FBI Gets Litigious With Wikipedia

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Aedes

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Andy Chalk said:
FBI Gets Litigious With Wikipedia


The Federal Bureau of Investigation [http://www.fbi.gov/] has threatened Wikpedia with legal action, saying that its use of the FBI logo on the agency's Wiki entry is a violation of the law that could result in a fine or imprisonment.

If you're reading this, then you have at least a passing familiarity with FBI [http://www.wikipedia.org], is a bit of a problem.

In a letter sent to Wikipedia's office in San Francisco, the FBI claimed that "unauthorized reproduction of the FBI Seal was prohibited by U.S. law" and warned that "whoever possesses any insignia... or any colorable imitation thereof... shall be fined... or imprisoned... or both."

The problem apparently stems from Wikipedia's use of the FBI logo in its entry. The image [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US-FBI-ShadedSeal.svg] is available in four resolutions, up to 2000x2060, which the Bureau claimed is "particularly problematic, because it facilitates both deliberate and unwitting violations of restrictions by Wikipedia users."

But Wikipedia attorney "Machine Gun" Mike Godwin said the G-men are barking up the wrong tree. "The enactment of [these laws] was intended to protect the public against the use of a recognizable assertion of authority with intent to deceive," he wrote in response to the Bureau's letter. "The seal is in no way evidence of any 'intent to deceive', nor is it an 'assertion of authority', recognizable or otherwise."

"We are compelled as a matter of law and principle to deny your demand for removal of the FBI Seal from Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons," he added. He also claimed that Wikipedia is "prepared to argue our view in court," although he did not comment on speculation that he and Wikipedia founder Jimmy "The Icepick" Wales were getting ready to blast their way out before the feds had them totally surrounded.

Source: BBC [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-10851394]




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Soooo sir Andy Chalk, you're defying the law by using the FBI logo on this post of yours? :p
 

Raziel_Likes_Souls

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Well, I guess David Duchovny and the FBI have even more in common: they're both sitting on their asses doing nothing useful.
Seriously, sueing Wikipedia? Taxpayer dollars could be used for something, like, I dunno, not re-enacting Vietnam in Iraq/Afganistan/Where ever the fuck the American Forces are.
 

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Formica Archonis said:
Andy Chalk said:
The image [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US-FBI-ShadedSeal.svg] is available in four resolutions, up to 2000x2060, which the Bureau claimed is "particularly problematic,
No one tell them an SVG is vector graphics and could be scaled up to 1,000,000x1,000,000 if a person wanted. ZOMG! Someone could label an entire COUNTRY with the FBI logo!

Andy Chalk said:
because it facilitates both deliberate and unwitting violations of restrictions by Wikipedia users."
As opposed to deliberate and unwitting violations of restrictions by every DVD owner who can screencap that bigass FBI logo they force us to sit through? (That is an FBI logo, right? I never actually LOOK at it.)
The point was the users misusing it. There is a lot of flak being given to companies these days about the misuse of the products they provide. It's not going to be long before someone tries to hold a gun manufacturer accountable for a shooting death.
 

Caiti Voltaire

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I was under the impression that Fair Use laws in the states allowed lower resolution images to be used for company logos etc. If this is correct, it would seem trivial to simply oversight the higher res images and just use a lower one. Or just put a replica or specimen watermark on it as is required for money.

It seems kind of silly on both fronts.
 

Formica Archonis

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The point was the users misusing it.
And if a person wants to misuse it, they'll misuse it. It's not like you can make said logo not exist or track every single use of it. The logo on their "about the seal" page is tiny, admittedly, but it could still be misused. It just seems odd to declare that something you distribute yourself shouldn't ever be distributed.
 

Echo136

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"Machine Gun" Mike Godwin and Jimmy "The Icepick" Wales? Is Wikipedia owned by the Mob?
 

Choppaduel

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You don't fck with Wikipedia.

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Jonluw said:
Really? How silly can the FBI be? I thought they were quite serious folks.

Haven't they got better things to do?
Its nice to see your tax dollars at work isn't it America?
 

Skuffyshootster

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Isn't it obvious?

There's a secret message,a-a-a code, perhaps, hidden inside the seal! It all makes sense now!

No wonder they don't want it readily available to the public!
 

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WinkyTheGreat said:
The FBI would probably shit themselves if they did a google search of "FBI Logo"...
Or the fact that you can generate your own version of the logo to say pretty much whatever you want.
http://www.signgenerator.org/logos/FBI/
Here's Mine!
http://www.images-graphics-pics.com/signs/logos/FBI/logo.asp?text=FUCKING+BRILLIANT+IMBECILES&time=1729
Pretty conclusive really...
 

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You know what this has made me realise? The FBI has a really crap logo.

I mean, what is that? A cactus hugging a chef's hat!?
 

Scde2

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FargoDog said:
Scde2 said:
I guess Wikipedia dun goofed and was backtraced by the cyber police.
This is the like the third time I've seen you reference that YouTube video..

OT: Don't Wikipedia have about 9 articles on Fair Usage and Copyright? If the FBI sue them then I'm fairly sure Wikipedia would win due to that face.

It's worrying when an online encyclopaedia knows more about laws than the FBI..
Hey, if the reference works. : /

OT: http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&source=imghp&biw=1440&bih=719&q=FBI+seal&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

Is the FBI gonna declare war on the internet?
 

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This is silly, why bother taking wikipedia to court.