do we excuse rape if the male attacker is attractive?

2.) Even if that wasn't the games intention to make us think about a man being raped, it still doesn't make it okay.

 

[Denamic]

I think the very reason that scene is in the game to begin with is precisely because of the gender discrepancy, to bring attention to just how our skewed our views are on the subject. We freak out when Lara Croft almost gets raped, but there barely a mention when Jason Brody actually does get raped? Why, because we're men and should suck it up, and we probably wanted to do Citra anyway?

Well, I don't even really care about the rape in any case. Non-consensual sex is far less offensive than non-consensual death in my book.

 

[Kopikatsu]

This isn't entirely relevant to the topic brought up by the OP, but I'm always amused by the fact that the most outrage about things like this is about the fact that there is no outrage.

The abusive girlfriend app is a good example of this, too. It's never "We're upset about this" but "Why aren't we upset about this?"

 

[Kopikatsu]

Rape isn't rape when it's female on male from a legal perspective unless it's penetrative. Have we now cleared this up? You're on about sexual assault or trespass of the person. Why is it only rape when it's penetrative? Because you're invading someone else's body unconsented, I assume. That's quite a big deal.

Just to further clarify, in most districts (if not all of them), penetration with non-genitalia (Sex aid, broom handle, what have you) is only sexual assault as well. Has to be a penis for it to be rape.

That distinction kicked up quite the big stink during the Duke Lacrosse scandal.

 

[Irridium]

I spoke with a friend of mine who had just beaten the game and I asked him what he thought about the first case, as far as I can remember anyway, of male rape in a video game.

Just want to point out the main character in FEAR 2 gets raped. She does it to get pregnant and... well it's all pretty fucked up.

Just wanted to point that out. As for Far Cry 3, I haven't gotten to that scene or to the scene with Kieth, so I'll withhold judgement for now, but it all sounds pretty messed up.

 

[Zealous]

Yes, I got in a rape thread before boots!

Anyway, I'd have to agree with you on your reasoning why it's gone unnoticed by the gaming press and gamers in general. Simply put, female on male rape isn't really regarded the same way as male on female rape in most cases.

Most people seem to assume that all guys always are constantly looking for sex, so if someone rapes them (especially if it's an attractive woman) then it's all good because they were looking for sex. Emotional and psychological scarring? Who gives a fuck about that, the guy just got some without any effort. Brofive!

Gotta love double standards.

 

[sethisjimmy]

I don't think it's such a big double standard that everyone ITT is talking about. Yes if it were a female protagonist there would be an uproar, but I don't consider that particularly unjustified. Mainly because statistically, rape of females is a waaaay bigger problem than female on male rape. As in, female on male rape is less than 1 percent of all rapes to occur. Even male on male rape occurs far less than male on female.

Not that it makes the act any less terrible when it occurs, but there's really no use pretending female on male rape is an equal societal problem as the reverse.

 

[Loonyyy]

1) She's wearing a skirt.
2) Jason is wearing pants, and I don't recall him pulling them up and zipping up his fly afterwards.

Whatever your problem with it: You have to make a lot of assumptions which are contradicted by the source to call it rape.

 

[The_Lost_King]

This wasn't an issue because it's only sexist when men do it. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JA4EPRbWhQ&t=3m14s] (Link has a lot of swearing BTW)
In my opinion it's a crime that this wasn't addressed more and speaks to how society is more pro-feminist and slightly misandric now a days.

So what do you think? Why has this act gone unnoticed by many players and the gaming media? What do you think of the scene itself?

Well, a couple of things spring to mind.

1) Most male players would wanna bang Citra anyway, she's quite well put together if you get my meaning.

2) It's FC3's intention to 'rape' the player. The writers would see it as subverting the usual 'sexy antagonist' cliche. Doesn't work though, because FC3 is overall just not clever enough.

1.) So? Just because someone is attractive that doesn't excuse rape. Do we excuse rape if the male attacker is attractive?

2.) Even if that wasn't the games intention to make us think about a man being raped, it still doesn't make it okay.

1. I really doubt he was saying it was right. He was just saying why it was overpassed. You asked why it was overlooked not if it was right.

2. I was just mad about your reaction to one, soo...

 

[Soxafloppin]

This thread makes me feel bad.

I played the fuck out of FC3 and I somehow didn't bat an eyelid at this scene.

Probably says a lot about how we're conditioned to view things like this.

 

[Lonewolfm16]

Yes, I got in a rape thread before boots!

Anyway, I'd have to agree with you on your reasoning why it's gone unnoticed by the gaming press and gamers in general. Simply put, female on male rape isn't really regarded the same way as male on female rape in most cases.

Most people seem to assume that all guys always are constantly looking for sex, so if someone rapes them (especially if it's an attractive woman) then it's all good because they were looking for sex. Emotional and psychological scarring? Who gives a fuck about that, the guy just got some without any effort. Brofive!

Gotta love double standards.

Agreed. Honestly it is pretty much the male equivalent of the whole "she was a slut, so she wanted it." or "she was provocatively dressed, so she was clearly asking for it." argument, except promiscuity is assumed based on gender rather than previous behavior or dress.