Final Schmantasy 13

[PedroSteckecilo]

I don't have much of a problem with the characters...except Hope, he can die in a fire, the thing that has annoyed me thus far is the party splitting,

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like in the Ville Peaks, Sazh, Vanille and Hope? r u fucking srs? three casters?

other than that I am genuinely enjoying it.

All characters have multiple roles.

yeah and all three of them have caster jobs, no commando to be seen, it's really annoying, at least I'm past that malarkey now.

Sazh gets Commando at the end of the Vile Peaks section, just as Lightning gets Medic.

 

[Wolfram23]

I like Snow, and I like Vanille simply because she's hilarious. Her running is just retardedly funny and that part with the "Ciao!" made me and my gf laugh pretty hard. Sazh is great, love the Chocobo chick. Hope is annoying but it's understandable if you just pretend he's 8 years old. And Lightning is pretty bland so far. Nice looking and good in combat tho.

Also, the combat of this game is good and all, except you can pretty much get by with auto attacking so it's so ridiculously easy. Occasionaly Paradigm shifts help... I'm not very far in I really, really hope it gets harder. But I really like the implementation so yea with a little more challenge I'll be happy.

The game looks fantastic! Best graphics I've seen so far (as in artistic style). For instance the Basha lake or whatever it's called blew my mind it looked so amazing.

EDIT: On Vanille's accent, it does seem to shift a little but imo just pass it off as being "outlandish" and it's all good. I mean, she's not an Earthling after all. (I know they do try to emulate the accents of different real cultures but still, it's alright, right?)

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

suprisingly i dont like sazhe that much, but i like everyone else

 

[Matt_LRR]

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Very interesting point about the perception of characters based on sex. I'm inclined to agree that females tend to have a harder time being 'edgy', but that's not so much a problem from gamers but much rather a result of the way men and females have been portrayed in art through tradition.

I have to say this though:

I think you give Lightning too much credit. I haven't played far, but as far as I can tell I don't see deep/complex emotions in her. She's just too lifeless, in order for a brilliantly flawed character to work you have to give me a lot more range than her annoyed growls. I haven't played FF7 but if Cloud was as blunt as Lightning, I'd dislike him just as much.

Thing is though, if you account for the context the game puts her in early on, the fact that there's more to her than "just being a *****" is plainly evident. It's not that subtle.

In Final Fantasy 7, Cloud started as a mercenary dick. He went on his first mission, with a group he didn't like, for money. He didn't care about their mission, he didn't even want to know their names. He completed the mission, came home, and demanded his pay.

6 hours into the game, Cloud was well into his adventure, having realized that there's some force at play behind the scenes, and his goals have now alligned with avalance's against the Shin-Ra, and they're becoming friends.


In 13, the game starts as lightning is undergoing the worst moments of her life. She fails to save her sister, has a thousand things going on in her head, and this is compuonded by the fact that she rapidly picks up a group of tag-alongs she doesn't want, because they're just making her job harder.

6 hours into the game, we're still in the hours following the worst day of her life. Her sister is dead. She's become an enemy of the state. She can never go home. The world she knew and protected with her life now wants her dead. Flashbacks make apparent that she's not especially socailly skilled. She doesn't have much sense of humour, and is ill at ease with other people. She now has to deal not only with the fallout from her failed mission, and cope with the emotion of having just lost the one person on the planet she had a connection to, but also has to protect a couple of kids, a guy from the train, and her sister's fiancee, who keeps making overtures about how he's going to be this great hero and protect everyone when so far he's been woefully incapable of doing so far.

6 hours in, she still hasn't had an opportunity to decompress, or cope, she's still just trying to get out alive. She doesn't have a lot of patience for the antics of the group, because those antics make her job, getting them out in one piece, much harder, and she only lashes out at snow when he's being a wank.

Lightning is well written and believable. She's acting in a crisis, facing loss and tragedy. Six hours after letting your sister die and getting exiled, you'd be angry at the world too.

My point, isn't even necessarily that she's not a *****, it's more that at this point in the game, it's way too early to be making that judgement, partuicularly since the game has cast her in a role that requires the mental outlook she's expressing, and is providing lots of reasons for her to act the way she does.

Basically, her actions are not irrational, or especially unwarranted.

-m

 

[Zenn3k]

Well, for me combat has really started to pick up to the point where its finally interesting. Although I wish they'd start giving me more stuff to use already, the progression on new abilities and such is a bit slow. For example, all my weapons and such are all "Level 1" and I can only ASSUME there is some kinda crafting system for all these completely useless components I keep finding but can't use at all.

Lightening is still Cloud with a Vagina, she even looks like him.

 

[kawaiiamethist]

I have Snow. I REALLY hate Snow. He is beyond infuriating to listen to. The hero complex thing is just not cute.

As for Vanille...she and Fang are the stuff of yuri dreams

 

[Syntax Man]

As for Vanille...she and Fang are the stuff of yuri dreams

strikes me as...an odd couple