FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine (Pfizer)

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What’s kinda funny is Moderna was technically first to develop a successful mRNA vaccine too. Guessing politic$ might be involved there, as Pfizer is like the Microsoft of the drug industry.
 

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What’s kinda funny is Moderna was technically first to develop a successful mRNA vaccine too. Guessing politic$ might be involved there, as Pfizer is like the Microsoft of the drug industry.
First to develop a vaccine, maybe, but second to prove it worked.
 

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What’s kinda funny is Moderna was technically first to develop a successful mRNA vaccine too. Guessing politic$ might be involved there, as Pfizer is like the Microsoft of the drug industry.
They were actually fairly close to bankruptcy before Covid if I recall correctly, and that's in spite of them holding the patent on viagra.
 

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They were actually fairly close to bankruptcy before Covid if I recall correctly, and that's in spite of them holding the patent on viagra.
Pfizer close to bankruptcy? No chance.

Viagra is still a pretty major seller, but it's not where the really big money is; besides, in numerous markets its patent has already expired.

The really big money these days are biologicals (usually antibody drugs) which normally treat various autoimmune and inflammatory conditions - rheumatoid arthritis, IBD, etc. - and cancer because they come with eye-wateringly vast price tags. The ideal drug (profit-wise) is for a chronic, common condition. Impotence does not require daily medication, and affects a relatively modest proportion of the population. Stuff like anti-hypertensives, anti-clotting drugs, anti-asthma drugs, anti-inflammatories / painkillers are better bets for high income.
 

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What’s kinda funny is Moderna was technically first to develop a successful mRNA vaccine too. Guessing politic$ might be involved there, as Pfizer is like the Microsoft of the drug industry.
It could be, but I know ton of people who have taken the moderna and everyone said it was a real nightmare. Lots more side effects, it wouldn't surprise me if Pfizer just hit more checkboxes. The general consensus where I'm at is to go Pfizer if you can.
 

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It could be, but I know ton of people who have taken the moderna and everyone said it was a real nightmare. Lots more side effects, it wouldn't surprise me if Pfizer just hit more checkboxes. The general consensus where I'm at is to go Pfizer if you can.
It seemed to be about an even split between my family, in-laws, friends, coworkers, of Moderna and Pfizer reactions. It seems like older folks had minimal whereas middle age and especially younger (20’s) had it rougher. I myself had Moderna and the first shot was a sore arm but the second followed with body aches and chills that subsided within 24 hours of getting it. I’ve heard the same or worse from coworkers and a couple in laws who had the Pfizer shot. One might be more pronounced than the other but it’s also probably dependent on the individual.
 

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First to develop a vaccine, maybe, but second to prove it worked.
Possibly, but they each did clinical trials within a month of each other and both were deemed successful as early as last summer.

 

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It seemed to be about an even split between my family, in-laws, friends, coworkers, of Moderna and Pfizer reactions. It seems like older folks had minimal whereas middle age and especially younger (20’s) had it rougher. I myself had Moderna and the first shot was a sore arm but the second followed with body aches and chills that subsided within 24 hours of getting it. I’ve heard the same or worse from coworkers and a couple in laws who had the Pfizer shot. One might be more pronounced than the other but it’s also probably dependent on the individual.
First Pfizer shot for me was just a bit of soreness on the arm, second was a day or two of being tired and, puzzlingly, no soreness whatsoever. Not a big deal.

Better than this, anyway:

 

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First Pfizer shot for me was just a bit of soreness on the arm, second was a day or two of being tired and, puzzlingly, no soreness whatsoever. Not a big deal.

Better than this, anyway:

I don't understand how a vaccine that has (so far) shown little side effects is deemed dangerous when a paste, which is known to be a neurotoxin, is seen as safe
 

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I don't understand how a vaccine that has (so far) shown little side effects is deemed dangerous when a paste, which is known to be a neurotoxin, is seen as safe
Ivermectin has been FDA approved for use in humans, to treat other things, for decades, and the people who discovered it won a Nobel Prize.

 

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Ivermectin has been FDA approved for use in humans, to treat other things, for decades, and the people who discovered it won a Nobel Prize.

It sure does have approval

In very limited cases with very strict guidelines because its that dangerous.

Again, it a known neurotoxin. It's like cancer treatments. Its incredibly dangerous to the body and should only be used if no other option is available and under medical conditions
 

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I don't understand how a vaccine that has (so far) shown little side effects is deemed dangerous when a paste, which is known to be a neurotoxin, is seen as safe
You're looking at it from the POV of a Sane person(at least, I assume you're a sane person from your postings). That's your problem right there.

First Pfizer shot for me was just a bit of soreness on the arm, second was a day or two of being tired and, puzzlingly, no soreness whatsoever. Not a big deal.

Better than this, anyway:

I'm long past the point of feeling bad for these people. I'm riding the schadenfreude train the rest of the way through the pandemic courtesy of these special, special people and I figure it's only a matter of time before they're eating the drywall at home depot to cure their covid.
 
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I wonder if this will actually change the minds of those people who refuse to get vaccinated because "it's not FDA approved". Will they reconsider, or will they find another excuse to hide behind?
 

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Part of the reason Pfizer got approved before Moderna might be the higher risks with Moderna. I personally got the Moderna shots, but my godsister had to go somewhere where they were doing Pfizer to get vaccinated, because she's had health issues and the side effect risks are higher with Moderna. Not necessarily in the sense of being more likely to happen, but in the sense of "if you get side effects, they'll be worse with Moderna".
 

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I'm long past the point of feeling bad for these people. I'm riding the schadenfreude train the rest of the way through the pandemic courtesy of these special, special people and I figure it's only a matter of time before they're eating the drywall at home depot to cure their covid.
Well you know they do say if you don't laugh, you weep.
 

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Ivermectin has been FDA approved for use in humans, to treat other things, for decades, and the people who discovered it won a Nobel Prize.
Well then, I guess if its discoverers won a Nobel Prize, then that means ivermectin is perfectly good to treat a completely different condition than it was originally discovered for, at doses far higher than conventionally recommended.

By this logic, next time I sprain my ankle, I should request a transorbital lobotomy to fix it.
 
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