Final Fantasy and why it is enjoyed.

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SinisterDeath

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-Seraph- said:
Tactics:war of the lion, and crisis core are only spin off I have enjoyed. I hope Dissidia turns out great, after seeing cloud vs Sephiroth, I nearly had a fangasm, it's just looking so promising.
Tactics and CC are great.
FFX-2 is an example of probably the FUNNEST combat system of any FF game made. You can definately see the progression Square Enix has made from FF to FFXII, and FFX-2 was probably the Best of the Old School, and not so much of the suckiness...

Now if only FFXI had FFXII's combat system, I may have been able to get past lvl 30 with out boring my self to death...
 

Takeda Shingen

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I must say that I haven't played FFVI yet, but I need to get around to it at some point. I bought FFIX recently, and quickly regreted after the game almost immediatly pressed me into playing its silly card mini-game. The rules are bizarre.

Actually, I meant to say that the player has little agency in a JRPG. We agree that the genre greatly resembles a novel. Really, a JRPG is just the player manuevering a character along a set path. I can understand many people expressing frusteration with JRPGs because they long for the open-range of MMORPGS. Player control is quite detached in JRPGs, even in combat there's only so much a player can do.

I do love Triple Triad. I will sometimes just break out my copy of FFVIII just to play that mini-game. I was also fond of the Fort Condor minigame, and I think Square should have put that game into the Gold Saucer arcade. Training chocobos proved a nice diversion once in awhile.

Your friend's story amuses me. Did he have the same luck with the weapons? Did you beat them? Watching EMERALD flicker into that red outline and fade away was so satisfying. I probably shot up and roared at that point.

I appreciate your compliment on my defense. I treasure FFVII, but as said before I believe that my attachment to the game is highly personal. Declaring that it's the ultimate game is suspect, but so to would be dimissing it as irrelevant. The game influenced a generation, and it has some redeeming qualities that I think everyone can appreciate.

I have heard criticisms that Square dumbed down the battles around the time that they released FFVII. I haven't played much before that game, but I think that's a reasonalbe assertion. Looking back at the game now, I can see it's really quite easy to win 95% of the combat.

Even aspects of the story seem weak, particularily in regards to Vincent and Yuffie's backstories. I hated how the Turks just felt more irrelevant with each meeting. Cait Sith's monologue at the Cetra temple confused me, since he has another copy waiting to step forward, but I can see that Square just did that to set up the player for true despair at the murder of Aeries (that, I have to admit, made my jaw drop and I almost cried). Sephiroth's behavior didn't always make sense to me either. Granted he's a madman, but a godlike madman. To me it often seems as though he gave Cloud an easy time and made the fight harder for himself. But fantasy bad guys often make counter-intuitive actions.

What were you refering to when you mentioned off-spinning? I guess I do tangent a fair amount.

I can never feel confident saying that FFVII is the ultimate game. I think it's one of the greatest, but my field of "greatest" is pretty broad. I think its more appropriate to say that FFVII is an important game, signifigant. I was a big success for Square, and a leap forward for the JRPG genre. A lot more consumers got into JRPGs, RPGs, and gaming general (not to mention became more interested in Japan) because of FFVII. It's a cultural artifact, something that should be remembered, though not universally lauded.

In my mind, the epitome of a game truly worthy of "greatest" might be Shadow of the Colossus. Few other games can legitimately be called art. Shadow is to video games as Watchmen was to graphic novels (putting concerns about length aside).

And a lot of people bring up Halo in these threads. I like Bungie, and my friend loves them. He introduced me to them long before Halo, he liked them ages before Halo. Everyone seems to forget Myth and Myth II, the most overlooked, underappreciated games of the 20th century. Those games were deep on themes and narrative, contained physics engines way ahead of their time, and challenge players at every turn. Today's gamers would probably whine a lot if they encountered Myth. I just think that's another great.

And yes, I tangented. Sue me. :p
 

Arsen

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People can say all they want about how bad the FF series is until they play three essential games:

FF7
FF6
FFT

Once you play those then get back with me and tell me the FF series is horrible.
 

Brockyman

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Onmi said:
Brockyman said:
Cause angsty teenagers, chicks, and the really bored need games too?
Ah finally unbanned, One thing to say.

Do. Some. Damn. Research.

Nobody likes an idiot who runs their mouth and you very clearly have NO idea what what your talking about. Please do us a favor and come back with something thought out. Or better yet don't post.
One Thing To Say:

Take. The. Fucking. Joke. And. Don't. Get. So. Offended!

I was hoping to use some satire to start a funny dialogue, but apperently you have some issues I guess I should have foreseen fanboyism to come.

I know exactly what I'm talking about. I don't like Final Fantasy games (or most JRPGS, or anything turn-based), they aren't my cup of tea.

However, if you look at my other posts, you know that I detest anykind of fanboyism like this. Final Fantasy games don't effect my existance or my gaming in the slightest, so I really don't care one way or the other. Like I said, I posted this for some humor and interesting conversation.

However, just b/c you like them and I don't, doesn't give you a right to attack me.

I don't like it, but you do, so go for it, and have fun, figure out if your going to get the PS3 or the 360 version of the new one, and try not to get so offended about things. It's an internet forum. Life is too short
 

BlueTomfoolery

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I hated FFXII. Is it really that good? The fighting-system is weaksauce and the starting area is too big for me to get comfortable in.
 

Galletea

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Onmi said:
For me? yes, it is a game of 'your Mileage may vary'

Please clarify your statements, if you are saying the battle-system is bad, please give a reason.

also a nice open expansive area is... well. I think it's a good thing, it's immersive, I think FFXII did it's world wonderfully, it wasn't a straight line, it had depth and a believable atmosphere.
I liked the expansive areas, and the fighting system was fine, but what killed that for me was the pacing of the story. By the time I could defeat the next boss, I'd lost interest in what had happened. Seeing what the enemy was doing when they were on the other side of the map didn't sit right with me either.
So it wasn't my thing. Still I don't see why it would need saving as a series. I think I'm in a minority, and I'm usually ignored as I hated VII.
Edit: oops I seem to have got my threads mixed up there.
 

Snakktastic

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FF7 is overrated I don't like it never have liked it. Given the CG movie was awesome. FF8 is the most fun I've had with a FF game in ages. Triple Triad and the Junction system was quite different enjoyable + getting to lvl 99 right at the start is always fun for me lol.