Final Fantasy XIII-2: The Next FFX-2?

[pyrosaw]

Depending whether or not Square Enix decides to mix it up, I still don't really care.

 

[KILLERTHING]

I like FFXIII and think that a sequel will work.

One thing though...

Why all the hate for X-2? Ive never played it but from what ive seen it doesn't look as bad as everyone makes it out to be.

 

[Joshimodo]

The problem is, XIII was easily one of the worst Final Fantasy games (in the main series, it was probably the worst). X-2 was bad because it's flaws outweighed it's pros, and took away the characterisation (and characters) of X. Plus, it was mostly fanservice.

XIII, on the other hand, had virtually no pros aside from cutscenes being very pretty. XIII-2 will hold even less weight. It will be terrible.

Actually I found FFXIII to be the best FF i've played in quite some time. The actual combat system was very tactical and the actual bosses and even random encounters were pretty darn challenging.

The combat was terrible. The tactics went out the window due to the lack of microing, and it was only challenging because you had no control over your allies.

 

[scnj]

Could go either way. They could stick to the formula and end up with something worse (or comparable) or they could look at the feedback and shake up the gameplay until they get something better. There's no sense whining about it until they release more information.

 

[supermariner]

i don't understand how they can possibly get Fang and Vanille back
so i don't think they will
and i actually liked the two of them
mainly because Fang was kick-ass and vanille had the death trick
i'm going to wait for it to come out
check out some gameplay and some reviews and see if i'll opt for it

as it goes i didn't hate FF13
but i nowhere near liked it

 

[mentalkitty789]

I, like many was looking forward to Final Fantasy XIII as X-2 was crap (althrough I played all of it so I could get the tidus ending) and Final Fantasy XII was just return of the jedi with different characters but when I finaly played it I hated it. personaly I think the gameplay in the older Final Fantasys could get boring and repetative but I pushed through it for the epic storys. FF XIII had a crap story, crap characters (seriously howbig of a douch was Snow) and crap gameplay. It looked good that was about it.

The last good FF was X and that was made by SquareSoft before they joined with Enix to make square enix. Since then they have made no good FFs. In regards to XIII-2 it will be crap. The guy in charge of the project has only done 2 other FFs before this and they were X-2 and XIII. They said in the press conference that they would improve on evry aspect of XIII which should not be hard. I will give Final Fantasy verses XIII a chance but if they fuck that up then I will consider the franchise dead and look back at the older games and cry.

Sorry for the rant but Squere Enix have been treating us old FF fans like shit and I have had enough!

When it comes to FF X I half agree with you half don't. With FFX it did have good gameplay but the story made me want to vomit. Tidus constantly bitching about how it was his story, the blue-veined loser who got his ass kicked more than team rocket. The fact the took the time to focus on blitzball when there is a giant monster wrecking the world killing who knows how many innocent people. Also Yevon being an evil deer tick, seriously weak 'last' boss. The only things I liked in the game were Lulu, Auron, and the gameplay. Also seeing Tidus's father talk shit to him. Even when he was dieing he was mocking him. Now that is good parenting when your child is that bastard. Also...the laughing scene.... It will haunt me even after death.

 

[OliverTwist72]

The only thing FF I can get excited about is Versus but since that is PS3 exclusive and I own an Xbox I am not really excited about anything FF. I really wish I had the option to kill/mute Hope within the first 5 minutes of his character being introduced. I have never felt so much hatred toward a character in my own party before.

 

[tklivory]

I think it is safe to say that FFXIII and FFX-2 have something in common: they weren't true 'Final Fantasy' games, yet they weren't bad games in their own right. Both of those games were vast departures from what fans thought they wanted, and both paid the price in being the butt of jokes amongst FF fans since their respective releases.

Yet they really weren't horrible games in and of themselves. Were they fantastic? Nah, but they weren't the anti-Sakaguchi the way that people seem to think they are. My general take on the FFXIII controversy is this: Lost Odyssey - with the same director/creator and same composer as FFX (among others involved) - is the real FFXIII for those who want the FF 'formula' applied to a game. If FFXIII had been released as Chrysalis of Cocoon or something, it would likely have gotten similar reviews as Resonance of Fate or The Last Remnant - mixed, with some fans, but overall not a huge topic of conversation.

Remember, Square-Enix (and Square before them) has always taken chances with the FF name (FFX-2 and FF: Spirits Within being failures, but FFVII being an overwhelming success), and the series has never remained static. Hell, even the spin-offs of FFVII have a pretty good variety of gameplay even when it failed (like Dirge of Cerebus).

In short: if you want the same game year in and year out, go play the Dragon's Quest or Tales series (both of which I love, but they tend to all feel the same). If you want a game that changes from increment to increment and are willing to take the bad along with the good, then play Final Fantasy. It may not always produce gems, but the gems that come out of that process last a long, long time.

Or just wait for Hironobu Sakaguchi's next game [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/99783-Sakaguchi-Last-Story-Not-a-Final-Fantasy-Rehash].

As for FFXIII-2, I'll probably pick it up. I'll probably enjoy it. As much as the other installments in the series? Probably not, but as long as the 1hr/$1 ratio holds out, I'll still get my money's worth.

 

[MegaManOfNumbers]

I'm pretty sure its just Square Enix's attempt to redeem themselves after the horrid atrocity of FF13.

why are they making this retardation instead of Kingdom Hearts 3 or releasing FF Versus 13 or FF Type-0?!

 

[ModsDeleteThisAccountPlease]

FFXIII wasn't a terrible game. It most definitely wasn't what the fans wanted, sacrificing exploration for story. But for what it was, it worked. Non-flat characters for one and beautiful set pieces and amazing cut scenes. Personally, I feel the battle system worked for what it was, only if let you control all three.

I felt X-2 was sub par because it was a direct continuation of X within a few years. XIII-2 seems to be taking centuries after XIII based upon the futuristic designs. The game seems to focus more on action than XIII who's opening trailer was all bout emotions and loss. This one conveys more anger and emptiness, especially in Lightnings character. Exploring all of these changes will be interesting, so I'm buying.

 

[PurpleLeafRave]

I...liked Final Fantasy XIII. And I think Final Fantasy XIII-2 will improve on everything and I will love it.
I liked both the characters and the combat. Call me strange if you like.

 

[ModsDeleteThisAccountPlease]

I get the feeling they'll solve some problems people had with FF13, lack of towns etc. But if it was loved in Japan then they probably wont change much. Who know the combat might even be turned based.

Their outlaws being hunted down by the military... They can't walk into a town. Makes sense when you look back on it....

 

[Tirak]

I liked XIII, I really liked the relationship between Lighting, Snow and Serah. Though I have to admit Vanille and Hope made we want to kill something.

I also to some extent liked X-2, it tied up a very annoying loose end, or rather rewrote an ending I didn't like that much. Kind of like a cathartic fanfiction really. And the gameplay wasn't bad either. Like the other people here who enjoyed those games, I think you're giving the game a bad rap before you know anything about it.

 

[Zack Curran]

Sequels are what RUIN RPG games, personally.
FFX-2 is a SEQUEL.

And NO, FF1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12 and 13 are NOT sequels of each other. and THATS why they're so popular. Having said that, xiii-2 COULD be terrible, but then again thats working on speculation. Its far too soon to tell. :S

 

[Lordpils]

Considering FFX is nothing like FFXIII, you can't really compare FFX-2 to FFXIII-2.

It has a pretty good chance of sucking, a lot of people will hate it instantly for what it is, I don't think it'll get many good reviews.

But hey, maybe they'll pull something amazing out of thin air and we'll get a good FF game.

Just sayin', it could happen.

True FFXIII-2 seems to be focusing on the only character I could tolerate (Everyone, but Lightning and the guy with the chocobo in his hair pissed me off to no end) so it could theoretically be good, but I won't hold my breath.

 

[tklivory]

Sequels are what RUIN RPG games, personally.
FFX-2 is a SEQUEL.

B-b-b-b-but... Baldur's Gate II! (jk)

Hmmm, I'll have to think about that one. Is Mass Effect worse than Mass Effect 2? Did Chrono Cross ruin Chrono Trigger? And what about Crisis Core (ignore that Dirge of Cerebus behind the curtain)?

I think sequels can easily ruin any series (any genre of games, movies, books, etc) except that every once in a while a sequel will come through that makes the whole 'sequel' business worth it - like Assassin's Creed II, Xenosaga, and Fallout 3!

Still, a series that increments with no connection between increments probably should have stayed out of the whole sequel business altoghether (even though, as I stated, I quite enjoyed FFX-2).

Just my 2 cents in response to your nickel, o' course.

 

[Defense]

Well, for the XIII haters, just think about it this way. When you're at rock bottom, you can only go up right?

The combat was terrible. The tactics went out the window due to the lack of microing, and it was only challenging because you had no control over your allies.

I call bullshit. The combat(equipment wise at least) actually has more depth because every piece of random armor you find in a dungeon isn't better than what you have. It takes more strategy to work with what you have than to upgrade to a piece of armor that's better in every way. And the magic is also like this because of AoE. Fire is no longer a completely useless spell after you get Fira. Not that every part of the game had improved tactics.

Not that the Final Fantasy series is a particularly deep series. Final Fantasy VI was so broken that the last boss could be beaten by a single low level Terra.

More like the next FFXIII. It will suck. I can't wait for Square-Enix to go under. Everything they develop is shit now.

That's a really horrible thing to say. Square Enix is one of the bigger companies that exist, and you want the company do go out of business because you don't like what they're making.

 

[loremazd]

The problem is, XIII was easily one of the worst Final Fantasy games (in the main series, it was probably the worst). X-2 was bad because it's flaws outweighed it's pros, and took away the characterisation (and characters) of X. Plus, it was mostly fanservice.

XIII, on the other hand, had virtually no pros aside from cutscenes being very pretty. XIII-2 will hold even less weight. It will be terrible.

Actually I found FFXIII to be the best FF i've played in quite some time. The actual combat system was very tactical and the actual bosses and even random encounters were pretty darn challenging.

The combat was terrible. The tactics went out the window due to the lack of microing, and it was only challenging because you had no control over your allies.

I enjoy how you speak for me, and actually the tactics came with overall planning of the different stances and how you switched between them in order to weaken the monsters for extra damage. Once you got over the concept that you control the entire party and the flow of battle rather than the individuals and the individual spells, it actually became rather deep and involved, to me.

You're welcome to disagree, but "The combat sucks" will never, ever be a fact, and, frankly, you need to learn that your way of looking at things isn't the only one.