Flash Game Makes Players Beat Up "Tropes vs. Women" Creator

[Moonlight Butterfly]

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Because sexy is THE ONLY thing that they are. They are never portrayed as just a person and like the victim in the short skirt that is all the hateful cop sees because he is tuned by the media to think women are nothing but tits and ass and not actually people.

I gave an example of his argument your response was to say that men must be sexualised because they have their shirts off!. >_>

I'm done for tonight, but I combat your claim that Lara Croft is less of a character because, despite being a strong female heroine she is sexualized, with this picture of my favorite male hero, Solid Snake.

Yeah one example which no women find attractive, well done! I'm not even going to justify the tuxedo thing with a response. You really think a tuxedo is the same as bondage gear? :|

It sexual is NOT the only thing they are, that is YOUR prejudice at work, you see sexy and that is all you see because you are quite literally obsessed with sex.

To say Lara Croft or any protagonist is purely sexual displays an ignorance ON YOUR PART. YOU are like the hated cop.

Excuse me but can you please find a man's butt that is more perfect?

Nope I only see them as sex objects because that is how they are portrayed. I'm nothing like the cop ^^ The person making the sexualised characters is like the cop though in that they think women are only there to be gazed at and the only worth they have is how they look. How often do you see unattractive women in games? Whereas there is E. Honda and Dhalsim and Vladof and about a hundred other guys who have 'unattractive' body shapes.

That butt doesn't do anything for me. It's just a bottom, out of context it's not sexy.

 

[LHZA]

There not THAT nonsensical people are making it out like they were completely naked I mean its a matter of context and any hitman fan will tell ya that those chicks totally fit.

The trailer was harmless and yeah if i needed a sneaking suit cheap some tight leather might be the way id go. also sexy distracts its harder for men to kill some women I know it would be for me. am I sexist for that weakness? maybe but i make no apologies.

In any case who cares when the game comes out kill those bitches make a hooray for sex negative feminism and lets all move on to somethin else.lol

Leather would be horrible! It doesn't breath, so you'd over heat easily, if you sweat in it it starts to smell, it's tough and doesn't move very well, also, it shrinks when it gets wet. It would also make a lot of noise. I would say spandex, that material they make Lululemon pants out of, or anything that holds close to the body and wicks. Gotta have wicking. Same goes for latex. Latex sneaking suit is just a stupid idea.

 

[Bassik]

I have not read the entire thread (20 pages, the internet must really care), but wanted to share my opinion on this, because like many people, I feel strongly about it.

In my opinion, everything about this, from the game, to the reaction of people on this forum, to the reaction of the internet in general, just PROVES that what she is doing is necessary.

For Pete's sake, we're all adults here, yeah? If not, get off the internet and play with your legoes.

And Internet people: What is it with you and women?

 

[Ragsnstitches]

I have not read the entire thread (20 pages, the internet must really care), but wanted to share my opinion on this, because like many people, I feel strongly about it.

In my opinion, everything about this, from the game, to the reaction of people on this forum, to the reaction of the internet in general, just PROVES that what she is doing is necessary.

For Pete's sake, we're all adults here, yeah? If not, get off the internet and play with your legoes.

And Internet people: What is it with you and women?

No "we're" not all adults. A lot of the folk here are under 20, quite a few haven't even left school yet. I read some of the posters on this topic and I think back to when I was 14-16. I would have agreed with some of them back then. But I've just can't ignore what I've seen since then and it has changed my view on such topics entirely.

It's quite humbling actually, it goes to show that no matter what we think of ourselves now, in the future are own opinions can completely change. If I was talking to my 8-years-younger-self I would be getting quite annoyed by his narrow view of the subject.

 

[Blade_125]

I hope you stop using the word "misogyny" like that. It would be misogyny if they hated all women this way, but they don't.
They just hate her.

They hate her because she's a woman who had the gall to speak for herself and criticize their beloved pastime. You can turn your head sideways and squint and maybe come up with a reason to dislike Anita Sarkeesian, but none of those reasons could possibly justify the numerous threats and endorsements of rape and violence against her. Whatever mild annoyance or disagreement these people might have had with her were amplified a million-fold because she happened to be a woman who is not currently making them a sandwich.

That's still not misogyny. They won't hate a woman who doesn't agree with her.

They don't hate other women, they just hate her. That is your stance?

Why do they hate Anita? Because of what she said.

Then maybe the next question you should ask is why do they hate what she says?

Maybe you think that they disagree with her opinion. That would be fine if it was simple disagrement. But that isn't the case is it.

Whenever someone disagrees this badly there is more to it than simple disagreement. I seriously doubt they disagree based on harm coming from her arguments.

I think maybe you protest too much, as you sure are pandering to make excuses for the stong reactions.

Excuses? I just want the word "misogyny" to be used correctly, because it's becoming as useless as "entitlement" at this rate.

I personally believe that if a man came out with this exact same Kickstarter, stating the exact same things, and getting a ridiculous amount of money, the controversy would be about the same. That's why I don't see the "misogyny" business, because nothing would change if it was a man except maybe a few different cuss words.

I think you are living in a dream world if you think a man would be treated the same way, but feel free to think waht you will. One of the reasons I think things like these videos is a good idea is that maybe someone will watch it and stop to think about their actions, and reactions, any maybe try and treat every equally.

As we see from the reaction to this on the net, and even on this site, not everyone will stop and think, or even respond in an adult mannor. Change is a slow process though. Slavery has't been illegal for even 200 years yet. Women have only been allowed to vote in most western countries for just over 100 years. Change doesn't move fast, but it has to begin somewhere.

And why don't we ignore the word misogyny. I think it safe to say that the guy who created this game, and those who will use it, have issues with women, whatever those issues may be. Labels can be follish since we argue over the definition of the word and not what the real issue is.

 

[Calibanbutcher]

I have not read the entire thread (20 pages, the internet must really care), but wanted to share my opinion on this, because like many people, I feel strongly about it.

In my opinion, everything about this, from the game, to the reaction of people on this forum, to the reaction of the internet in general, just PROVES that what she is doing is necessary.

For Pete's sake, we're all adults here, yeah? If not, get off the internet and play with your legoes.

And Internet people: What is it with you and women?

No "we're" not all adults. A lot of the folk here are under 20, quite a few haven't even left school yet. I read some of the posters on this topic and I think back to when I was 14-16. I would have agreed with some of them back then. But I've just can't ignore what I've seen since then and it has changed my view on such topics entirely.

It's quite humbling actually, it goes to show that no matter what we think of ourselves now, in the future are own opinions can completely change. If I was talking to my 8-years-younger-self I would be getting quite annoyed by his narrow view of the subject.

That is a reason for why I am quite unfazed.
I know, that a lot of these "evil trolls" are simply male teenagers suffering from a condition known as severe puberty.
At the time being, their hormone levels simply go crazy, clouding their judgement and affecting them in many ways.
In many cases, they don't even understand themselves, which is why they react aggresive towards, well, basically eveything, which is why I simply ignore many of their comments, seeing as many of them will still grow up to be decent adults, as soon as the brains wins it's fight against the storm of hormones.

 

[thanatos388]

Nope, its gone, all my hope that people in game/nerd culture whatever could be mature and possible grow out of the recent female backlash is gone. Sorry but this just destroyed all the hope i had left. Thank you internet dumbasses.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

thank you for proving Ms. Sarkeesian's point, dumbass.

What this person said.
Hope the irony isn't lost on you.

 

[cobra_ky]

It is very, very difficult to make comparisons because different countries have different definitions of rape, and enforcement also depends on cultural attitudes towards sexual assault and how seriously the authorities take it. If the victims don't think the police are going to do anything about it anyway, then they aren't going to bother reporting it, especially when doing so can open them up to shaming and more harassment.

<a href=http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nn20101015a2.html#.T_n6t_UZ-nA>Train groping is drastically underreported in Japan.

And I'm not just making assumptions about Egypt, either. It's only relevant insofar as it's an example of how unreliable reported rape statistics are.

OK, but something MUST be able to be concluded from the 25-fold difference in reported incidence per 100'000 or rapes between the USA and Japan. How can that be down to under-reporting? If it is that is a totally unacceptable level of under reporting which must be addressed, this means at least 95% of rapes are going unreported for it to be the same incidence per capita as America and 100% of rapes reported in America.

And I have said before, there is under-reporting in both Japan and America, you can't only consider under-reporting in Japan, that's cooking the books.

SOMETHING can be gleaned from this: to spite the extreme pornographic fiction all signs point to Japan having a low crime rate across the board, including sexual crimes. This contradicts Ms Sarkeesian's spurious link between sexy adverts and passengers being molested.

I'm not sure why you're bringing up the US or why such a comparison is relevant. All I've shown is that police reports are not a reliable indicator for the prevalence of sexual harassment in general, and train-groping in Japan in particular.

As i said before, sexual assaults are under-reported to varying degrees in various countries, and without accurate statistics it is very difficult to make comparisons.

a 2500% difference in under-reporting? 100% of all US crimes would have to be reported and 95% of crimes in Japan go unreported to settle that difference.

I think not. You can't dismiss such statistics.

Again, why are you even talking about the U.S.? The statistic you cited regarding police reports of rape in Japan is not an adequate measure of the prevalence of sexual assaults there. 90% of Japanese women who are groped on trains do not report it to the police. America has absolutely nothing to do with it.

 

[Treblaine]

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It's always been something that bothered me... Nintendo magazine started using half naked models in their magazine in the 90's I complained so did a few others but their response was bascially 'Lol girls don't play video games'

I have had to put up with that crap for 30 odd years. In that time the only female characters that I have been able to relate to have been Lara Croft (who is arguably still massively sexualised) and Jennifer from Primal.

I was bullied and called a 'lesbian' at school for liking video games....

As for the Hitman trailer there was no reason for those women to be in those outfits other than titillation, they are sex objects and that is the problem I have with it.

"put up with this crap"

It's called tolerance. I'm sorry you are so unaccepting and intolerant of women showing their body, but that is your problem.

"their response was bascially 'Lol girls don't play video games'"

Are you sure it wasn't more like 'males play video games and most women don't mind'. If women did mind about seeing women "half naked" then why are women's magazines filled cover to cover with "half naked" women?

"they are sex objects"

Sex object is something like a ditzy go-go dancer who does nothing but dance and needs literally EVERYTHING done for her in the story. She NEVER takes up arms nor actively preserves herself like through escaping and misdirection. Sex object is a persona who is effectively JUST a sexy-dancing machine, or a lay down and get screwed machine.

Now you've been told, don't misuse the term any more.

Imagine you have a hobby right. You love it more than anything. It's all you do in your spare time. Yet the opinion of you out in the world in that you couldn't possibly really love your hobby because of the genitals you were born with. It's not exactly fun I can tell you.

I guarantee you, virtually no one holds that opinion and anyone who holds that hold that opinion is by definition an utter moron as that is such a moronic thing to think... that you can't love gaming because you don't have a penis... it's just fundamentally moronic.

PS: I was bullied at my school, and they called me gay for not liking sports. People at school are stupid. It says nothing about wider society.

 

[Treblaine]

Again, why are you even talking about the U.S.? The statistic you cited regarding police reports of rape in Japan is not an adequate measure of the prevalence of sexual assaults there. 90% of Japanese women who are groped on trains do not report it to the police. America has absolutely nothing to do with it.

America has everything to do with the idea she puts out that Japan has much worse sex crimes because of the advertising they have there and the media's tolerance in general.

"police reports of rape in Japan is not an adequate measure of the prevalence of sexual assaults there."

Wow, that's an amazing piece of evidence you have there *cough*sarcasm*cough*, but I have a counter-argument:

"police reports of rape in Japan IS an adequate measure of the prevalence of sexual assaults there."

See? Baseless assertions can be made by anyone.

If 90% of women don't report groping on trains (as you claim) then THAT is the problem. Unwanted sexual molestation is a serious crime that must be detected and stopped. If the abusers go unpunished and emboldened they are more likely to take it further, the abusers are still out there unstopped, more segregation will be needed in all aspects of life.

 

[Treblaine]

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Because sexy is THE ONLY thing that they are. They are never portrayed as just a person and like the victim in the short skirt that is all the hateful cop sees because he is tuned by the media to think women are nothing but tits and ass and not actually people.

I gave an example of his argument your response was to say that men must be sexualised because they have their shirts off!. >_>

I'm done for tonight, but I combat your claim that Lara Croft is less of a character because, despite being a strong female heroine she is sexualized, with this picture of my favorite male hero, Solid Snake.

Yeah one example which no women find attractive, well done! I'm not even going to justify the tuxedo thing with a response. You really think a tuxedo is the same as bondage gear? :|

It sexual is NOT the only thing they are, that is YOUR prejudice at work, you see sexy and that is all you see because you are quite literally obsessed with sex.

To say Lara Croft or any protagonist is purely sexual displays an ignorance ON YOUR PART. YOU are like the hated cop.

Excuse me but can you please find a man's butt that is more perfect?

Nope I only see them as sex objects because that is how they are portrayed. I'm nothing like the cop ^^ The person making the sexualised characters is like the cop though in that they think women are only there to be gazed at and the only worth they have is how they look. How often do you see unattractive women in games? Whereas there is E. Honda and Dhalsim and Vladof and about a hundred other guys who have 'unattractive' body shapes.

That butt doesn't do anything for me. It's just a bottom, out of context it's not sexy.

You argument is circular, they are portrayed as sex objects because they are portrayed as sex objects. You refuse to consider how you are like the cop in blaming women for dressing sexually rather than preaching tolerance and acceptance.

You are complaining now that there aren't actively "ugly" women when almost all male protagonists have the rugged good looks like every leading man in nearly every Hollywood movie. See there is such a shortage of female protagonist if they had the same probability of a "unconventionally plain" looking character, it's good chances you wouldn't even see any examples of them.

By the way... what do you find so wrong with Dhalsim?

Spoiler

I know men who'd sacrifice their nads to the steroid gods to get as ripped as him.

PS: The hypocrisy you have towards arses is farcical. Male, female, straight, gay, you can't deny a fine ass when you see it... unless its convenient for your prejudice.

 

[Rainboq]

I'm inclined to agree that it was little more than a scam, but I don't really see how you can blame her that there are gullible retards that will throw money at a perceived injustice to feel better about themselves.

Were it not for the legal nonsense involved with kickstarters, I'd probably run a similar scam just to teach dumb people a lesson.

How is it a scam? She wanted to make a series of videos, she needed the funds to do so and she asked people for the funds on Kickstarter. The amount she got is pretty staggering, but she's promised to really increase the size of the series to use up all the money.

OT: And this is why we can't have nice things. -_-

 

[rbstewart7263]

I'm inclined to agree that it was little more than a scam, but I don't really see how you can blame her that there are gullible retards that will throw money at a perceived injustice to feel better about themselves.

Were it not for the legal nonsense involved with kickstarters, I'd probably run a similar scam just to teach dumb people a lesson.

How is it a scam? She wanted to make a series of videos, she needed the funds to do so and she asked people for the funds on Kickstarter. The amount she got is pretty staggering, but she's promised to really increase the size of the series to use up all the money.

OT: And this is why we can't have nice things. -_-

go watch her videos on the inherent sexism in christmas songs her bayonetta video, her kanyes monster video.

she overreaches and is not the woman to tackle such a problem only exacerbate it.

 

[rbstewart7263]

I have not read the entire thread (20 pages, the internet must really care), but wanted to share my opinion on this, because like many people, I feel strongly about it.



Now if she wanted to say that the "video game community" was sexist, well then realize that by agreeing with her that you are admitting that you and every other person that plays games including herself is sexist.

Shes smart enough not to make that big a generalization but not so smart as to do the real research needed.

Im all for sex positive fems myself so I largely always find issue with her claims