FBI Raids Texas Company in Hunt for Anonymous

[Popido]

One server down, 9001 to go.

Nice! Honestly, Anon needs a little bit poking. It usually makes them think..or rage. Either way is good.

FBI should hire them.

Pfft.

 

[Oilerfan92]

Yeah, don't do anything while they slowly take away freedom. Learn your place like a good little citizen.

Remember, the government is a group of people that are chosen to help organize the people who live in the country. They're supposed to work for you, not the other way around.

Besides, Anonymous members are mostly decent people in real life. Sure they are little cunts, but all their actions are actually a relief to me. It means the internet still has a bit of freedom left.

Quoted for utter retardation blowing my mind a little. Dude, Anonymous are a bunch of dicks. They go on a bunch of little power trips ever month or so thinking they're untouchable and attack and ruin whoever they feel like for shits and giggles. If they were doing it with guns instead of internet attacks they'd probably be considered the greatest threat on the entire planet. The FBI has every right to chase those little fuckmunches down, freedom has nothing to do with it. Freedom stops being an issue when you're fucking around with other people's freedoms while you're at it.

For every act of charity Anonymous does they screw over a dozens random people because they think it's hilarious. As far as I'm concerned their real life actions are a facade, because these are the stunts they pull when they have the power to.

Anonymous needs to die a wretched, smouldering death if any real freedom's ever going to be found in this wasteland we call an internet.

This. I don't give a shit about people being free to be assholes. As long as I can still be free to post here, talk with friends on Fb, and talk with fans of my local hockey team, then they can do whatever to shut these people down.

These people rant heros. They're a bunch of idiots with e mental age of 12 year olds who harass innocent people for no reason. Then do pen decent thing every couple months and BOOM they're heros ?

I love freedom. But there's enjoying freedom. And there's being an asshole. Being an asshole shouldn't be tolerated. Even if it means they lose some "freedoms". Were not talking about stopping doctors from spreading medical knowledge, or other educated people from spreading information. It's a bunch of idiots being assholes.

 

[pokepuke]

Well I didn't know I would be dealing with presumptuous dicks in this thread!
As a matter of fact, I do not believe in situational ethics. It is not okay for the newspaper to do it but not for WikiLeaks. I don't care if the Pope or Mother Theresa was behind it all. They need to be punished for breaking the law.
And thank you for jumping right into the heat of an argument you were never a part of. Thus missing a large amount of context that would be needed to make sense of it!
And I very much appreciate your well thought out and intuitive argument of "blah blah blah".

Well good for the rest of the world the law isn't derived from your emotional responses. Newspapers get a pass; WikiLeaks gets a pass. Your chagrin is negligible.

Also the world doesn't care about what you believe. Things exist and they don't need your approval.

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

But that stuff is irrelevant! For morale reasons, you tend not to tell people how many civilians have died. That's simple propaganda tactics. Morale would sink to the damn seafloor if they released that stuff.

So it's "irrelevant" that one of the worlds most bloated and over-budgeted military institutions constantly slaughter innocent civilians and write off these civilian casualties caused by themselves as "legitimate" killings of enemy combatants in order to cover their own asses in the eyes of public opinion?

As long as "morale" is maintained, it's okay to just brush this indiscriminate slaughtering of unarmed civilians under the rug and keep it a secret from the very democratic society which the bloated and over-budgeted military institution in question is supposed to represent?

What you are preaching in this thread is basically saying that you think it's okay for corrupt and criminal government representatives (politicians as well as individual soldiers and field agents) to get away with atrocities and criminal acts, as long as that "precious morale" is being maintained.

Are you an actual human being or just some faceless cog in a government machine whose sole interest is in making sure that the governmental status quo is maintained even at the cost of murdered civilians?

It's people like you that insures to make it abundantly clear that the US government and it's military forces are WORSE BY FAR than your average suicide-bombing, terrorist scum.

You are the kind of Machiavellian power-mongerer who prefer governmental efficiency over the very ideals which said government is supposed to be serving and abiding by, even if it means completely breaking against said ideals, making you and your kind infinitely worse than any religious fanatic has ever been.

If Assange and/or Anonymous serve to do ANYTHING which upsets your ideal view of order and control then I wholeheartedly tip my hat to them and wish them the best of luck and best possible results in their endavours, regardless of possibly childish or obnoxious initial motivations for their actions.

A supposedly democratic government should ALWAYS be held accountable for it's actions in front of it's people. Supporting the governments "right" to keeping secrets from it's own citizens in the ever so shaky and ill-defined platitude of "national security" is basically handing over a get-out-of-jail-free card to corrupt officials and homicidal and indiscriminate soldiers.

So congrats in your zealous support of murders of innocents. You're of the exact same mould as Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden...

 

[Khada]

I don't support Anonymous or what they did. I also don't support WikiLeaks. I am all in favor for the government telling us the truth and keeping us informed, but some things are meant to be a secret for our safety.

Everyone knows Russia is basically run by Vladmir Putin though. Don't know why people are still surprised by that.

What kind of person chooses ignorance?... Oh right, the ignorant.

I knew someone would comment to that effect.

Look I am not saying EVERYTHING should be kept a secret. I am all in favor of the government telling us what they are doing so we can make informed decisions. HOWEVER, ( and keep in mind, I do not think that our government is perfect in any way. I think we need a system reboot. However, it is the best we have right now) the government keeps certain issues from us for a reason. WikiLeaks crossed the line when it revealed that many Arab world capitals called for the United States to do what it must to rid the world of the fear of the Iranian regime headed by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

I shouldn't have to explain that last bit, but I will if I have too. It's a pretty simple connect the dots scenario.

This isn?t like the Pentagon Papers, or even Afghanistan and Iraq documents that WikiLeaks poured out earlier this year, which helped to expose or, in most cases, confirm what we already knew about very badly conceived and executed wars. This would appear to be a direct assault on the whole idea of confidential diplomatic correspondence. And that?s not just a bad idea, it?s a stupid one.?

I understand and respect your opinion, I do however disagree. I believe that a system that needs to hide it's on-goings from the public eye, is a seriously flawed system. I actually believe that the entire political system should be a dead practice. If you watch Zeitgeist + Zeitgeist Addendum, you'll get an idea of where my beliefs lye. If fact, if you haven't seen Zeitgeist I suggest you get your ass over to YouTube and watch it.

Also, I though my original quip was quite witty xD

 

[CaptainKoala]

Well I didn't know I would be dealing with presumptuous dicks in this thread!
As a matter of fact, I do not believe in situational ethics. It is not okay for the newspaper to do it but not for WikiLeaks. I don't care if the Pope or Mother Theresa was behind it all. They need to be punished for breaking the law.
And thank you for jumping right into the heat of an argument you were never a part of. Thus missing a large amount of context that would be needed to make sense of it!
And I very much appreciate your well thought out and intuitive argument of "blah blah blah".

Also the world doesn't care about what you believe. Things exist and they don't need your approval.

If nobody cared what anybody thought, forums wouldn't exist. And if you didn't care what I thought, you wouldn't have quoted me.

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

I believe that a system that needs to hide it's on-goings from the public eye, is a seriously flawed system.

Call me extreme if you will but I'd even go as far as saying that such a system denies it's very right to exist by default.

A government might possess authority over many things but it should NEVER possess the authority to arbitrarily decide what the public should know about it's workings and affairs. And any government caught doing just that should be crushed by a rebellious angry mob of private citizens.

Instead we have this throng of scared and insecure people who are completely convinced that anything a government does is good and for their own personal benefit...

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

This. I don't give a shit about people being free to be assholes. As long as I can still be free to post here, talk with friends on Fb, and talk with fans of my local hockey team, then they can do whatever to shut these people down.

These people rant heros. They're a bunch of idiots with e mental age of 12 year olds who harass innocent people for no reason. Then do pen decent thing every couple months and BOOM they're heros ?

I love freedom. But there's enjoying freedom. And there's being an asshole. Being an asshole shouldn't be tolerated. Even if it means they lose some "freedoms". Were not talking about stopping doctors from spreading medical knowledge, or other educated people from spreading information. It's a bunch of idiots being assholes.

Tell me, how can you claim to know freedom if "being an asshole" is made illegal and criminal?

Isn't "being an asshole" a pretty relative and arbitrary point of view?

YOU might consider one certain kind of behaviour as being perfectly normal and upstanding, while I might consider it being complete asshole behaviour, so which of these conflicting perspectives is the absolute and ultimate one?

One thing is for sure though, and that is that if you live in a society where "being an asshole", while privately and socially stigmatized (as it most likely will be) is still perfectly legal and don't get you landed in prison or that you become handled by the government like you were some kind of enemy of the state for having the radical notion of not conforming to some arbitrary standards, then you can be pretty sure that you're actually enjoying freedom.

What you have now is a half-baked and sad excuse of it, more in place to insure your role as a good little citizen obeying it's government than a free individual...

 

[Chameliondude]

I don't support Anonymous or what they did. I also don't support WikiLeaks. I am all in favor for the government telling us the truth and keeping us informed, but some things are meant to be a secret for our safety.

Everyone knows Russia is basically run by Vladmir Putin though. Don't know why people are still surprised by that.

Thats a fairly big hypocritisism right there, The government has and always will lie about whatever they can to keep the people happy and themselves in power, see: world war death statistics and conditions official compared to actual, how much governments said they gave to the tsunami aid and how much they actually gave, all propaganda ever as a start, when campaining they lie about taxes, reforms, extra money for certain groups when it is known by the party it will never actually happen.

Its not for your safety, its for theirs, hiding their incompetence will not make them or you actually better off, Wikileaks and others are making it so the government cant do this anymore, exposing lies so the standerds the government operates under is above board, so they cant get away with bare faced lying and are forced to account for their actions, so no more innocent people are hurt in or out of the country
so by process of conditional attrition, we are left with either a more preferable government or the existing one becomes better, so it evolves into a more preferable being,
just because to you, a low death toll and the government telling you there is a low death toll when in fact there isnt affects you in the same way, doesnt mean it will to the famalies of the dead, and if we never find out we cannot put pressure on to stop it in the future either. But i suppose they are overseas so it doesnt really matter. out of sight and out of mind and all that

 

[Oilerfan92]

This. I don't give a shit about people being free to be assholes. As long as I can still be free to post here, talk with friends on Fb, and talk with fans of my local hockey team, then they can do whatever to shut these people down.

These people rant heros. They're a bunch of idiots with e mental age of 12 year olds who harass innocent people for no reason. Then do pen decent thing every couple months and BOOM they're heros ?

I love freedom. But there's enjoying freedom. And there's being an asshole. Being an asshole shouldn't be tolerated. Even if it means they lose some "freedoms". Were not talking about stopping doctors from spreading medical knowledge, or other educated people from spreading information. It's a bunch of idiots being assholes.

Tell me, how can you claim to know freedom if "being an asshole" is made illegal and criminal?

Isn't "being an asshole" a pretty relative and arbitrary point of view?

YOU might consider one certain kind of behaviour as being perfectly normal and upstanding, while I might consider it being complete asshole behaviour, so which of these conflicting perspectives is the absolute and ultimate one?

One thing is for sure though, and that is that if you live in a society where "being an asshole", while privately and socially stigmatized (as it most likely will be) is still perfectly legal and don't get you landed in prison or that you become handled by the government like you were some kind of enemy of the state for having the radical notion of not conforming to some arbitrary standards, then you can be pretty sure that you're actually enjoying freedom.

What you have now is a half-baked and sad excuse of it, more in place to insure your role as a good little citizen obeying it's government than a free individual...

Don't turn this into some bullshit "Government attempting to silence the last beacon of freedom" issue. I agree, we all have different ideas of "asshole" but that different. What I'm talking abo here is people hiding behind a computer screen being able to threaten,harass , and do whatever to innocent people, and having to allow it because "it's freedom".

If I go up to a black person and call them a N-word, am I celebrating freedom ? If the person gets mad and attempts to respond or whatever, it he endangering my freedom ? By textbook definition yes. But why SHOUKD we allow that ? You don't need to give everyone lobotomies and destroy their individuality and freedoms just to ensure that the one aspect is prevented. You jut say, enough with this bullshit, doing that is wrong, you can't do it.

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

Don't turn this into some bullshit "Government attempting to silence the last beacon of freedom" issue.

It is such an issue, whether you like it or not.

"Power corrupts" as the old addage goes, and while the idea of a particular kind of government might be incorruptible, you can be damn sure that most people appointed to man that particular government will busy themselves in ways to maintain their power and influence at the expense of everyone else.

I agree, we all have different ideas of "asshole" but that different. What I'm talking abo here is people hiding behind a computer screen being able to threaten,harass , and do whatever to innocent people, and having to allow it because "it's freedom".

Not entirely unlike the way politicians, military officers, soldiers and intelligence agents all commit criminal acts (FAR WORSE than pathetic instances of threatening or harassing someone) and then cover their own asses with bullshit reasons like "it's for national security", right?

If I have to choose between some random "chanfag" participaring in a DDoS attack "for the lulz"/in support of Assange/whatever and your average Machiavellian government official who don't mind torturing and killing the innocent as long as his personal interestes is being furthered, then I'll choose the obnoxious chanfag any day of the week.

Harassment and "being an asshole" never killed anyone, so how about adopting a more levelheaded perspective on the matter?

If I go up to a black person and call them a N-word, am I celebrating freedom ? If the person gets mad and attempts to respond or whatever, it he endangering my freedom ? By textbook definition yes. But why SHOUKD we allow that ? You don't need to give everyone lobotomies and destroy their individuality and freedoms just to ensure that the one aspect is prevented. You jut say, enough with this bullshit, doing that is wrong, you can't do it.

Yes you are celebrating freedom by calling a black person whatever the hell you feel like. But you know what? The right to speak your mind doesn't necessarily include the right to be listened to.

Said black person has just as much freedom to simply write you off as an (yep, you guessed it!) "asshole" and simply refuse to care about your comment and probably live a lot more happier than he or she would've done stooping to your level and actually responding.

It's not like anyone is going to die from hearing a word, is it?

 

[Khada]

I believe that a system that needs to hide it's on-goings from the public eye, is a seriously flawed system.

Call me extreme if you will but I'd even go as far as saying that such a system denies it's very right to exist by default.

A government might possess authority over many things but it should NEVER possess the authority to arbitrarily decide what the public should know about it's workings and affairs. And any government caught doing just that should be crushed by a rebellious angry mob of private citizens.

Instead we have this throng of scared and insecure people who are completely convinced that anything a government does is good and for their own personal benefit...

It is by no accident that this situation has come about. The government have spent years detaching people from their sense of power with its "war on terror". Anyone educated on the matter can tell you that those pointing the finger at so called "terrorist" are, by definition, exactly that. Again, Zeitgeist does a better job of explaining this and many other thing far better than i can. Be informed, go watch it

 

[GrizzlerBorno]

WHy is the first thing i thought upon reading the title "RoosterTeeth....nah! not them! they wouldn't hurt a fly."

 

[Axzarious]

While I don't usually support Anonymous, I find it hard to get behind the FBI on this. I support Assange and Wikileaks, simply for what he/it stands for. Anonymous sortof stands for the same thing, but usually makes things alot worse. What they did to PayPal and the rest of them may not have been the best thing to do, but the reason for doing these things is honourable. Assange may have the 'might' of the US government after him, and I respect him for standing up to the bureaucratic, politically motivated bullshit.

Governments should always to held accountable. They have the responsibility to 'govern' and protect those under their care. Assange showed up arguably the most powerful government in the world, and I support him for that.

Thats well said. If its one thing I tire of, its how those in power misuse thier influence.

 

[AK47Marine]

Yeah, don't do anything while they slowly take away freedom. Learn your place like a good little citizen.

Remember, the government is a group of people that are chosen to help organize the people who live in the country. They're supposed to work for you, not the other way around.

Besides, Anonymous members are mostly decent people in real life. Sure they are little cunts, but all their actions are actually a relief to me. It means the internet still has a bit of freedom left.

Quoted for utter retardation blowing my mind a little. Dude, Anonymous are a bunch of dicks. They go on a bunch of little power trips ever month or so thinking they're untouchable and attack and ruin whoever they feel like for shits and giggles. If they were doing it with guns instead of internet attacks they'd probably be considered the greatest threat on the entire planet. The FBI has every right to chase those little fuckmunches down, freedom has nothing to do with it. Freedom stops being an issue when you're fucking around with other people's freedoms while you're at it.

For every act of charity Anonymous does they screw over a dozens random people because they think it's hilarious. As far as I'm concerned their real life actions are a facade, because these are the stunts they pull when they have the power to.

Anonymous needs to die a wretched, smouldering death if any real freedom's ever going to be found in this wasteland we call an internet.

+1000

this is exactly what I was going to say, but said so well I think I'll just repost instead, remember kids if you'd have payed attention in social studies you'd know that your freedom is limited by affecting others. I'm free to have a gun but under most circumstances I'm not free to shoot you with it. I'm free to speak if I want too, I'm not free to yell "fire!" in a crowded theater if there isn't an actual fire. You are free to think whatever the hell you please about Julian Assange and his Wikileaks project, you are not free to attack corporations that serve hundreds of millions, if not billions of people ever single day all of whom don't give a rats ass about who assange is or what he does and just want to get on with their lives.

 

[Azaraxzealot]

So much for the anonymity of "Anonymous".

Three cheers for the FBI and their bureaucratic crusade against freedom.

would you rather anonymous grow out of control and get so sucked up in its own power that it will eventually take over our governments? (i really think that if one controls the internet, they can control the world)
well hell no, this should teach those little cunts a lesson.
don't
fuck
with the government.

Take over the government? Are you HIGH or something?

Anonymous has about as high a chance of taking over the government as SQUIRRELS do.

Stop being so paranoid, and people SHOULD fuck with the government when it's not doing its job (which is to represent the people, and stay WITHIN THE POWER IT IS GIVEN!)

Plus, they didn't even "fuck with the government" they fucked with Paypal.

they DDoS'd a branch of the government. i think that constitutes as an act of terrorism.