Forget the zombie apocalypse

[Ryuzaki]

AND 80 MILLION citizens legally own firearms here in the U.S., out of which less than 1% use those guns in a crime. It's the criminals, with thier illegally obtained handguns that are causing the problems here.

Thats 800,000 citizens using guns in a crime. That is a huge number.

Where there are tight controls for gun use there are fewer gun crimes. If you banned guns in the USA tommorrow it would not do to much at first as people who would use guns for illegal purposes would still have them at first, but after a while the number of guns would go down and so gun crime would decrease. Also letting normal people carry guns means that when they try to defend themselves they will get into a gunfight in which they would not likely be trained and the chances that someone would be killed in such a guncrime would dramatically increase.

I'm just glad that I live in the UK.

I'm not saying they should ban guns altogether, I have nothing against use for hunting or even just collecting, but it should be made harder with more safty controls.

 

[rossatdi]

Wow it must suck to have your balls cut off by your own government, you gotta tell me how that feels sometime.

It's official. You apparently need a firearm to feel like a man. You know a tool that any idiot can use to kill someone. Oh wait, we can do that with knives!

Man Law #1237 = Manliness does not scale with your ability to kill.

Well you said it. All I said was that the government in his country has all the power, and it's "people" lack the power to impose any sort of limitations on it. Of course I guess none of you Brits can relate to the American quality of the power vested to the people.

Someone not go to their civics lessons? The phrase "power extends from the barrel of a gun" was Chairman Mao, you're expressing his views. As for Americans' quality of power vested to the people, don't make me laugh. Wasn't it last week one of your governor's tried to auction a state senate seat on ebay?

In a democracy, and in most advanced countries, power lies with the people, by definition. Sometimes they may not be driven to action but the ability is there. Just see the Orange Revolution in Ukraine for people power. Fortunately in Britain they trust us to cross the street without specially delegated rules.

 

[AntiThom]

I truely fear for my country if this is the face of a new generation. Do you all seriously have complete trust in those you elect? Every politician has a hidden agenda, like it or not.

If I am to be stigmatized for owning semi-automatic rifles and hang guns, then so be it. I can handle any amount of BS because I know that I will be a free man until the day I die.

Being able to vote doesn't make us free, or great, or anything other than a very poorly informed mob rule.

And I didn't know that worrying about my gun rights when two men who voted to criminalize self defense, tax ammunition and firearms 500%, and ban semi automatics is going to take the highest office. I just guess was being sensational and a fear mongerer.

My sincere apoogies for upsetting the duped masses.

 

[FightThePower]

Hunde, No one would really want to take guns away completly but im sure you understand that there should be some serious vetting in place to stop the wrong people getting guns, and also stopping the wrong guns going for sale.

Despite what people might think, this is exactly the stance I have.

Some people have reasons for firearms - hence why in the UK our farmers are allowed shotguns (stopping threats to valuble livestock, obviously) and if you obtain a hunting license you can get firearms. It just keeps guns out of the wrong hands. We have an air rifle in our house, all we ever needed.

 

[darkless]

Well if we take away your guns at least your kids wont be shooting there parents over video games or each other simply because they got bullied in school

 

[Himo]

Wow it must suck to have your balls cut off by your own government, you gotta tell me how that feels sometime.

It's official. You apparently need a firearm to feel like a man. You know a tool that any idiot can use to kill someone. Oh wait, we can do that with knives!

Man Law #1237 = Manliness does not scale with your ability to kill.

Well you said it. All I said was that the government in his country has all the power, and it's "people" lack the power to impose any sort of limitations on it. Of course I guess none of you Brits can relate to the American quality of the power vested to the people.

My god, this is what makes me really want to just stand there and smash my head against a wall..

In the UK one has the right to leave the schooling system at the age of 16 with a decent set of qualifications. He can then legally leave home without bieng supervised by a parent or carer and can claim state benefit and start full-time work.

By the age of 17 he can drive and can legally drink, smoke and vote at 18. He will never have his life taken from him for any crime he commits. That's the same, if not more lenient than your systems.

In fact, the only thing that immediately comes to mind that still has a minimum age boundry of 21 is "driving a train on a national railway".

The few Americans that still haven't realised that they live in an indoctrinates, opressed society and still insist that they are the most liberated people in the world need t wake up and smell the coffee.

Come visit the free world sometime, you might like it over here. It's superior to your country in every way, exept perhaps the weather.

 

[AntiThom]

Would you all like to know what a gun-owner thinks on the subject, one who isn't a raving lunatic?

Too bad you get it anyway.

I own a 12-gauge shot gun and a 22 caliber rifle. These are not because I have fallen into scare tactics of the media who tell you to sleep with a gun under your pillow(although they will just villainize you for believing them anyways). I simply have these for turkey and pheasant hunting, and it is a family tradition and teaching that you only kill what you plan upon eating, and you respect the firearm along with other responsible ideals.

My family has always had a strong belief in gun safety, and it truly shows in my useage of a firearm. Hunting is fine, selfdefense is why there are shovels and other long blunt objects.

I believe mine and only a few other escapists opinions would matter on the subject, due to the fact we are the ones who it affects, and we are the ones who who the legal, responsible, and safe ways to use and maintain a firearm.

AntiThom, all this being said: I sir, despise you.

I'm all for gun safety, I practice and preach it everyday. I have 3 12 gauges and 4 .22lr.
I have never used a firearm irrationaly or incorrectly.
I also have a mini-14, AR15, 2 Springfield XD 45's and a few scoped deer rifles. I've givin up hunting and I now shoot a little for sport, but mainly for sheer enjoyment.

And when I see something that can affect every gun owner in america, who legally and responsibly owns a gun, it scares me, and makes me ask "why?". Maybe you should ask that yourself, because if you have semi-auto 22 Obama voted to ban it.

 

[AntiThom]

Well if we take away your guns at least your kids wont be shooting there parents over video games or each other simply because they got bullied in school

It's called a gun lock/safe. If you have kids and guns you have to educte them and protect them from themselves. Don't make bad parenting an argument for gun control.

 

[DeusFps]

Well clearly if more people didn't want them banned then Obama wouldn't of won.

 

[Naterstein]

Too many arguments to quote and debate against really.

I will say in Switzerland every citizen owns an Assault Rifle and their crime rate is extremely low while in African countries where the poor wont buy guns off the black market, genocide (which is mass homicide, btw) ensues. So an argument for more gun control kinda has no where to go. I am not really going to argue it further, by quoting some lame statistics showing violent crime rates diminishing inline with the rise of conceal carry permits. I am not going to argue about how when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns, etc. It really comes down to how much you care about your life.

I live in the US, my IQ was 140 (some time ago), I own some handguns, and I have the legal right to carry those handguns in like 20 something states (due to reciprocity) with my Concealed Carry Permit. I chose to accept this responsibility to protect myself and my loved ones by obtaining said handguns and permit. It really comes down to this: You can live amongst the sheep or rise up to be a shepherd ( I really hate that analogy).

I am not sure how it works in other countries, but here in the US, pardon the cliches: "When seconds count, the police are just minutes away."
"Better to have a gun and never need it than to not have one and do."

 

[Fanboy]

Why are you afraid of your own government?

In short: yes.

All governments are basically tyranny waiting to happen. The smaller the governments reach the better.

That wasn't a yes or no question.

Why do you think that your own government will become tyrannical?

Oh my apologies.

Simply because that is the nature of government. To control and constrain.

Our Constitution and Bill of Rights ensure us freedoms, and outline a very small federal government, complete with check and ballances. The whole purpose of America is to be a country where man lives free with his garaunteed rights. giving a little in return for a society free from external predators. And we were givin the 2nd amendment to ensure our freedom from internal predators.

It is the nature of a government to govern it's people; The control and constrain you speak of is what stops your nation from degrading to anarchy. This doesn't mean they are on the path to tyranny.

You're still avoiding answering my question. The generalization "Because it's their nature" isn't enough. Why should you be afraid that your own government will become a tyranny?

I'm just curious.

 

[CIA]

I saw a comic today that says we should teach kids how to knife so drive-by shootings are eliminated. Sounds zany and fun!

 

[darkless]

Well if we take away your guns at least your kids wont be shooting there parents over video games or each other simply because they got bullied in school

It's called a gun lock/safe. If you have kids and guns you have to educte them and protect them from themselves. Don't make bad parenting an argument for gun control.

That kid that shot his parents over halo 3 broke open his parents safety deposit box to get that gun. just locking it away doesnt help

 

[ace_of_something]

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That kid that shot his parents over halo 3 broke open his parents safety deposit box to get that gun. just locking it away doesnt help

Really? their Safety Deposit box? My bank won't let anyone but me open my Safety Deposit Box.

 

[FightThePower]

Well clearly if more people didn't want them banned then Obama wouldn't of won.

I sincerely doubt every voter read all of Obama's policies. Same with every politican, there are people who just vote with next to no reason, they're just sheep.

Not to mention, hidden agendas.

 

[notyouraveragejoe]

I truely fear for my country if this is the face of a new generation. Do you all seriously have complete trust in those you elect? Every politician has a hidden agenda, like it or not.

If I am to be stigmatized for owning semi-automatic rifles and hang guns, then so be it. I can handle any amount of BS because I know that I will be a free man until the day I die.

Being able to vote doesn't make us free, or great, or anything other than a very poorly informed mob rule.

And I didn't know that worrying about my gun rights when two men who voted to criminalize self defense, tax ammunition and firearms 500%, and ban semi automatics is going to take the highest office. I just guess was being sensational and a fear mongerer.

My sincere apoogies for upsetting the duped masses.

Dear lord someone get this man a soap box. RE-READ THE FUCKING FACTS (to use your ultracaps argument). Having a weapon that will kill easily does not make us free. Having a weapon that facilitates murder, depersonalizing it so to speak, is not freedom...it's disgusting. Are people more likely to kill if it needs looking into the eyes of the victim and feeling the dying heart beat of another person. Or are people more likely to kill if it's only a pull of a trigger. Do you seriously have complete fear of those you elect? Do you honestly believe everyone is a tyrant? Are you seriously so fucking nationalistic that you believe guns protect America?

"In countries like the United States it's perfectly legal for members of the public to own certain types of firearms. If you live in such a country obtain an assault rifle legally, preferably an AK-47 or variations."

-- AL QAEDA TRAINING MANUAL

I'd like to remind you that things like this ^ are why gun control is important.

 

[sequio]

Government takes away civilian armaments, zombie outbreak begins...I like how that plot goes.

Banning guns won't reduce death. That's like banning cars because there are so many vehicular homicides.

 

[Naterstein]

Well clearly if more people didn't want them banned then Obama wouldn't of won.

I sincerely doubt every voter read all of Obama's policies. Same with every politican, there are people who just vote with next to no reason, they're just sheep.

Not to mention, hidden agendas.

Still bad parenting. Obviously the kids was a bit mentally ill, to kill his parents over playing a game. Gimme a break.

 

[darkless]

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That kid that shot his parents over halo 3 broke open his parents safety deposit box to get that gun. just locking it away doesnt help

Really? their Safety Deposit box? My bank won't let anyone but me open my Safety Deposit Box.

They had a home one just like i do yo can buy them anywhere you want yo get only two keys for it and thats it you cant get more cut now stop being a smart ass because you knew that already

 

[Ryuzaki]

I truely fear for my country if this is the face of a new generation. Do you all seriously have complete trust in those you elect? Every politician has a hidden agenda, like it or not.

I doubt every politician has a hidden agenda, but I don't trust the current UK government. I didn't elect them however, actually no one has yet. Now thats a thing to rant about.

I don't agree with your views on gun use. Simple as that. Nothing I can will change your mind, that much is obvious. Having these views however does not make me part of any duped mass, it just means we have different opinions.