Feds bust 72 users of a child porn forum.

[Aethren]

Oh yes, I have read that paper. Did you notice this line, a bit farther down?

"But those of us who work with paedophiles have seen evidence that women are capable of terrible crimes against children - just as bad as men."

Yes, "just as bad as men" not "as frequently as men". I never denied the brutality but it's still the case that men are more likely and make up a greater percentage of offenders.

A greater percentage of reported offenders, as that paper was pointing out.

 

[Colour Scientist]

A greater percentage of reported offenders, as that paper was pointing out.

The statistics, while not completely accurate, give a rough idea of the male/female ratio not the exact number. Obviously all cases aren't reported, as is the case with male offenders, but it's highly unlikely that the discrepancy between the official statistics and the actual number would be of that magnitude. The female number would certainly rise but the male number would too and I highly doubt they would work out equal.

Besides, seeing as you're going around demanding citations, where's the evidence that females are just as likely?

 

[Aethren]

A greater percentage of reported offenders, as that paper was pointing out.

The statistics, while not completely accurate, give a rough idea of the male/female ratio not the exact number. Obviously all cases aren't reported, as is the case with male offenders, but it's highly unlikely that the discrepancy between the official statistics and the actual number would be of that magnitude. The female number would certainly rise but the male number would too and I highly doubt they would work out equal.

Besides, seeing as you're going around demanding citations, where's the evidence that females are just as likely?

That paper supports both of our points in this debate, so my evidence, along with personal experience, lies there. But this is getting boring and we've hijacked this thread, so I'm gonna give you this win and go play HoN.

 

[CrazyGirl17]

Good for them, you don't even know what I'd like to do to people like that...

Lock em up and throw away the key.


Is there any way we can legalize hitting them with hammer in the nuts every time they have a sick thought?

...well, that for starters...

 

[ZRendZ]

I don't know whats more disgusting the child porn or the fact that they use the suffering of the child as a ranking system. What should happen to these people is they (being incredibly mean but they fucking deserve it) Chainsaw their limbs off and remove their genitalia and then lock them in a prison, keep them alive? yes. However they should suffer like what they did to those poor kids, who's suffering is floating around the internet still.

 

[kannibus]

See? This is why I like the bacon.

Good on the blue power boys!

 

[Samurai Goomba]

The hypocrisy of those condemning pedophilia with such fervor disgusts me, even more so than the act of pedophilia itself.

lol wut.

Yeah, the hypocrisy of those guys! We know they all secretly want to molest kids, too!

Oh wait...

Are you confused about what hypocrisy means? Or does your (obvious) sheer brilliance preclude you from a simple explanation of your claims? Lemme guess... Pointless invocation of Godwin's Law?

A few people writing down their torture fantasies in this thread is creepy, but in no way does it imply pedophilia is an acceptable practice when molestation of real children is involved.

 

[Daveman]

Dear Feds.
*thumbs up*
Love from Daveman
xxxxxxxx

 

[blankedboy]

And then I become the controversial person in the corner who's on the forum users' side because as long as they weren't raping children I have no problem with them. Personally I'm disgusted at the FBI for unnecessarily locking them away.

 

[DexterNorgam]

Indulgence can be a solution:

Incorrect, simply wrong.

http://anthonydamato.law.northwestern.edu/Adobefiles/porn.pdf

As you can read, there appears to be a direct correlation between increase in porn watching and decline in rape.

Lol, yea and such "studies" can be made to say whatever who ever is paying the author wants them to say, how do you think people came to believe in man made global warming?

Thus disproving your notion that "nothing stays interesting forever", allowing people harmless indulgence will, in fact, keep them from seeking harmful ways to satisfy their primal urges. I don't see why the same logic shouldn't apply to paedophiles.

Its not a notion, its a fact. Given a finite amount, which there would have to be, as you yourself are saying production should be halted, it would infact eventually get boring to the collector. Nothing stays new forever.

And as for no psychiatrists wanting to keep that kind of material, and your whole argument about my wanting to legalize child pornography, that's simply you refusing to realize that your harmful zealous morality is making the problem bigger than it needs to be. Personally, I don't see why we can't do the pragmatic thing here and allow these people their indulgence, if it makes them happy and keeps the streets safe, as the aforementioned correlation between porn and rape or experiences with drug related fixing rooms might indicate.

I'm not arguing that you want to legalize child pornography. You make that argument for me when you say things like "child porn in existence should be legal" (to paraphrase). What I begin to find hard to believe is that you are so altruistic and concerned with the plight of the poor poor pedophile, you certainly don't want to legalize it for personal use... just your overwheling concern for the well being of some people you dont know who have a defect of mind that makes them sexually attracted to children... riiiight.

In the end, while having these things out in the open may not be pretty, it'll always come out better than the alternative.

Wrong.

I can almost certainly guarantee that by keeping things a taboo, you are only contributing to an unnecessarily unbearable life for paedophiles and ensuring that when they do need their fix, they'll get it from somewhere where children are still being hurt, and they might even do it themselves. Please explain, how is that more desirable?

This whole paragraph is invalid. Someone who is going to hurt a child, is going to hurt a child, and no amount of viewing someone else hurting a child is going to stop them from doing it themselves. Which makes your question moot. You say I'm contributing to the unnecessarily unbearable life pedophiles have to live?? I think thats the best compliment anyone's paid me in a long long time. Its unfortunate that they have to be born with whatever defect causes them to have the desires that makes life so unbearable for them, but much better they suffer than children suffer. Besides, if they cant live with it, they can always take the easy way out, I recommend large caliber gunshot wound to the head.

 

[DexterNorgam]

And then I become the controversial person in the corner who's on the forum users' side because as long as they weren't raping children I have no problem with them. Personally I'm disgusted at the FBI for unnecessarily locking them away.

Did you read the thread, or are you just hopping on to defend the forum users for the sake of it...

They clearly stated that the forum encouraged the production of homemade materials and placed a premium on content that showed "girls in discomfort". Also the thread went on to say that the highest lvl of user was reserved for those who did so...

Want to rethink your post??

 

[blankedboy]

And then I become the controversial person in the corner who's on the forum users' side because as long as they weren't raping children I have no problem with them. Personally I'm disgusted at the FBI for unnecessarily locking them away.

Did you read the thread, or are you just hopping on to defend the forum users for the sake of it...

They clearly stated that the forum encouraged the production of homemade materials and placed a premium on content that showed "girls in discomfort". Also the thread went on to say that the highest lvl of user was reserved for those who did so...

Want to rethink your post??

Psh, of course. Silly me, sorry about that.

 

[Himmelgeher]

Yes, when you look at a crime and the only thing that pops into your head is that the perpetrator needs to die, then I believe that you are insane.

Because I said that people who commit atrocities deserve to die, that makes it my only opinion on the matter. Sure. See, there are actual, real victims in this case. The children being raped, and it's sickening that you're proposing legalizing footage of a child or teenager being raped and tortured. There are real people in those videos, with lives and hopes and dreams (well, the ones who survive at least), and you want to publicize their suffering for the enjoyment of a monster. Honestly, fuck you.

And you might want to consider coming up with a better argument than "that's your opinion" and "you're insane," you know, an argument with a foundation and actual points.

 

[DexterNorgam]

Yes, when you look at a crime and the only thing that pops into your head is that the perpetrator needs to die, then I believe that you are insane.

Because I said that people who commit atrocities deserve to die, that makes it my only opinion on the matter. Sure. See, there are actual, real victims in this case. The children being raped, and it's sickening that you're proposing legalizing footage of a child or teenager being raped and tortured. There are real people in those videos, with lives and hopes and dreams (well, the ones who survive at least), and you want to publicize their suffering for the enjoyment of a monster. Honestly, fuck you.

And you might want to consider coming up with a better argument than "that's your opinion" and "you're insane," you know, an argument with a foundation and actual points.

Thank you ever so much.
I was beginning to think that nobody else really understood what this guy was advocating. Its amazing to me that anyone's mind could possibly function in a way to make that seem like a good idea.