Final Fantasy X ruined Final Fantasy (and Square)

[JediMB]

FF6 & CT were the pinnacle of Square.

I will agree on that Chrono Trigger is a masterpiece, but I honestly can't understand what it is people see in Final Fantasy VI. To me the entirety of the PlayStation generation of FF games was superior to all the previous parts of the series.

 

[Yvl9921]

Uh, yeah, those are all subjective observations, poorly informed ones at that. You especially lost credibility points saying that Tidus was whiny. I shouldn't have to explain why, or rather, I'm not going to get anywhere by doing so.

 

[Tasachan]

Blitzball was still utterly horrid though. What an awful excuse of a minigame, and I especially resented the game for forcing me to play it, even once. It was disappointing, to say the least, especially after some stellar minigames in previous entries in the series.

This. I was so, so pissed when I spent an hour going through the tutorial trying to figure out how to play the stupid thing, and ended up losing terribly. Then my friend tries, skips the entire tutorial, mashes whatever buttons she chooses, and wins? What the hell? :|
And any time they tried to offer to play it again (as in, every save sphere) I'd get a little ticked. Like I'd EVER want to play that stupid game again. Ha!


I quite liked the airship travel, because the tedious world exploration and CRAPLOAD of random encounters makes me irritable. Hell, the Calm lands & Thunder plains were enough to make me frustrated.
... and I liked Rikku. She was cute. Yuna is kinda annoying in the beginning (she talks like she's out of breath sometimes) but closer to the end she's ok.

Wakka would probably be more tolerable if it weren't for his ridiculous character design, stupid name, and silly "island" accent. It still kills me that he's voiced by John DiMaggio (Bender, Marcus Fenix). Oh also, his weapon is a volleyball.

I hated Wakka most of all. Everything he said was just.... argh! Why, WHY does he say "ya" after everything? And why is his hair so stupid?
BUT
I actually had a theory about how the heck a volleyball would do actual damage.
Maybe its filled with water? I mean, if it was full of air, it would float away during the Blitzball game, wouldn't it?
A ball full of water would hurt a lot, actually.

 

[Tasachan]

Double post, sry. (stupid slow connection!!)

Uh... uh...

Auron sure was cool!

 

[Iggy Rufflebar]

I for one really enjoyed blitzball, well the final fantasy X one, the final fantasy X-2 one was horrific, was nice to have something to take you away from the horrific random encounter after random encounter.

and the levelling system just meant it was something I could get into as I like to see arbitrary figures go up wheeeee

 

[Veldaroth]

Now, I kinda thought it all went down hill with 9, mostly because I didn't really like any of the characters. Same goes for 10. Tidus was so annoying. It is hard to enjoy the plot when you don't care about any of the characters.
Granted, there were a few cool chars, like Auron, but when you don't like the hero, that's a problem

 

[WhiteFangofWhoa]

Never. X is my all-time favorite of the series. Hell, I just recently popped it back in and got hooked on the Blitzball alone, really made me appreciate the difficulty curve the league has if you're not turned off by the difficulty of the first match with the Luca Goers (amusingly enough the Goers turn into one of your weakest opponents as you progress, I would say the Al Bhed Psyches are the toughest team to beat if you don't steal their amazing goalie from them).

Opinions are subjective of course, but this one of those rare titles I can't stand ignorant people badmouthing because they didn't give it a chance. You can have your favorite, maybe this wasn't your cup of tea, but to say Square's swan song ruined them is ignorance at its worst.

 

[Weaver]

I disagree. It all went down the tubes with 7.

I agree with this too. I loved the game until I tried to play it again in my adult years. Seriously, to die hards; go back and play it again. You'll wonder what the hell you were thinking back then.

 

[Poofs]

i disagree
Final Fantasy X is my personal favorite in the series because of its deep storyline.
now im going to address one of you faults with the game
one that particularly bothered me
that is that the female characters are useless and cliche
i disagree with this, now lets look at the female characters


1.Yuna

now Yuna is a particularly important character as the entire plot revolves around her

she is a deep character who has to face giving up her own life for the sake of a country
she doesn't know

all this for the sake of only momentary peace.

id say this is enough for a good character without all the development she gets throughout the story and the bizarre love triangle she falls into (Tidus-Yuna-Seymour)


2.Rikku

now Rikku is also a complex character for many reasons

she is of a race that is hated by majority of the world of Spira and one of her own party members

she is the cousin of Yuna, another complex character

she has to deal with the fact that her race wants to kidnap the summoners(Yuna) but she wants to help them, basically making her an outcast everywhere she goes except with Yuna

she also has a complex relationship with Tidus


3.LuLu

LuLu is also an interesting and complex character

she is a guardian because her dead fiancée, Chappu, was a Crusader(they fight sin) and died fighting him

Chappu is Wakka's brother making Wakka and LuLu's relationship strained and awkward

Tidus looks like Chappu, and Wakka treats him as much going as far as to give him his brothers sword, this further complicates the 3 characters relationships



i could go on but this should be enough
btw i liked Blitzball

 

[vf501]

FF7 ruined it initially. It spawned the most rapid JRPG fanbase this side of the Milky Way.
FF9 still remains the most awesome though, but I liked the novelty of the Sphere system.

 

[Vaccine]

I disagree. It all went down the tubes with 7.

I believe it was Spoony who said something along the lines of:

"FF7 wasn't a bad game, it changed Final Fantasy for trying something different and breaking away from its current template, the problem?, it changed everything!

 

[zombiesinc]

I've enjoyed every single Final Fantasy game thus far, minus FFX-2.

The voice acting wasn't that great in FFX, but give 'em a break, it was the first Final Fantasy game to ever include voice acting.

Honestly, every Final Fantasy is different for every Final Fantasy Fanboy... I'm growing tired of everyone complaining one game isn't a copy, or isn't different enough, from another game in the series. You didn't like it? Great, but I don't think it's necessary to shout it out to the world.

 

[badgersprite]

I would agree that X was a step in the wrong direction and started the downhill decline, because that was where the game started to involve the players less and less, even if it was just requiring us to press less buttons or do fewer things over the course of the game, cutting down sidequests and side characters.

But, I will assert that I liked FFX. A lot of people do. I still think it was a generally good game, at least in my memory.

 

[Lullabye]

I disagree. It all went down the tubes with 7.

I gotta agree. 7 was fun for me, and I liked it.....but man did Square fuck that up. If it was left alone, maybe it could've been more respected. But no, theyy had to try and remake it a bajillion times, make a god damn movie about it, and basically set it up as teh original "angst" instigator of all following titles of its kind.
Now I can't look at seven with a happy smile anymore.
(Though I gotta say, at least the games were playable up till 13. that one just took that cake for crap)

 

[Calax]

The laughing scene is actually supposed to be forced and awkward-sounding. It's just as bad in Japanese.

I find it interesting that nobody really realizes this. They're not laughing because something is funny, they're laughing simply to do something stupid to get their minds off other things.

That said I'm gonna expose myself and say this, I enjoyed playing VII X and XIII. Not to say I haven't had problems with them, but I found them to be fun, which is all that matters.

As to the world map stuff and people bringing up "well, it let you run around collecting things and pulling off that rediculously over the top animation/attack that'd be UBERAWESOME (Like w-summon/Knights of the Round; mime; mime)" I have this to say:

Even though you didn't have an actual world map where you went floaty around the world, you still had things that you needed to do ridiculous amounts of work to get (all the aeons for example).

I think where XIII really mis-stepped was the removing of towns (basically). I'm betting most people would put up with the linearity if they had points where they entered a town and wandered around talking to people and having a few adventures. Just small points where it wasn't necessarily linear, but you still had a definite start and end point.

 

[Grygor]

What people fail to realize was 7 was one of the first games to kinda take RPGs out of the medieval era. (Except Phantasy Star which was rocking that boat for ages) So it did do a lot right which many seem to forget.

One of the first, except for a franchise that was already nine years old and had four games out at the time? How does that even begin to make sense?

To say nothing of Robotrek, the Lennus franchise (Paladin's Quest in the US), the Mother franchise (Earthbound in the US), Destiny of an Emperor (set in 2nd-century China), various Shadowrun games, Wild Arms, several other mostly Japan-exclusive games including the Megami Tensei franchise (which was already 10 years old when FF7 came out, though none of them would be seen in North America until a few months afterward)...

or freaking Final Fantasy 6.

 

[Grygor]

The laughing scene is actually supposed to be forced and awkward-sounding. It's just as bad in Japanese.

I find it interesting that nobody really realizes this. They're not laughing because something is funny, they're laughing simply to do something stupid to get their minds off other things.

I'm fairly sure a lot of people who complain about that scene are aware of this, but don't bother to mention it because that fact does not make the scene any less ear-bleedingly awful and embarrassing to watch.

 

[hctib_elttil]

ff when sour when it started trying too hard
this is one example
summons
in 6 and previous games the monsters just turned up and did their thing
took what 10 sec tops
now I can go make dinner while I have the knights of the round destroying my enemies in the background
the fact that I can get up and do something else while playing
the fact that I would want to is not good game design

 

[King Kupofried]

I don't understand how Tidus got such a reputation for being whiny. I can understand how Squall or Cloud could have developed a stigma for it, but I have played through the game several times, he does certainly do his share of complaining, but it always seemed perfectly valid to me or he is very quickly brought out of it. Even that aside the guy is honestly probably one of the most happy-go-lucky main characters of a Final Fantasy game since Bartz. He spends half of his time trying to cheer or psych up everyone else, even the 'Ha Ha Ha!' scene that everyone hates is him trying to keep up good spirits. Is it because of his issues with his Dad?