Spot on!Sword and Shields post=326.71256.718093 said:
Except that the music is ok, rather than phenomenal like in the earlier games.
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Except that the music is ok, rather than phenomenal like in the earlier games.
I've only gotten up to FFX, despite being a major fan of 7 and 8 (9 was meh, but I still pick it up from time to time). I've yet to actually complete 10 though, I just don't have the time for it anymore which is kinda depressing. I love to play these kinds of games for hours and hours and hours on end, but the only thing I can do for that amount of time these days is work.
One thing I simply love about Final Fantasy games is how even though on the outside they all look "the same", it's the inner workings that are constantly progressing, the battle systems seem to always change, Square-Enix are clearly on a mission to find the best possible one, and they can't do that without a mass of user input. So that's the way it has to, and has been. They develop it, they test it... it passes tests, it's workable.. great! Send it out to the public... bad feedback, "uh oh's", they try again.
This is possibly the main reason as to why I don't get all argumentative when someone says something that I happen to strongly disagree with, because the end result, somewhere along the line... will mean a better game at another time. I'll start raising fists when the games get worse, but from my perspective (as a fellow developer) I see nothing but progression in the FF games, Art work always gets massively improved, new systems for doing things which must take SO much freakin' time to get right are always tried and tested... infact, thinking about it, my brain can't logically fathom the amount of subtle differences that go into each new FF game.
Hail to FF! Even If I'll never have enough time to actually play any of them ever again.
One thing I simply love about Final Fantasy games is how even though on the outside they all look "the same", it's the inner workings that are constantly progressing, the battle systems seem to always change, Square-Enix are clearly on a mission to find the best possible one, and they can't do that without a mass of user input. So that's the way it has to, and has been. They develop it, they test it... it passes tests, it's workable.. great! Send it out to the public... bad feedback, "uh oh's", they try again.
This is possibly the main reason as to why I don't get all argumentative when someone says something that I happen to strongly disagree with, because the end result, somewhere along the line... will mean a better game at another time. I'll start raising fists when the games get worse, but from my perspective (as a fellow developer) I see nothing but progression in the FF games, Art work always gets massively improved, new systems for doing things which must take SO much freakin' time to get right are always tried and tested... infact, thinking about it, my brain can't logically fathom the amount of subtle differences that go into each new FF game.
Hail to FF! Even If I'll never have enough time to actually play any of them ever again.
I'm actually quite a fan of JRPGs but I always hold them to a standard that I expect from them. I agree I didn' t go far into the game but It was just dead. I remember some forests and other areas but not as much as the desert or wastelands area. Again I expect my areas to be colorful and diverse, but I came into FF12 with my expections high. I was disappointed.
Some of my favorite JRPGs are
Parasite Eve
Grandia 2
Dragon Quest
Xenogears
Final Fantasy 8
Final Fantasy 5 and 6
Final Fantasy 7 and 9
Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2
Again most of the time. I expect a level of quality from the JRPG developers I have come to love over the years.
I hope Final Fantasy 13, The Next kingdom hearts, and parasite eve third birthday (I believe it's called) Satsify my craving for a good JRPG
Some of them that have been released have been good but lack a certain charm square enix seems to capture in this game.
Final Fantasy 12 had this charm. Just not enough of it.
Some of my favorite JRPGs are
Parasite Eve
Grandia 2
Dragon Quest
Xenogears
Final Fantasy 8
Final Fantasy 5 and 6
Final Fantasy 7 and 9
Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2
Again most of the time. I expect a level of quality from the JRPG developers I have come to love over the years.
I hope Final Fantasy 13, The Next kingdom hearts, and parasite eve third birthday (I believe it's called) Satsify my craving for a good JRPG
Some of them that have been released have been good but lack a certain charm square enix seems to capture in this game.
Final Fantasy 12 had this charm. Just not enough of it.
I think the reviewer lost his credibility when he said most of the terrain was desert.
As for the combat system, i think its the deepest and most customizable of any FF game, ur not limited to 1 or 2 weapon types per char, positioning plays a big role in battle, archers actually benefit from their range ( not that front row/ back row BS from older FF's.
If there is a problem with the battle system its the fact that you will only need it against bosses and hunts, everyone else can be beaten with your good old gambits, creating a sense of monotony.
As for the combat system, i think its the deepest and most customizable of any FF game, ur not limited to 1 or 2 weapon types per char, positioning plays a big role in battle, archers actually benefit from their range ( not that front row/ back row BS from older FF's.
If there is a problem with the battle system its the fact that you will only need it against bosses and hunts, everyone else can be beaten with your good old gambits, creating a sense of monotony.
This is the only FF from the entire series 1-X-2 (Not counting 11) I never finished.. Reason: Story. Minors: Battle system and Characters.
Its not all about progression at the end of the day, Progression doesn't always = Fun.
In terms of the battle system (sort of real-timeish) look at Star Ocean: Till The End of time and more recently Infinite Undiscovery (both by tri-Ace btw, god i love tri-Ace) the system is much better in them (hell look at the majority of WRPGS). What Square, Squaresoft urg Square Enix have always been good at is variations of the ATB system the best thing about FFX-2 is that (going of course but hey) because of the major advancement of the ATB system in FFX-2. I say stick to their guns and make that better and better, whilst let the real professionals work on real-time battle systems and what not.
Its not all about progression at the end of the day, Progression doesn't always = Fun.
In terms of the battle system (sort of real-timeish) look at Star Ocean: Till The End of time and more recently Infinite Undiscovery (both by tri-Ace btw, god i love tri-Ace) the system is much better in them (hell look at the majority of WRPGS). What Square, Squaresoft urg Square Enix have always been good at is variations of the ATB system the best thing about FFX-2 is that (going of course but hey) because of the major advancement of the ATB system in FFX-2. I say stick to their guns and make that better and better, whilst let the real professionals work on real-time battle systems and what not.
If you look at the gambit system, it's essentially the system you have for donald and goofy in the Kingdom Hearts games, but fully customizable.
Hence when I first played FFXII I did not use gambits for Vaan, believing I could control him like Sora, I discovered this was a mistake.
Personally I don't agree with the view that it's it removes you from the action, you need to constantly refine gambits according to your foes, and you often need to step in and changes what one party member is doing.
Hence when I first played FFXII I did not use gambits for Vaan, believing I could control him like Sora, I discovered this was a mistake.
Personally I don't agree with the view that it's it removes you from the action, you need to constantly refine gambits according to your foes, and you often need to step in and changes what one party member is doing.
Actually with the gambit system. The game pretty much plays with itself while I read a book and get stronger, after pressing up with my foot for awhile. My characters are 10 levels higher, and have more license points.
The Game is Good to watch.
Nuff said buy esuna, curaga, all gambits and write them in.
Find spot with respawning enemies
Tape analog stick down so charectors runs in a circles
lvl without being there!
i dont mind that play style but id say plays more like a rts as you set attack type and when to attack thats the only stratergy part.
'FF12 you play a programmer' would have been an awsome tag line
Nuff said buy esuna, curaga, all gambits and write them in.
Find spot with respawning enemies
Tape analog stick down so charectors runs in a circles
lvl without being there!
i dont mind that play style but id say plays more like a rts as you set attack type and when to attack thats the only stratergy part.
'FF12 you play a programmer' would have been an awsome tag line
Hehe i agree with the play a programmer it felt like that at times guess they forgot games are supposed to be engaging xDwunderguy post=326.71256.730431 said:
Wow, so much hate for this game. Am I the only one that thought the combat was like KOTOR, with way more customization ? Sure you can use gambits and let the game play itself, but the ability to briefly pause and give commands to all 3 party members totally reminded me of KOTOR.
As for the license system...afaik everyone except Japan got the dumbed down version. Each character had their own license tree in the Japanese release, whereas here in North America every character had the same.
Look up Ashe10 on youtube and check some of his/her vids to see what I mean. (no its not me)
As for the story, I dont understand all the hate I'm reading for it either. I understood just fine the first and second time I played through.
Anyhow, not trying to talk down to anyone. Just my 2gil...
As for the license system...afaik everyone except Japan got the dumbed down version. Each character had their own license tree in the Japanese release, whereas here in North America every character had the same.
Look up Ashe10 on youtube and check some of his/her vids to see what I mean. (no its not me)
As for the story, I dont understand all the hate I'm reading for it either. I understood just fine the first and second time I played through.
Anyhow, not trying to talk down to anyone. Just my 2gil...
See, I never see this "lolololol it plays itself" retard criticism about Knights of the Old Republic, which has exactly the same automatic battle system (as did Baldur's Gate and all the rest of the Infinity engine games), and handles at least two of it's characters at any one time by the same kind of AI scripting as the Gambit system, but which is actually less interactive because the player can't configure it.
Ok Let me get this stright.
Knights of the old republic, Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale, and anything on the infinity engine was using D&D 3rd edition which made the combat feel better and fight smoother. This one is relying on weapon delay and such and just felt chopping and dead. Sort of like a MMO you click the enemy and hope it dies.
While the combat they were trying something new..ok but it feels again like to much of Final Fantasy XI
atleast in baldur's gate you can take control of other characters to use.
Knights of the old republic, Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale, and anything on the infinity engine was using D&D 3rd edition which made the combat feel better and fight smoother. This one is relying on weapon delay and such and just felt chopping and dead. Sort of like a MMO you click the enemy and hope it dies.
While the combat they were trying something new..ok but it feels again like to much of Final Fantasy XI
atleast in baldur's gate you can take control of other characters to use.
You can take control of the characters in FFXII.Sword and Shields post=326.71256.733475 said:
I played through the first part of the game (up until the boss fight against vossler I think. icr exactly) without gambits switched on for vaan. I just used him like a regular character whilst the others used gambits.
I actually found it more fun to let them all use gambits and intervene with them all whenever I thought it was necessary.
Actually just have Fran and Penelo heal and equip everyone with spears and you'll pretty much rape anything..Splitter post=326.71256.733741 said:
Except flying bosses.
Did they arse. They were on an internal six second turn structure. Use an ability and you have to wait six seconds before you can use another one. KOTOR tries to hide it by having feints and fake attacks, but it's still the same six second turn timer.