Forbes thinks Retaking Mass Effect 3 is a good thing.

[Lovely Mixture]

The point I was trying to make is that bending to the fans every whim, like Forbes says developer should, is a very bad idea. Before Fallout 3 came out, only fans of the original Fallout games were Fallout fans. Most hated the idea of the new game and did not want it to be made. They hated it when it came out, despite the fact that it was one of the best games of 2008. If Bethesda had listened to Forbes, we would not have gotten that game. So I am very wary of making something to "appease the fans". Make a good game, and the fans will come. But, they should not feel beholden to the fans every whim, like Forbes suggest here. We would not get innovation, or even any new games then.

But there's the second part to the twofold message.

The second is much more hopeful - the idea that in an age of social media, it might just have a chance to repair the damage."

The vibe I'm getting from it is that they should be "responsive" to fans, not bend to their every will. And it would be erroneous to say innovation would be lost if the fans had control.

its still just a game and certainly does not justifying anyone getting this worked up about it.

To you it might be "just a game" to others it might not be. It's not hard to understand being passionate about something.

 

[Savagezion]

Gamefront has been doing a pretty good job of covering things from our side as well. They just don't release as many articles about it as forbes it seems.

EDIT: http://www.gamefront.com/did-mass-effect-3-really-deserve-all-those-1010-review-scores/2/ This came a week after release.

I haven't played a game yet that deserves a 10/10

I have. 10/10 doesn't have to mean perfect for everyone. It is impossible to make a basketball game that is 10/10 to me because I don't give a crap about basketball, no matter how 'cool' the game is.

I consider Uncharted 2 a 10/10 for a tongue-in-cheek adventure 3PS. I consider Zelda LttP & OoT both 10/10 light-hearted action adventures. Halo:CE a 10/10 for a fast-paced action FPS. Midnight Club 3 a 10/10 for street racing via Fast & Furious. Chrono Trigger 10/10 classic JRPG. Baldur's Gate 2 a 10/10 for isometric classic WRPG. Etc.

I don't believe in the "perfect 10 is unobtainable" stuff as it defeats the purpose of having a "10" on the scoring ballet. Why not just grade them 1-9 by that logic, would a 9 become 'unobtainable'? That's my methodology though, I am not going to hold voice acting against a racing game that rarely involves dialogue and makes it skippable when it does.

 

[Unsilenced]

Gamefront has been doing a pretty good job of covering things from our side as well. They just don't release as many articles about it as forbes it seems.

EDIT: http://www.gamefront.com/did-mass-effect-3-really-deserve-all-those-1010-review-scores/2/ This came a week after release.

I haven't played a game yet that deserves a 10/10

I have. 10/10 doesn't have to mean perfect for everyone. It is impossible to make a basketball game that is 10/10 to me because I don't give a crap about basketball, no matter how 'cool' the game is.

I consider Uncharted 2 a 10/10 for a tongue-in-cheek adventure 3PS. I consider Zelda LttP & OoT both 10/10 light-hearted action adventures. Halo:CE a 10/10 for a fast-paced action FPS. Midnight Club 3 a 10/10 for street racing via Fast & Furious. Chrono Trigger 10/10 classic JRPG. Baldur's Gate 2 a 10/10 for isometric classic WRPG. Etc.

I don't believe in the "perfect 10 is unobtainable" stuff as it defeats the purpose of having a "10" on the scoring ballet. Why not just grade them 1-9 by that logic, would a 9 become 'unobtainable'? That's my methodology though, I am not going to hold voice acting against a racing game that rarely involves dialogue and makes it skippable when it does.

10/10 is a theoretical limit, like 0 Kelvin or the speed of light. It's an important part of the metric because it signifies the end, but by definition it cannot be achieved.

Think of one bug or defect in Chrono Trigger. I'm sure you can. Now what if they fixed it?

What would you do then? [http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=EbVKWCpNFhY#t=37s] =p

 

[Savagezion]

Gamefront has been doing a pretty good job of covering things from our side as well. They just don't release as many articles about it as forbes it seems.

EDIT: http://www.gamefront.com/did-mass-effect-3-really-deserve-all-those-1010-review-scores/2/ This came a week after release.

I haven't played a game yet that deserves a 10/10

I have. 10/10 doesn't have to mean perfect for everyone. It is impossible to make a basketball game that is 10/10 to me because I don't give a crap about basketball, no matter how 'cool' the game is.

I consider Uncharted 2 a 10/10 for a tongue-in-cheek adventure 3PS. I consider Zelda LttP & OoT both 10/10 light-hearted action adventures. Halo:CE a 10/10 for a fast-paced action FPS. Midnight Club 3 a 10/10 for street racing via Fast & Furious. Chrono Trigger 10/10 classic JRPG. Baldur's Gate 2 a 10/10 for isometric classic WRPG. Etc.

I don't believe in the "perfect 10 is unobtainable" stuff as it defeats the purpose of having a "10" on the scoring ballet. Why not just grade them 1-9 by that logic, would a 9 become 'unobtainable'? That's my methodology though, I am not going to hold voice acting against a racing game that rarely involves dialogue and makes it skippable when it does.

10/10 is a theoretical limit, like 0 Kelvin or the speed of light. It's an important part of the metric because it signifies the end, but by definition it cannot be achieved.

Think of one bug or defect in Chrono Trigger. I'm sure you can. Now what if they fixed it?

What would you do then? [http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=EbVKWCpNFhY#t=37s] =p

Still call it a 10/10. I don't see review scores as a quantitative measuring system. I see it as more of a grading scale. For instance, solving the math problem of 10/3 on a test, 3.3 will suffice. You aren't any more correct if you put 3.33 or 3.333 it just depends on where you rounded down. All of the games above I see no real problems with. I honestly can't think of a bug in Chrono Trigger or any of the games I listed. I also can't think of any real design flaws. (That is not to say it has none.)

 

[Something Amyss]

Its the only actual argument I've read on here or anywhere else dismissing the Mass Effect 3 ending.

Or variations on the same, yes.

Weird enough, the word "Entitled" or "Entitlement" is not a insult, and can not be used for that purpose, or else it becomes lying.

Well, it's not inherrently a bad thing. Believing one is entitled can have negative meaning. However, it's become a negative only term. We as gamers are, for example, entitled to a game that lives up to specific promises made. But then, many of the arguments devolve into lies anyway. Or at least dishonesty. I can't talk about Bob's motivations, but he certainly did rail against Retake on the false premise that the fans want a game to their exact specifications.

No, we want it to the specifications we were given. There's a difference. We're not entitled to an ending based on our exact specifications, but that's not what Retake is.

And I support them.

Similarly, filing an FTC complaint was not about things not going their way. It was about being lied to.

Those saying that a 'interview' is not meant to inform the public of what a certain person can answer then your lying.

You know, they're not necessarily lying.

This site, as well as the community at large have demonstrated that they don't understand laws, Intellectual properties, consumer rights and any number of other issues. In short, I'm not surprised that they think that this is legit.

They're wrong, but I don't think they're necessarily lying. They either do not understand the issue or have made no attempt to understand the issue.

A interview is as valid as any other peace of info, regardless of the topic.

This I agree with. It's promotional material meant to inform the consumer about your title.

What's worse is there's a lot of wiggle room. People mislead all the time. This goes beyond misleading, though. This is a pretty clear-cut case in a world where there aren't many clear cut cases.

..... Did you read the actual link? No one else here has posted this link

This Forbes link has been posted before, actually.

I'm sick and tired of people defending every single action made by a publisher or developer, and wether people like it or not, people will do anything for money now in days. They will push the border until your literally forced to pay 300$ on top of the 60$ purchase, and will not stop until they meet resistance, and dammit, resistance is good.

YES. We really need resistance. We can't have people just dismiss legitimate qualms.