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Dancingman

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There's one movie called "CSA: The Confederate States of America" that is based on what happened to America if the South won the Civil War. Funniest thing ever.
I love how wonderfully inaccurate it is, Confederacy dominates South America and converts it into a tropical empire, enslaves pretty much every non-white race with the exception of Jews, who, in gratitude for the services of Judah P. Benjamin, are confined to a reservation on Long Island. That their economy didn't utterly collapse is because they're fiendishly evil nd are cool enough to run an economy on metaphysical concepts.
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As for my favorite what ifs

What if Rome never fell? I suspect we'd see a Europe much more similar to China in terms of history, with dynasties and kingships rising and falling and an earlier colonization of America).

What if the Crusaders had taken the Mongols up on their offer for an alliance against the Middle East?

What if the Union had won the Civil War earlier than it did? The earlier it happens, the more likely that slavery is not abolished by the Union is preserved, it would have died later though due to sheer impracticality.

What if the Umayyads had won the Battle of Tours? We could see an Islamic-influenced France similar to what happened with Spain, fears of "all Europe being washed away by an Islamic tide" are not really steady, the Europeans would have raised more armies and driven them out eventually, probably would have strengthened the role of the Catholic church and racism in general among Europeans, I mean the French were pretty bad about that before, but they would be worse for wear if they got a taste of Muslim conquest.

(the old classic) what if Germany had won the Second World War?

What if Stalin had prepared adequately for Germany's invasion (A significantly less devastating world war, heightened Soviet aggression in the years that followed without the massive war destruction to hold it back)?

What if Hitler had attacked the Middle East instead of the Soviet Union (makes sense from a resource standpoint, a big thing about the Soviet invasion was taking the Caucasus oil reserves, German conquest of the Middle East could easily have done that)?

What if the Crusades had succeeded (not entirely implausible at times)?

What if the 1979 Iranian Revolution had never occured (an exceedingly pro-American monarchy staying in power, bankrolling pretty much any Israeli wars with ample supplies of Iranian oil).

What if America had become a monarchy (assuming that history follows pretty much the same course, we could see American monarchism arising as a third faction to European democracy and Soviet communism).

What if America had joined the Axis powers?

What if the fascist ideology had arisen in America and made us the first fascist nation?

What if the South had won? I take a more pragmatic approach than most, slavery would not last until the modern day, and the South would not conquer everyone. North and South would have an, at best tense coexistence probably not completely unlike the relationship of the two Koreas. Britain and France and all the other European powers would play the North and South against each other and stir things up so that they'd weaken each other through war and other means, leaving Europeans free to make the Americas their playground again.

What if Martin Luther King had been discredited and Malcom X's calls for violent black nationalism had been heeded? I can imagine a way worse civil rights movement and having people like Strom Thurmond or George Lincoln Rockwell getting elected on a fairly regular basis.

What if America had taken Berlin instead of the Soviet Union?
 

Hugh Mann

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mercenator3000 said:
Hugh Mann said:
mercenator3000 said:
What if the Big Bang or whatever you believe created Earth never happened?

Beat that!
That actually seems like a pretty cut and dried question, there wouldnt be an Earth
Exactly. Therefore nothing else being mentioned here would matter, cause it never would have existed.
Oh I see what you*head explodes*
 

Quiet Stranger

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Quiet Stranger said:
I hope Im not ninja'd....what if religion didn't exist at all? Oh wait, peace on earth
How about "what is god really did exist?" jk. Mine would be what if electricity never was discovered? We wouldn't be wasting life tweeting everyone what we just ate.
actually you raise an interesting point, what if IT (god's not a guy or girl, that's just stupid to think it is, I mean it's (okay well it doesn't exist anyways but for sake of argument) an omniscient force think about it) what if it created the universe and did everything and out humans on earth but just left there and didn't interfere in ANY way
 

Gizmo

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What if the USA never joined WW2?

What if Twilight was never written?
 

meowman

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What if Hitler had never been injured in the trenches? Would he have just grown up an ordinary war veteran?
What if the American revolution had failed? Would Bitain have colonised the rest of the world by now?
What if the Scottish parliment hadn't sold us out to the English? Would we now be a free, prosperous nation, or would the lack of free access to English technology have meant we never developed, and the world denied of such Scottiish inventions as the TV, Radio, Telephone, Improved Steam Engine and Radar?
What if Alexander the great hadn't died young?
What if Trosky had taken over where Lenin left off instead of Stalin?

There are many more. Sorry if I've taken one you used, it's not on purpose :)

EDIT: Looking through the post. Who says gamers aren't intelligent?
 

Paksenarrion

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What if Trotsky had become leader of the Soviet Union and not Stalin?

Trotsky was an entirley different person to Stalin. He had a different personality and had a different view of Communism. Nor did he have Stalin's paranoia. The USSR would have turned out VERY differently. The question is, how would it have turned out?
I've always wondered what would've happened if the mensheviks under Trotsky won.
 

Klarinette

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What if Yoko Ono's art piece said "No" instead of "Yes"? I'll tell you what: John would have been like, "Fucking rip off!!!" and walked away D:
 

merc hunter

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meowman said:
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EDIT: Looking through the post. Who says gamers aren't intelligent?
rekabdarb said:
What if you could divide by... ZERO!
There goes your theory meowman.
OT: What if britain succesfuly colonised ireland?
What if hiroshima and nagasaki never happened, would WW2 be extended?
 

Irony's Acolyte

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*Drools heavily*
Doth mine eyes deceive me? A "Historical What-If's" thread?
Okay time to whip out a couple of my favorites. (Note not all of them are original)

What if the Great Comprimise over the Constition had never happened?
What if Hitler hadn't been an anti-Semite?
What if George Washington was killed mid-Revolutionary War? (There was an instance where the only reason he wasn't shot while scouting about was that the possible assassin saw he was an officer but didn't recognize who and so out of gentlemanly conduct didn't fire.)
What if Communism had been crushed in Russia by the White Russians?
What if Rome had conquered the area of modern-day Germany?
What if the Russians had managed to invade Japan proper before the end of WWII?
What if potatoes had never been found in South America? (Don't laugh, it's actually a pretty big change. I read something on the effects of such an occurance in a book apply titled: "What If?" and it's surprising just how much an effect potatoes had on the development of Europe)
What if Fascist or Communism parties had gained major support in America before WWII?
What if Japan hadn't surrendered after two A-bombs (another close-call "what if?")

I tried to pose more realistic "what if?"s rather than ones like: What if magic were real? or What if aliens had made solid contact with Humanity at anytime during human history?
Edit: Not to say those aren't interesting questions but I like to look at history and imagine the close-calls going the other way. Thus my love of the Timeline 191/Southern Victory series by Harry Turtledove. Or any of his alternate history novels at all.
 

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Irony said:
*I tried to pose more realistic "what if?"s rather than ones like: What if magic were real? or What if aliens had made solid contact with Humanity at anytime during human history?
Edit: Not to say those aren't interesting questions but I like to look at history and imagine the close-calls going the other way. Thus my love of the Timeline 191/Southern Victory series by Harry Turtledove. Or any of his alternate history novels at all.
I love the Turtledove alternate history novels, althought I'm not sure if the Confederate states would have become fascist, but hey you never know.
 

Irony's Acolyte

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jad4400 said:
Irony said:
*I tried to pose more realistic "what if?"s rather than ones like: What if magic were real? or What if aliens had made solid contact with Humanity at anytime during human history?
Edit: Not to say those aren't interesting questions but I like to look at history and imagine the close-calls going the other way. Thus my love of the Timeline 191/Southern Victory series by Harry Turtledove. Or any of his alternate history novels at all.
I love the Turtledove alternate history novels, althought I'm not sure if the Confederate states would have become fascist, but hey you never know.
I know what you mean. It obviously was meant to parallel our own timeline roughly, but could see it happening what with the deeply-ingrained rascism down there. I imagine the C.S.A. might just fragment up even more as some of the states decided they wanted to do their own thing as that was the reason they seceded in the first place.
 

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So many mentioned, but not my favorite:

What if the rest of the world had actually listened to Wilson and his 14 Points at Versailles in 1919? And America had joined not only the League of Nations, but the League of Nations as it was supposed to be? (And France wasn't so intent on just screwing Germany over?)
Would there not have been a WW2? Would the Middle East be peaceful today with Israelis and Palestinians getting along?
 

Caiti Voltaire

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My favourite what if scenario is "What if christianity's crusades and other early shenanigans hadn't significantly diluted the variety of world spirituality?"
 

sagacious

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What if Zynga had beat valve?!?

*shudder*

btw: GO BIOWARE!! sorry valve, I love you, but we can never be more than friends.