America, if no one minds me saying (If you don't mind, please don't tell me, because I'm still saying it), is a horrible place when it comes to intelligence. So, apparently, we can say that 'I beat this kid up because my Muslim religion commands me to do so in the Qu'ran', but yet we can be arrested for causing a little verbal rustle by insulting someone's nationality (Disorderly)? Like Athens, America has the basis of its laws nailed, but it fails miserably with getting a grip on them. In Athens, for example, one could blame the shopkeeper who sold him the blade when he was accused of murder, the shopkeeper would blame the Blacksmith who forged it, and the Blacksmith would blame the knife itself, thus ending up in the court formally 'drowning' the knife. This is pretty much it, but in a less humorous way.
Flaw in Anti-Bullying Law
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Yeah, I guess me being excluded and beaten up every day because I dared to befriend an autistic boy is nothing to worry about, I mean, kids will be kids! And after all, wouldn't want it to not get resolved (because intervening and explaining to violent little bigots that such actions aren't justified totally isn't resolving anything!)!Last Hugh Alive said:
...gosh hope no one wants to bully the united states... ...with airplanes... ...and have a religious or moral reason... ...that would be quite a shocker wouldn't it...
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QUICK! Let's go bully kids into suicide and vandalize their houses and kill their pets because you know "God said we could"
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I never did like republicans... but it's stuff like this that just tears me up inside... it's sick and wrong and if you're seriously blind or stupid enough to think that bullying is "okay" then you need to be taken out back and shot because they human race doesn't need an idiot like you voting or having ANY human rights AT ALL... it's inhuman to think this is right, and if you're not human, get out
...I think this sums up my thoughts quite nicely... and it's obviously a very VERY touchy subject... please remove that law or bill or whatever it currently is...
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QUICK! Let's go bully kids into suicide and vandalize their houses and kill their pets because you know "God said we could"
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I never did like republicans... but it's stuff like this that just tears me up inside... it's sick and wrong and if you're seriously blind or stupid enough to think that bullying is "okay" then you need to be taken out back and shot because they human race doesn't need an idiot like you voting or having ANY human rights AT ALL... it's inhuman to think this is right, and if you're not human, get out
...I think this sums up my thoughts quite nicely... and it's obviously a very VERY touchy subject... please remove that law or bill or whatever it currently is...
Ok... that's just stupid. Bullying has no legitimate reason. An asshole is an asshole no matter how you cut the shit. I knew a kid who gave me this bullshit excuse that because his parents were divorced when he was young, he was all screwd up. Know what? I told him he didn't deserve to have them ever get back together if he was gonna act like such a little shit. Seriously, this is just asinine. No one has the right to harass another, regardless of their "reasoning".
Whaaaaa...
OK why the fuck would there even be an Anti-Bullying law when kids are law exempt?
And why would that law have exceptions, and the exception being "well if anyone can come up with an excuse then it's cool"?
OK why the fuck would there even be an Anti-Bullying law when kids are law exempt?
And why would that law have exceptions, and the exception being "well if anyone can come up with an excuse then it's cool"?
To be fair, while I'm not fully on board with such a plan, the bullies bring it on themselves. There's nothing wrong with letting people fuck up their own lives. If a kid can't get by without bullying someone, they don't really deserve to be above the bottom rung of society.TU4AR said:
Clearly, you had troubles with bullies. That doesn't necessarily mean the government needs to get involved.Pegghead said:
It never should have gotten physical, the fact that it did is atrocious, but the school should have stopped it long before it got to that point. Someone else said it earlier in the thread, but the law needs to hold the school responsible for what goes on. Any more than that is excessive.
And before the whining starts, I went through something very similar to what you described for the entirety of my time in elementary school. Doesn't mean the government needed to get involved though.
"religious or moral reason??" what kind of twisted fucked up bullshit is that? What kind of religious or moral reason could there possibly be for bullying someone??
Yeah? Well I call it lowing yourself to their level and it's is just as inexcusable.2xDouble said:
That goes double for me.Gmans uncle said:
wow ... I think i just threw up in my mouth a little there ... Considering the fact that you can torment people till they snap now a days and "kinda" get away with it seeing this come to the books really makes me sick.
"oh it ok to pick on a kid if you can justify it", how about a law that justifies murder if i can cite how it positively affected the community? No? yeah didn't think that would fly but hey if we are gonna make up BS to make into law then I have to ask what brain dead moronic slow witted idiot thought this would be a good, no a ok, no an idea that would make a good law?
I never really thought that I could out wit a room full of people before but if I wanna test that idea then the Michigan senate is where i'm gonna start. To quote Lewis black, "I think everyone needs gathered up and taken out for and afternoon of electroshock"
Clearly i'm pissed about this so i'm gonna stop my rant right here
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I await the repeal of this law if it has passed and for all the people that voted yes to, at the same time, smack themselves in the forehead "D'oh!"
"oh it ok to pick on a kid if you can justify it", how about a law that justifies murder if i can cite how it positively affected the community? No? yeah didn't think that would fly but hey if we are gonna make up BS to make into law then I have to ask what brain dead moronic slow witted idiot thought this would be a good, no a ok, no an idea that would make a good law?
I never really thought that I could out wit a room full of people before but if I wanna test that idea then the Michigan senate is where i'm gonna start. To quote Lewis black, "I think everyone needs gathered up and taken out for and afternoon of electroshock"
Clearly i'm pissed about this so i'm gonna stop my rant right here
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I await the repeal of this law if it has passed and for all the people that voted yes to, at the same time, smack themselves in the forehead "D'oh!"
honestly i think people need to go there, with torches and pitch forks but someone has to tell them it was stupid because clearly they didn't think it was so dumb.canadamus_prime said:
Wow, I had no idea this was happening.
I'm not from America, but I know from experience how harmful bullying is.
A close friend of mine killed himself because of it, and I came damn close to it.
I personally can't think of any reason to support this, infact, I feel sick even imagining all those times I got suspended from school for sticking up for myself, to be told that it wasn't bullying because the person in question had a religious reason to push me into a solid brick wall.
I'm just going to stop here, usually I'd delete a message like this and not even post it but my mangled opinion needs to be expressed.
I'm not from America, but I know from experience how harmful bullying is.
A close friend of mine killed himself because of it, and I came damn close to it.
I personally can't think of any reason to support this, infact, I feel sick even imagining all those times I got suspended from school for sticking up for myself, to be told that it wasn't bullying because the person in question had a religious reason to push me into a solid brick wall.
I'm just going to stop here, usually I'd delete a message like this and not even post it but my mangled opinion needs to be expressed.
WTF!!! Kids are not "Law Exempt". Kids have to follow all the laws as well. Children are not exempt from the law. Children are treated and sentenced differently, but they still HAVE to follow the laws.Mr.K. said:
Dude, it's Michigan; they make Texans look like hippies by comparison. I've seen multiple comments that were surprised by this fact in this thread, and it's really kind of baffling.Gmans uncle said:
OT: I'd need to look further into the bill to see what's really going on here. The OP claims that the bill protects bullies who attack people based on religious and moral beliefs, while a few posts later, there's someone who did some research and turned up the opposite; it gives people additional protections from being bullied based on those beliefs. The latter makes a lot more sense, since, you know, it actually fits in with the way the laws work in the US?