wulf3n said:
Rebel_Raven said:
I don't see your point of view on the boxers part.
Why do they have to compete? Why draw battle lines? can the judges not agree on technique, form, and style? Why not focus more on the "art" than the "martial" of martial arts?
It's merely about comparison. It's much easier to compare to people competing than it is to assess their individual performance and to determine who's better.
Rebel_Raven said:
Why not take into account what a person says, process it, and argue if you disagree, or agree if you agree?
Finding the middle grounds vs your opponent (And yes I know Anita doesn't allow comments, so just form opinions based on what she says? On that same note, youtube is a shitty place to talk about anything, anyhow.

) then hammering out finer details seems more useful to me.
I'm not saying you can't compete, but I am willing to listen, and absorb points made by my opponent if I agree, and combat he ones I disagree with.
It doesn't matter to me what group you repersent coz I'm not joining.

You are you. Not the group you represent as far as I'm concerned.
It comes down to the fact that I'm not perfect. I generally don't have enough knowledge about a given subject to satisfactorily assess what someone says. I may agree/disagree with an opinion but that doesn't mean the opinion was worth agreeing/disagreeing with, and that bugs me.
So I rely on collective knowledge of the masses to pick apart an opinion. If the holder of said opinion can address said criticisms then the opinion is more likely to be "valid"
Thing is, I'm not sure if I'd want to call this a "who's performing better" issue.
Even if you don't agree with the issue of sexism in the gaming industry, I think what a lot of the people who do agree it's there aren't trying to harm the gaming industry, rather they have the goal of seeing more variety from it.
Personally, even if a person doesn't agree with feminists talking about the gender issues, or anyone talking about the gender issues regardless of faction, the important part, variety, is still worth fighting for, no?
IMHO, People are far too willing to break off into tribes on this issue. Some let their disdain for feminists, or a feminist in particular get in the way of what points are being made, and fight against issues brought up by feminists and a certain feminist based solely on the disdain, and not their points. I see so many personal attacks, and stuff not related to the issue at hand at times. :/
I'm not perfect either. Lacking the knowledge is sometimes why I argue, and it's why I generally try not to talk about things aside from videogames as far as gender issues go. I'm not likely all that strong in more general knowledge, or passionate enough on of the subject of gender issues as a whole.
I section these larger issues off, and generally focus on one part at a time.
I get some insight from asking, and debating. It may or may not affect my opinion evolution, though.
It's up to you to judge what you do with the opinion's worth. Handle it case by case is my advice.
Dismissing a person's opinions entirely because of some disagreements is not the way to go as you might end up in agreement with part of it, and thus seeming like you don't agree with what you'd normally agree with.
Still don't torture yourself listening to/reading their opinions either.
If it's not important, ignore it for now. If it stirs some passion, go for it, and think about where you stand and why. If it can't be contested directly, then contest it with a person who brings up a similar point at a later time.
Relying on the masses' opinions is okay. We gotta get information somewhere, but I'd hope that what info you garnered from the masses congeal into an opinion of your own that feels right, and becomes your opinion to argue, and not a cobbled together mass of opinions from others that you have little invested in. I find it hard to argue what one is not very passionate about.
It's okay if someone pokes holes in an argument, IMO. Learn how they did it, and shore it up with something deemed reasonable if at all possible, or just admit you can't contest the point, and move on, or just leave it alone.
I get what you mean about wanting to have a conversation, and contest points to test their validity. Personally, if I can't contest it, or research it, then I generally disregard it until it can be talked about later.
Also, if it makes sense, even without solid proof, I can genarally accept it, and research a bit on my own.
@_x rambleyness. Sorry if I wandered off too far.
wulf3n said:
Rebel_Raven said:
The problem with youtube is who will see your point if it's downvoted so it can't be seen?
The internet is a fine discussion place in some areas. Escapist is pretty nice, imo.
The Escapist is one of the better places I've seen, though I still feel "discussion" where 2 or more people criticize the finer points of an opinion to reach a consensus is the minority compared to the "collective agreement", and "don't address issue, just insult person".
Maybe I'm just jaded
I understand where you're coming from.