Fat Shaming.

[BloatedGuppy]

Yeah, it seems obvious until you actually try it and then stop. It's amazing how much utter crap I eat without even realizing it and how differently I felt on and off the diet. Strangely, I never missed meat and, being a skinny fellow to begin with, didn't lose much weight at all. I tried it with an overweight person I know who lost 20 lbs on it. We did that about two months ago, then went back to eating convenient processed foods again and having Thanksgiving. However, the weight never came back on the overweight person. My weight stayed the same.

I've done shit as simple as "let's have a salad every now and then, a'ight?" and "maybe I just need ONE steak for dinner" and "no more pop for you, Chubbs!" and lost a good 10 lbs a month. It's been shown repeatedly that different diets all seem to function more or less identically as far as weight loss goes. The important thing is to pick something that you can feel more or less happy sticking with, and not hugely restrictive stuff that sees you gorge on a rebound.

 

[jklinders]

So if they are so very concerned over the amount of food an individual eats where are the cards for the gym rats who consume a days worth of food for breakfast in order to build muscle?

These cowardly fucks can eat shit and die. I would just love for some fuckwit to have the guts to actually try to hand me one of those, I would ensure he was shitting it out a few hours later.

 

[spartan231490]

"Attack." As an overweight man, unbunch your panties and lose some weight. Jesus, it's like the entire world is populated by kindergarteners. You're an adult, and they're random strangers, the fact that you let them get to you at all, let alone classify this as an attack, is a joke. At least pretend to actually be mature.

 

[DoPo]

if one stuffs one's gut with fruits and vegetables in unlimited quantities (with no butter and no oil), it's impossible not to lose weight because those foods can't contain enough calories to maintain obesity.

Umm, I find that really hard to believe. Like, it makes no logical sense at all when I try to process it. I'd like to read something more formal about it. Preferably not an entire book - are there any articles or papers on the matter?

http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/pdf/10.1089/met.2014.0027

Haven't read through it myself yet, but it looks like it echoes what he's said on his various podcast appearances.

Thanks for that, I'll give it a read - sounds interesting.

 

[Parasondox]

"Attack." As an overweight man, unbunch your panties and lose some weight. Jesus, it's like the entire world is populated by kindergarteners. You're an adult, and they're random strangers, the fact that you let them get to you at all, let alone classify this as an attack, is a joke. At least pretend to actually be mature.

Oh horse shit. It does not excuse their behaviour of being a massive arsehole. It could have been given to someone with severe mental health and comments like "you're an adult" and "be mature" is just covering up their shitty cowardist behaviour of abusing people just so they can feel some kind of pathetic self importance.

Defending that kind of action to harm others is clearly wrong.

 

[The Material Sheep]

"Attack." As an overweight man, unbunch your panties and lose some weight. Jesus, it's like the entire world is populated by kindergarteners. You're an adult, and they're random strangers, the fact that you let them get to you at all, let alone classify this as an attack, is a joke. At least pretend to actually be mature.

Oh horse shit. It does not excuse their behaviour of being a massive arsehole. It could have been given to someone with severe mental health and comments like "you're an adult" and "be mature" is just covering up their shitty cowardist behaviour of abusing people just so they can feel some kind of pathetic self importance.

Defending that kind of action to harm others is clearly wrong.

Nice straw man, but nothing I said even attempts to excuse their behavior. yeah, their behavior is douchy, so is what 90% of you fuckwads do when you're behind the wheel of a car. Part of being an adult and actually being mature is dealing with it when people are assholes to you. Not letting it turn you into a 5 year old and whining like the world owes you an apology.

Have to kind of agree with this. If the biggest problem in your life is someone left you a mean card on the subway and didn't do anything to you physically, you're probably doing pretty well for yourself. Fat acceptance also needs to go the way of the dinosaur really quickly. So while I think what these people did was extraordinarily misguided and needlessly hateful, societal acceptance for being far over weight is a far worse problem. Over consumption, the myriad of health problems associated with it and the burden it places on society/loved ones is far more an issue than feelings being hurt. Just is.

Was this the best way to go about attacking the fat acceptance movement? Not in the slightest, but it needs to be attacked.

 

[Batou667]

Yeah, it's a dickish thing to do, and I'll readily say that despite my incredibly low opinion of anybody who is ignorant or selfish enough to promote obesity, Fat Acceptance, HAES, oppose childhood anti-obesity, etc.

As a Londoner I'm often approached by people in or outside stations giving out religious literature. Sometimes they leave leaflets at bus stops where people will notice and read them. And some of the material contained within suggests stuff including: I'm a misguided person, my actions are sinful or immoral, I should change my ways or regret it. Plus the usual associations with misogyny and homophobia that follow those Abrahamic religions around like a bad smell.

So, why are fat shaming cards self-evidently wrong, but religious browbeating is OK?

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

I wonder how many people are going to read this card as "Beat the crap out of the person who handed it out."?

 

[Politrukk]

Being obese means you're sick in a way.

If you're obese because of your medicine you were afflicted from the get-go if you're obese from food, you've been eating too much of the wrong stuff and you've not done anything about it.

You only live once of course but don't ever pretend that what you're doing is good for you, good for your appearance or good for your self-esteem because it's all a big fat lie.


The reason fat shaming exists is because these people need help and if they are trying to convince you that they're healthy they need mental help.

Edit:

Insulting anyone and everyone is not okay, but the point about fat-shaming is that there is a lot of people who feel like they've been shamed when they've been factually called out on an extreme health risk.



Come on people when can we shake the damn idea that everyone is special and must be treated with mittens as to not hurt their feelings.

 

[Bat Vader]

Has shaming people ever actually helped anyone in the long run or at all? I feel like shaming does more harm than good.

 

[Kameburger]

Being fat is hard. It is not easy to lose weight and the cards are stacked against you in a very serious way. That being said, I don't think that it's impossible. That being said I resent this idea that people have no control over it or that it is impossible to lose weight, and this idea of Fat Acceptance that people are pushing is, I think, extremely dangerous. I, more than most, hate scare campaigns that lie because the ends justify the means. Smoking is the first example that comes to mind, but most drugs as well. That being said, obesity is extremely dangerous, and telling people that being fat is just ok and everyone else is wrong is just stupid. I admittedly get a regular kick of r/fatlogic.

However.

These people are assholes. I don't like the idea of Fat Acceptance because I was fat as a kid, and I had to work hard to over come it, and if someone had told me it was impossible I probably would have killed myself. When you're a pubescent middle school boy(or girl too for that matter), you recognize really quickly when the opposite sex doesn't find you attractive, or more accurately finds you repulsive. This is not something people tell you, it's just something that happens. Girls go around and hug all their guy friends, yet no one wants to touch you. Is it the same for everyone? I sure as hell hope not. But my point is, don't be an asshole.

Is it impossible to lose weight?
Absolutely not.
Is being fat bad?
Hell yes it is.
Do bad people deserve to be bullied?
Fuck no, these people are suffering on the inside, and maybe harder to lose than the fat itself are the scars that being fat can leave on you even after you've slimmed down.

So yeah, these guys can go to hell. There is no good in what they do.

 

[Kameburger]

Has shaming people ever actually helped anyone in the long run or at all? I feel like shaming does more harm than good.

Maybe contrary to my post above, I would say that being shamed can be a motivator, and it did motivate me at some point. That being said, it left a lot of mental scars. It's not without it's consequences, but it has helped me keep track in the long run and I never got back up to the weight I was when I was really bad pretty much because of those times.

 

[Ihateregistering1]

Has shaming people ever actually helped anyone in the long run or at all? I feel like shaming does more harm than good.

Most studies have shown that "fat shaming" doesn't work, and can even have the complete opposite effect.

Of course, what exactly constitutes 'shaming' is up for interpretation. Few will probably disagree that these guys are shaming fat people, but I've heard claims that when Doctors tell people they need to lose weight for their health, they are engaging in 'fat shaming', that the phrase "beach body ready' is 'fat shaming', and that even telling your significant other that you find their weight gain unattractive constitutes fat shaming. Whether any of those could have a weight loss end result, I don't know.

 

[The Material Sheep]

Has shaming people ever actually helped anyone in the long run or at all? I feel like shaming does more harm than good.

Well if you're doing something that is shameful perhaps someone addressing it is not out of the question. Would you not say that a person continually making choices that harm himself and place a burden on others is acting in a shameful way? Are you saying it's bad to confront someone with that reality? Sorry there are certain wasteful, belligerent, hateful and ridiculous behaviors that are shameful and do not need to be coddled with a veneer of societal acceptance.

 

[FavouriteDream]

Shaming someone for being fat is pointless. For starters, just because someone is fat doesn't mean they aren't actively losing weight. Imagine how you'd feel if you were working your ass off, exercising, dieting, etc and you were humiliated and shamed for being fat. You'd feel horrible. For some people, it might spur them on. For most people, it'd probably just make them feel completely worthless. I have two friends who are fat and both of them are trying and successfully losing weight. They don't just magically turn thin overnight - it takes a long time.

Secondly, being overweight also comes with an increased chance of depression. It wouldn't be a barrel of laughs to be widely regarded as gross and to be fat and heavy. The fat person you are shaming could have depression - and surely we all know that shaming people who are depressed is pretty much the worse tactic you can take.

Thirdly, even if someone isn't trying to lose weight and they aren't depressed - you still shouldn't shame or hate on them. When you make the decision to judge and criticise other people you end up saying more about yourself than you do about them. It's a negative, mean spirited thing to do that doesn't help.

No one thinks being fat is healthy. Everyone realises that when you're overweight you are at risk to health issues. Everyone realises that it's better to fall into the normal weight range. People who shame others for being fat aren't some wise edgey prophets delivering truth bombs to people - they're just negative. You aren't selling "tough love", you aren't creating a healthier society, you're just being mean!

Sorry there are certain wasteful, belligerent, hateful and ridiculous behaviors that are shameful and do not need to be coddled with a veneer of societal acceptance.

The topic of discussion is shaming someone for being overweight, don't create strawmen by saying shaming someone is okay if they are being hateful and belligerent and whatever other buzzwords you used. Of course there are extreme examples where shaming might be justified.

If you think shaming fat people is okay, come right out and say it. Don't hide behind buzzwords and imply fat people are hateful or a burden or whatever.

 

[MHR]

I hate the deluded thinking behind people that think it's okay or still somehow attractive being fat as much as the next guy, as long as the prick behind this card isn't the next guy. That's taking it too far.

At the very least, if you're going to be a dick, say it to their face so they at least have the option of knocking you out for being a collossal gaping asshole.

 

[stormtrooper9091]

I like the double standards, if this were a bunch of guys handing out cards to black people calling them out, they'd be arrested on the spot but since it's against fat people, it only causes minor outrage.

People really don't have anything better to do these days, ah the gloriously awesome first world problems

 

[DoPo]

Has shaming people ever actually helped anyone in the long run or at all? I feel like shaming does more harm than good.

Well if you're doing something that is shameful perhaps someone addressing it is not out of the question.

Is being a virgin shameful? Bad in some way? If not then why does "virgin shaming" exist?

 

[The Material Sheep]

Shaming someone for being fat is pointless. For starters, just because someone is fat doesn't mean they aren't actively losing weight. Imagine how you'd feel if you were working your ass off, exercising, dieting, etc and you were humiliated and shamed for being fat. You'd feel horrible. For some people, it might spur them on. For most people, it'd probably just make them feel completely worthless. I have two friends who are fat and both of them are trying and successfully losing weight. They don't just magically turn thin overnight - it takes a long time.

Secondly, being overweight also comes with an increased chance of depression. It wouldn't be a barrel of laughs to be widely regarded as gross and to be fat and heavy. The fat person you are shaming could have depression - and surely we all know that shaming people who are depressed is pretty much the worse tactic you can take.

Thirdly, even if someone isn't trying to lose weight and they aren't depressed - you still shouldn't shame or hate on them. When you make the decision to judge and criticise other people you end up saying more about yourself than you do about them. It's a negative, mean spirited thing to do that doesn't help.

No one thinks being fat is healthy. Everyone realises that when you're overweight you are at risk to health issues. Everyone realises that it's better to fall into the normal weight range. People who shame others for being fat aren't some wise edgey prophets delivering truth bombs to people - they're just negative. You aren't selling "tough love", you aren't creating a healthier society, you're just being mean!

Sorry there are certain wasteful, belligerent, hateful and ridiculous behaviors that are shameful and do not need to be coddled with a veneer of societal acceptance.

The topic of discussion is shaming someone for being overweight, don't create strawmen by saying shaming someone is okay if they are being hateful and belligerent and whatever other buzzwords you used. Of course there are extreme examples where shaming might be justified.

If you think shaming fat people is okay, come right out and say it. Don't hide behind buzzwords and imply fat people are hateful or a burden or whatever.

Being proud of being very fat is shameful. It absolutely is. To gain some sense of accomplishment and worth out of the fact you ate too much and don't exercise is the apex of our culture's need to validate every action and person regardless of their actual merit. It takes no disciplined work to be over weight. To be proud of it is delusional, and yes shameful.

Being over weight, or just fat isn't shameful however. You have to understand the consequences, and as long as you own those consequences or opt to do something about it, there is no shame in just being fat. It is what it is. Some people are naturally larger, and it is extraordinarily hard to get to be a stick like some people naturally are. I don't begrudge Boogie for being a really large man, because I know he's tried to cut down on it and I know he doesn't delude himself to the consequences of his weight. All respectable things.

However, I was speaking to the person I was quoting who was asking if shaming has ever worked in the long run. In which case I was presenting an argument that everyone believes some behaviors are shameful, and that most would find it inappropriate to not address those behaviors if they truly thought they were in fact shameful. In no way was I claiming that fat people were inherently belligerent or hateful. I was claiming that a society believing that a behavior is shameful, and thus looking down upon it can lead to benefit. Not always, but there are circumstances when it has lead to benefit.

 

[The Material Sheep]

Has shaming people ever actually helped anyone in the long run or at all? I feel like shaming does more harm than good.

Well if you're doing something that is shameful perhaps someone addressing it is not out of the question.

Is being a virgin shameful? Bad in some way? If not then why does "virgin shaming" exist?

Did I in anyway endorse virgin shaming? Perhaps you should stop projecting because my point in that argument was not that any one specific behavior was shameful, just that we all see some behaviors as shameful, and as a society this has had good and bad uses. If you truly don't think shame should ever be used or don't find any behavior shameful, I'd say you're lying to yourself or you have a very odd definition of the word.