FBI Executes Search Warrants on 40 Anonymous Members

[kir4]

I knew about one of the people who were arrested. Their stuff was seized by the FBI. FBI contacted me (consultant) to tell me that he had been VNC'ing his way through a client of mine grabbing up credit card approvals. Truth be damned there was LOIC in zombie mode. Dude needs to be in prison.

 

[Starke]

I guess those 40 anonymous members didn't know how to triforce. Otherwise, they wouldn't have got into this situation.

OT: Also, how do they know that the anonymous members are not using a botnet or a "zombie Computers/compromised computers" (Search it up) in order to do a DDoS? For all you know, they could be going after people who have no idea on what's going on. But then again, script kiddies do tend to not cover their tracks very well, if at all.

If they've got zombies, their systems will be useful for getting back to the actual individuals responsible. If they're not zombies then you've got origins for the attack. Someone trained in system forensics can tell the difference.

governments commit more crimes then any individual could ever dream of commuting so you post makes little sense

Governments are a body of people. So obviously more than one person can commit more crimes than one person can.

Besides, they aren't really that bad. Most of these "crimes" are necessities for everyone that doesn't look good in any light. Or else the government doesn't commit them.

you know what was saying that govermnet organisation commit more crime then any private organisaation in the history of man kind. and when you say "they are not really tha bad" I

point out the following govermnets as counter points
"the nazi regim during ww2 for obvious reasons, the soviet gov of the USSR whos leaders massacured tens of millions of their own people( not all directly murder but dead all the same), pol pot and his regim whom killed more then half of his people for random reasons gutting the middle class of his country, nero whom set part of his own empire on fire just b/c we wanted the land to build on,


for some modderen examples the govermnet of zimbabue under mugabe whom indulge in lavish life styles while the people stave and are in poverty. Kim Jon Ill and the NK government whom presue a suisidal military campain while masss brain washing his peole, the governments of Saudi Arabi and many other Arab countys whose leader deny civil right and occasionally morder their own citizens.


I could go on and literly fill up this whole page with governments that " are THAT BAD" but I think I have made my point, all of the thing I have listed all of these places are the different thing that can happen if we the people do not ekkp the government in our control.

And we have a Godwin sighting!

Okay, governments have been defined as a necessary evil. On one hand, yes you're right, governments are responsible for monumental crimes, not just individual ones, any government is guilty of something here or there, no matter it's intent. This does not revoke the necessity of some form of government, so what we're left with is the goal to minimize the amount of evil inflicted by a government (on anyone).

But here's the problem, the law isn't about evil. Law and morality are at best two attempts to reach the same goal, and at worst two completely separate entities with no bearing on each other.

So you can say that governments are criminal, and in some cases by some legal systems you're right, but it carries an implication that this means... well, anything, which it does not.

 

[Starke]

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well in their defense although true anonimity is impossilbe there are ways to make your swelf excedingly difficult to find and make it immpossibe for the FBI to prrove that you were involved. but as we have all said these are script kiddies and expecting them to take those steps is like expecting expert ballet from a three year old in a princess costume

Which is to say "hilarious?" Yeah, you are correct though. The underlying intent of the technology was never really anonymity however, and ultimately that works against them.

 

[Darks63]

The anonymous members dun goofed. It looks like the FBI...backtraced it. I guess they now know not to mess with the cyber police.

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on the 4th post

well done, that was amazing

To be fair it's not like the proxies they're championing are a really effective way to conceal where you are. It's a way to bypass an outgoing filter, but it doesn't really hide who you are from anyone with any actual training in network security, and that was never the intent behind the technology.

Anonymity on the internet is like an honest politician, it's an illusion that is only believed to exist under very simplistic modeling of the system as a whole.

some of these kids will more than likely be picked up by the FBI to work in said Cyber criminal division to hunt other hackers.

Sorry, I missed this first time round. And, nope, not happening. First these aren't the next generation's Kevin Mitnick, these are script kiddies, second a felony conviction will prevent you from getting a job with the FBI... or any governmental job... or any decent job, really... So, no, even if they were real hackers, which they aren't, they're going to spend the rest of their lives screwed over for this.

A felony conviction for things like... oh, I don't know... cyber-terrorism? This will prevent you from getting a job with your local Starbucks and it will also prevent you from voting. No, these guys are monumentally fucked.

Yeah Im am aware of that but if a Federal prosucuter makes a deal with someone they can knock charges down or erase them completly and Im also aware that none of these guys are likely to have the chops to make the FBI wanna try to recruit them but You never know.

 

[Starke]

snip again.

thats not fair the nazi thing was a small part of a larger post and was historically relivent to what i was asying.

I think you missing my point from what I read we are in agreement but your earlier post seem to sugest you are aginst people standing up to the government to keep it inline witch I fell is neccary although we are going to need groups farr less pathedic then anon to accomplish that goal.

To be fair, I was responding to the general comment about governments committing more crimes than any other entity. Yes, there are evil governments, and there are criminal ones. You then proceed to identify governments that are... or were... legal, and legally empowered to do what they did, but were undeniably evil. The Nazis and the Soviets are excellent examples, but the horrifying part of what they did isn't that it was evil, its that it was, under their laws completely legal.

The North Korean government is a legal government. The Saudis abide by their own laws. Now, it isn't right, it isn't good, but it is legal, and unfortunately these are not synonymous.

It's also worth mentioning that the United States government does a fairly decent job trying to align law with, if not morality, at least ethics. It doesn't always work, and there are some egregious failures, but the intent is good, even if the outcome (and the intent of the individuals involved) isn't always.

and occasionally morder their own citizens.

One does not simply rock into Mordor. Spellcheckers are your friend, also... proof reading might not be a bad idea either.

 

[nightwolf667]

Well, this was inevitable wasn't it?

They messed with the money, they posted people's credit card information online, and some of them have quite likely been practicing identity theft with the information they didn't release. If they did nothing else, all those things amount to federal crimes.

My advice to the members of Anonymous is get a lawyer, get one now, and get prepared. Master Card, Visa, Pay Pal, the MPAA, and Gene Simmons are on their coattails and I think they're going to be perfectly happy to sue you back to the stone age after the criminal proceedings are done.

 

[Starke]

Yeah Im am aware of that but if a Federal prosucuter makes a deal with someone they can knock charges down or erase them completly and Im also aware that none of these guys are likely to have the chops to make the FBI wanna try to recruit them but You never know.

Yeah, that's predicated on two assumptions. First that the federal prosecutor will want to deal these out with a sealed record. That could happen, theoretically. Though what an individual would have to offer up to receive such a deal? Fuck, I don't even know. They could hand the entire roster of anonymous members over with signed confessions for each and still not cross that threshold. So it's possible, but it's about as likely as aliens landing tomorrow at 6:23am EST in Hartford, CT, and giving us enough technology for us to go to the stars out of the goodness of their hearts.

As to the second... yeah, that's even less likely. The FBI as a general rule does not hire people because you can demonstrate a skill. The FBI likes people who are well educated, presentable, intelligent, resourceful, and physically fit. They also like ex-military because of the mindset and the training that imparts, but it isn't necessary. A four year degree is, however, and the list of conditions that will exempt someone from eligibility will stagger you. Finally there is a very specific age window (25-39). Meet all of those criteria and get the charges sealed and it might be theoretically possible, but does this really sound like the profile of a script kiddie to you?

EDIT as an aside, not that it matters, when it comes to an FBI background check for employment, or for that matter any government job, there is no such thing as a sealed record.

 

[Dark Knifer]

I am confused. Anonymous are mostly just trolls, and trolls strive for attention. So aren't they doing exactly what they wanted them to do?

 

[ionveau]

Its funny how on main stream gaming forums i see that almost 80% of the people agree with the power in charge while on lesser known forums
e.g Web tool forums, Hacking forums, Independent news websites e.g Real news network
People tend to have a more open minded approach to groups like this, maybe its because those forums attract more sophisticated persons rather then consumer sheep waiting to be told what to think.

 

[gphjr14]

Shouldn't the FBI be tracking down actual criminals? These are just people with too much time on their hands, with a slightly illegal way of purveying their message. I honestly see not too much wrong with that (until they start causing actual problems).

Well they finished their largest single day bust on the Italian mafia, so I guess they have some time to spare.

 

[JWAN]

Shouldn't the FBI be tracking down actual criminals? These are just people with too much time on their hands, with a slightly illegal way of purveying their message. I honestly see not too much wrong with that (until they start causing actual problems).

fucking with the FBI is illegal and stupid. They got exactly what they asked for.
Plus ID theft is a big no no. Especially draining peoples bank accounts.

 

[Motiv_]

like using the Army, tanks and all, to stop a riot.

Well, yeah, that is how you stop a riot.

Dammit, that's what I get for posting slightly buzzed. I meant protest. My mistake.

 

[JWAN]

Forty? Really? Just forty? You couldn't bring down Encyclopedia Dramatica down with forty LOIC users.

40 for now. besides they dont want the low ranking average hacker douche, they want the key players. and the best way to get at them is to get the info from whomever they take down first.

Besides, this is exactly what they should have expected. there is no such thing as complete anonymity.

 

[Gindil]

Shouldn't the FBI be tracking down actual criminals? These are just people with too much time on their hands, with a slightly illegal way of purveying their message. I honestly see not too much wrong with that (until they start causing actual problems).

fucking with the FBI is illegal and stupid. They got exactly what they asked for.
Plus ID theft is a big no no. Especially draining peoples bank accounts.

...

What?

First, yes, they took down the FBI website. I'll give you that. But seriously, they're script kiddies. There's no organization except to get angry at the nearest target. They're trolls. TROLLS! Now the FBI is making them martyrs for the Wikileaks cause.

Now where did the ID theft thing come from?

 

[Sejs Cube]

So the FBI goes for some low-hanging fruit in order to score some brownie points? Is that what I'm getting here?

Well, guess those 40 dun goofed.