Flemeth (spoilers)

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MatParker116

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Did we meet her on an off day in Dragon age 1 or something? I mean she can turn into a dragon that would of been useful fighting the blight.
 

Zaik

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I don't get it?

She's not anywhere near hostile to you unless you actively choose to attack her after Morrigan finds out how she's still alive. Why would it even matter?
 
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Hawke's past is being told by a Dwarf who heard it from someone else. Of course some details are going to get stretched and things will look more interesting then they actually are. Especially when the dwarf seems like the sarcastic sort who would embellish the truth a bit.

And for those who are wondering, he's talking about the Dragon Age 2 demo.
 

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She can change her appearance at will. I imagine she appeared as a frumpy old lady to the warden to lower his/her guard.
Or at least that is a potential explaination. I don't know.
 

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Irridium said:
Hawke's past is being told by a Dwarf who heard it from someone else. Of course some details are going to get stretched and things will look more interesting then they actually are. Especially when the dwarf seems like the sarcastic sort who would embellish the truth a bit.

And for those who are wondering, he's talking about the Dragon Age 2 demo.
Agreed. His bio-page, and Mike Laidlaw, say he loves nothing more than exaggerating and bypassing little quibbles like "Reality". That is why Characters take flying balletic leaps and Hawke kills dozens of Darkspawn without trouble while the Grey Warden had to take a serious run up to manage that. It's just his artistic licence.
 

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When I saw the dragon, my first thought: "No, not the Arch Demon! ARGH!"

Then came: "Ah, it's not hostile to me! It couldn't be Flemeth by any chance right?"

And finally: "It's turning into a person, it ís Fleme-... What have you done to your hair? Your face and clothing remind me of an older, overdesigned version of Morri-...oh crap."

But, yeah, she does turn into a dragon in Dragon Age 1, if you fight her on Morrigan's behalf.
 

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MatParker116 said:
Did we meet her on an off day in Dragon age 1 or something? I mean she can turn into a dragon that would of been useful fighting the blight.
When I first saw this thread I thought it would be all about how Flemeth looks so different in the demo compared to Origins. I'm actually a little confused now as to what it's actually about; Flemeth could and did turn into a High Dragon in Origins (if the player sided with Morrigan).

Am I the only one who was majorly disappointed by Flemeths new look. I mean, one of the most compelling things about the character was the juxtaposition between her reputation as a powerful abomination; and her outward appearance as merely an excentric old woman.
She looks seriously bad ass in the demo, there was no trace of the crazy old bat we met in Origins.
I'm going to reserve my final judgement until after I've played the full game, but from what I've seen it doesn't look good for poor old Flemeth.
 

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She just don't give a fuck so to speak xD. She actually will turn into a dragon if you choose to kill her for morrigans loyalty quest, but other than that she doesn't really play a very important role, one would assume her new revamp means that all the nothing she did in dragon age one was because she was too busy doin stuff for hawke.
 

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Flemeth's a shape shifter. In DA:O you saw her as she appeared to most people and, assumable, Morrigan most of the time. In the demo, she just transformed back from her dragonic form to investigate how a bunch of ragamuffins could take down an Ogre. She changed her shape to fit the occasion. Either that, or someone told the character designers/modelers to have a bit more fun with the way people look in this game (Isabelle and the dwarf support this idea, as does the horned guy from the cinematic trailer).

EDIT: Remember guys, Isa was in DA:O she was the lady in the Pearl who taught you to be a Duelist.
 

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MatParker116 said:
Did we meet her on an off day in Dragon age 1 or something? I mean she can turn into a dragon that would of been useful fighting the blight.
she does tun into a dragon if you fight her during morrigans loyalty quest
 

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It's weird because before the original post got edited it was like he was asking how they killed her when she was a huge dragon in the DA2 demo, when you couldn't kill her unless she'd turned into the huge dragon to begin with in DA:O. It might have made sense if there was some sort of "renegade trigger" type move(like from ME2) that had your main character whack her over the head while she had her back turned or something, but that never happened.
 

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Talson said:
Flemeth's a shape shifter. In DA:O you saw her as she appeared to most people and, assumable, Morrigan most of the time. In the demo, she just transformed back from her dragonic form to investigate how a bunch of ragamuffins could take down an Ogre. She changed her shape to fit the occasion. Either that, or someone told the character designers/modelers to have a bit more fun with the way people look in this game (Isabelle and the dwarf support this idea, as does the horned guy from the cinematic trailer).

EDIT: Remember guys, Isa was in DA:O she was the lady in the Pearl who taught you to be a Duelist.
I understand that is a viable explanation for the change; the true extent of Flemeths power was left ambiguous so she could conceivably be able to alter her human form (Even though Morrigan specifically tells you it is not possible to shapeshift into different human forms).

I just think it's a bit weak. I mean it's different with Isabella in that while her general appearance and voice has changed the core character is essentially the same. But with Flemeth, she was always portrayed in the first game as someone who hid her true power and motives behind a veneer of senility; this new interpretation of Flemeth seems less subtle.

I'm just hoping the writers were able to explain changes between the games in a way that is believable for the character. If they can do that I'll be one happy camper.
 

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HonestJoe1574 said:
Talson said:
Flemeth's a shape shifter. In DA:O you saw her as she appeared to most people and, assumable, Morrigan most of the time. In the demo, she just transformed back from her dragonic form to investigate how a bunch of ragamuffins could take down an Ogre. She changed her shape to fit the occasion. Either that, or someone told the character designers/modelers to have a bit more fun with the way people look in this game (Isabelle and the dwarf support this idea, as does the horned guy from the cinematic trailer).

EDIT: Remember guys, Isa was in DA:O she was the lady in the Pearl who taught you to be a Duelist.
I understand that is a viable explanation for the change; the true extent of Flemeths power was left ambiguous so she could conceivably be able to alter her human form (Even though Morrigan specifically tells you it is not possible to shapeshift into different human forms).

I just think it's a bit weak. I mean it's different with Isabella in that while her general appearance and voice has changed the core character is essentially the same. But with Flemeth, she was always portrayed in the first game as someone who hid her true power and motives behind a veneer of senility; this new interpretation of Flemeth seems less subtle.

I'm just hoping the writers were able to explain changes between the games in a way that is believable for the character. If they can do that I'll be one happy camper.

The reason for all that is actually just up the threat a little bit. What you're seeing isn't what happened, it's what the dwarf is telling her. Just like how you play through the "legend" where Hawke minces darkspawn into chunks by looking at them funny, some of the things the dwarf tells that seeker person are not going to be the reality of it. He wasn't there when Flemeth saved Hawke, and Hawke probably didn't provide a really detailed description of her either.
 

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It's part of every pseudo villains Maleficent stage. Don't worry, it'll pass with time! There's a cream for that!
 

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HonestJoe1574 said:
I understand that is a viable explanation for the change; the true extent of Flemeths power was left ambiguous so she could conceivably be able to alter her human form (Even though Morrigan specifically tells you it is not possible to shapeshift into different human forms).
Flemeth isn't Human so you can't apply the same rules to her that you would to Morrigan. At the end of Witch Hunt Morrigan says that Everything Flemeth is meant to be, a bizarre and rare abomination/posessed mage, is just another lie Flemeth let spread. Also Varric's bio says he is economical with truth at the best of times and nothing ruins a good story like the truth. http://dragonage.bioware.com/da2/world/characters/varric/
 

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MatParker116 said:
Did we meet her on an off day in Dragon age 1 or something? I mean she can turn into a dragon that would of been useful fighting the blight.
Yes, you did. She saved you from Ostagar, and healed you and Alistair, and gave her daughter (Morrigan) to you to... tag along, I guess.