I LOVE the Zelda franchise, LOVE it. But I honestly think that it should be seriously deconstructed (I don't think it should actually die because they managed to do something great with Majora's Mask). I mean I absolutely think that Nintendo has the talent and the $ to really turn the franchise around as there are so many possibilities. Personally I think they should add guns... wait, first of all I think Link needs to get abducted by the aliens that abduct cows in Majora's Mask (revenge I guess), and then we can add the guns (along with exploration on another planet, robots, aliens, oh the possibilities...).
Franchises that NEED to DIE, and those that will last forever
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Personally I think certain games are only terminal because the people in charge of the franchise are doing a poor job managing them.
THINGS THAT SHOULD LIVE
Tomb Raider has been rejuvinated... sort of. Although Anniversary is a weak way to go about it. It was dying from parts 2 - 4 and Angel of Darkness since they took away the key element of tomb raiding from the games and made it secondary to the character. I really liked Legend and has the focus still on tomb raiding while incorporating great controls.
THINGS THAT SHOULD DIE
Anything by Squaresoft. I love Squaresoft... err, Square Enix but if the game is not a direct sequel/prequel etc. then don't call the game by the same name. This goes for the Final Fantasy, Mana, Dragon Warrior/Quest, SaGa games. If the game has an original story then why not give it the original name it deserves.
Zelda games. Refer to Squaresoft naming issue.
Final Fantasy VII. Stop beating the dead horse already. The game ended 11 years ago. Leave it alone... really. As an analogy. It would be like Danielle Steel writing a sequel to Great Expectations. It just sullies the franchise.
Mario games. For the love of gaming, stop rescuing that stupid wench. If Bowser takes her, let him keep her. You can keep the kingdom instead. Hell, invite Link over and have a couple of beers.
MegaMan. The first few games were fun but you have clearly run out of things to do with enemy powers. What will be your next opponent? SnoreMan? Recycled Paper Man?
Madden. I hate you. You stole the NFL license from the game that made you try hard each year and then you slack off releasing the same game over and over again. You stole the ESPN license and then bury it. You did a good job of ruining a company that was better than you because they were smaller than you and you could do it.
Street Fighter II... no more reincarnations. We know it is the best 2D fighter of all time. We all own 1 or more versions. We don't need any more, thank you.
Sonic. I loved him way more than Mario since I was young but there hasn't been a good one since the Dreamcast. And Shadow, while a cool character, does not make a game.
Okay... I have wasted enough time. Back to studying.
PS.
People should stop expecting revolutionary game leaps such as the ones from Final Fantasy VII, Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time. That was the leap from 2D to 3D. There is no 4D... live with it.
THINGS THAT SHOULD LIVE
Tomb Raider has been rejuvinated... sort of. Although Anniversary is a weak way to go about it. It was dying from parts 2 - 4 and Angel of Darkness since they took away the key element of tomb raiding from the games and made it secondary to the character. I really liked Legend and has the focus still on tomb raiding while incorporating great controls.
THINGS THAT SHOULD DIE
Anything by Squaresoft. I love Squaresoft... err, Square Enix but if the game is not a direct sequel/prequel etc. then don't call the game by the same name. This goes for the Final Fantasy, Mana, Dragon Warrior/Quest, SaGa games. If the game has an original story then why not give it the original name it deserves.
Zelda games. Refer to Squaresoft naming issue.
Final Fantasy VII. Stop beating the dead horse already. The game ended 11 years ago. Leave it alone... really. As an analogy. It would be like Danielle Steel writing a sequel to Great Expectations. It just sullies the franchise.
Mario games. For the love of gaming, stop rescuing that stupid wench. If Bowser takes her, let him keep her. You can keep the kingdom instead. Hell, invite Link over and have a couple of beers.
MegaMan. The first few games were fun but you have clearly run out of things to do with enemy powers. What will be your next opponent? SnoreMan? Recycled Paper Man?
Madden. I hate you. You stole the NFL license from the game that made you try hard each year and then you slack off releasing the same game over and over again. You stole the ESPN license and then bury it. You did a good job of ruining a company that was better than you because they were smaller than you and you could do it.
Street Fighter II... no more reincarnations. We know it is the best 2D fighter of all time. We all own 1 or more versions. We don't need any more, thank you.
Sonic. I loved him way more than Mario since I was young but there hasn't been a good one since the Dreamcast. And Shadow, while a cool character, does not make a game.
Okay... I have wasted enough time. Back to studying.
PS.
People should stop expecting revolutionary game leaps such as the ones from Final Fantasy VII, Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time. That was the leap from 2D to 3D. There is no 4D... live with it.
Pokemon
Sure, the original Blue and Red were alright, but by the time they're mining precious metals and minerals, one begins to wonder if the franchise is still worth continuing.
Just so long as I don't see Pokemon: Beryllium edtion (once they hit inert gases, they're done for sure.
Sure, the original Blue and Red were alright, but by the time they're mining precious metals and minerals, one begins to wonder if the franchise is still worth continuing.
Just so long as I don't see Pokemon: Beryllium edtion (once they hit inert gases, they're done for sure.
I gravely disagree. FF VII was not mediocre at the time of its release, and it rekindled peoples (in the US at least) interest in RPGs. Many of the RPGs since can attribute a small portion of their success to VII. This is not even mentioning that VII helped to bring the PSX over the N64.Jagdedge said:
There is always going to be a small set of people who buy RPGs, however, VII attracted a pretty large and diverse crowd due to its interesting characters, easy battle system, decent storyline, etc... And while I do not condone the raping of FFVII that is occuring these days, I still would not even think of calling it mediocre. When you consider the date at which it released, sometime in 1996 I believe, and you remember the game is 12 years old...
It still manages to be engaging and fun. And it was one of the few games that caused Sony to finally come out on top of the console race back then.
As for FF VIII and IX, I have found that those who liked VIII tended to be relatively new to the series (VII jump ons), and they tended to hate IX. Those who liked IX tended to be old carry overs who played the very first games, and they hated VIII.
If you liked both VIII and IX, then you are indeed a minority. I have found very few people who liked both. I started with VII and I like VIII better. I have played IV,V, and VI though since. I could not stand IX at the time of playing it. I have not played it since.
As for the name, I think its good for identification purposes. But maybe they could break up the monotony with a line denoting the actual adventure or something.
Like
Final Fantasy VII: A Strife in Midgar
Or something...
Final Fantasy XII: A game with no Romance story ^_^
I will withhold judgment on Call of Duty for now, but six months ago I would have told you that it needs to die. Apparently CoD4 is new and innovative and really great and all that shit. 2 and 3 were just hollow re-treads of an amazing original that they just couldn't ever live up to.
Battlefield is done for me. 1942 was groundbreaking, original, and great fun; Vietnam just couldn't make up for the glaring weaknesses of the engine (When I click an icon on my desktop, it is because I want to play the game, not because I want to wait for a bunch of vanity developer/publisher logos, a bloated menu, and a horrific load time on what was a pretty decent computer at the time). Battlefield 2 improved on this, although it didn't fix the load times, but it didn't add a lot of new things, and despite the promise of 2142's premise, it didn't deliver on innovation. The developments in this series are becoming minor alterations to a gameplay format that's getting old, and which have always been unable to hide the glaring programming issues. If you have paid somebody to program in a feature that pops up a box on the screen that says "loading menu" after they hit esc, your development priorities are in the wrong place.
I am not done with Half-Life; every one has been well worth playing, and I always look forward to the next iteration. Valve is very concerned with the quality of their IP; when Half-Life jumps the shark, they'll know, and they'll end it.
No One Lives Forever has been ended, and though the older games are a little bit dated and have a bunch of irritating quirks, I think one last well-done game to cap off the series is overdue.
Battlefield is done for me. 1942 was groundbreaking, original, and great fun; Vietnam just couldn't make up for the glaring weaknesses of the engine (When I click an icon on my desktop, it is because I want to play the game, not because I want to wait for a bunch of vanity developer/publisher logos, a bloated menu, and a horrific load time on what was a pretty decent computer at the time). Battlefield 2 improved on this, although it didn't fix the load times, but it didn't add a lot of new things, and despite the promise of 2142's premise, it didn't deliver on innovation. The developments in this series are becoming minor alterations to a gameplay format that's getting old, and which have always been unable to hide the glaring programming issues. If you have paid somebody to program in a feature that pops up a box on the screen that says "loading menu" after they hit esc, your development priorities are in the wrong place.
I am not done with Half-Life; every one has been well worth playing, and I always look forward to the next iteration. Valve is very concerned with the quality of their IP; when Half-Life jumps the shark, they'll know, and they'll end it.
No One Lives Forever has been ended, and though the older games are a little bit dated and have a bunch of irritating quirks, I think one last well-done game to cap off the series is overdue.
It really seems based on whether people have an emotional affinity to a series. I mean, up through about Sonic Heroes, if a new Sonic game came out, I played it, beat it, and complained about it. If you open up with a good game, people will generally accept a few mediocre games, and even a pretty crappy one, before they say "bugger this".
Surprised noone mentioned the Age series, age of empires 1,2 and age of mythology were great, but all the following ones were just lame repetition (AOE 3, empire earth, rise of nations 1,2)
Obviously, this is just opinion, but I truly dislike the Half-Life series, specifically the games Half-Life 2 and beyond.
My dislike of Half-Life 2 is an odd thing. Valve made a great engine, made believable and mostly likeable characters, a rich and beautiful world and set up an exciting back story. But I found HL2 to be one of the most sterile and least engaging games I have ever played. I wanted to like it, but I just didn't. Obviously this is just my opinion, and the franchise has enough fans to ensure it's survival well into the future.
I'd love to see KotOR and Neverwinter Nights sequels, but I want them done properly, which is a nice way of saying I don't want Obsidian anywhere near them. Similarly, I want Fallout 3 to be good. I am a keenly aware if the issues that Oblivion had, and I hope that Bethesda are too.
With the Nintendo franchises, while I enjoy the games, it wouldn't hurt to try some new ideas.
My dislike of Half-Life 2 is an odd thing. Valve made a great engine, made believable and mostly likeable characters, a rich and beautiful world and set up an exciting back story. But I found HL2 to be one of the most sterile and least engaging games I have ever played. I wanted to like it, but I just didn't. Obviously this is just my opinion, and the franchise has enough fans to ensure it's survival well into the future.
I'd love to see KotOR and Neverwinter Nights sequels, but I want them done properly, which is a nice way of saying I don't want Obsidian anywhere near them. Similarly, I want Fallout 3 to be good. I am a keenly aware if the issues that Oblivion had, and I hope that Bethesda are too.
With the Nintendo franchises, while I enjoy the games, it wouldn't hurt to try some new ideas.
"b/c halo is already over (as long as you don't include halo wars, but that's different)."
lol, no it isn't. There will be a Halo 4, and I can just about promise you there will be a Halo 5
lol, no it isn't. There will be a Halo 4, and I can just about promise you there will be a Halo 5
"But my main reason for citing Half-Life is it's "episodic content". Valve has figured out you can release "episodes" or as they were called in my day "expansion packs"
Reworking the entire engine is not called an expansion pack. But just to make you happy, they included a very well made multiplayer game, and another innovative single player game.
Reworking the entire engine is not called an expansion pack. But just to make you happy, they included a very well made multiplayer game, and another innovative single player game.
There is no way to kill WoW, ulness you cut off all of its heads and then send it to the depths of the ocean and chain it to a rock.Battlecruiser said:
OR. We destroy all the servers. Some people can piss on it, some can defecate on it. WHATEVER. Then we take it and nuke them. Then we kill the Blizzard CEOs and destroy the Gold Disc copy of it. IF anyone mentions it afgain, we kill them.Lord_Ascendant said:
Sonic the Hedgehog. You have no idea how hard it is for me to admit that since he's the reason why I fell in love with video games in the first place, but enough is enough. After his next-gen debut and all the sh*tty spin-offs they keep shoehorning him into for no good reason, I'm all out of patience. He's like the sick old dog you just can't bear to part with, even though you know it's in everyone's best interests to put the poor animal out of his misery; it's time to take Sonic back behind the video game tool shed and put an end to his suffering.
Sonic the Hedgehog games went downhill when he went 3D, if they kept the series to Rush-style 2D versions on DS and PSP (maybe even XBLA), then i'm sure most people would be happy.
I like the James Bond Series and the Star Wars games and movies are cool. I like the Indiana Jones series.
Mario has to die: the new game is like being on acid. I couldn't even watch someone else play it. I still like the old games though.
Mario has to die: the new game is like being on acid. I couldn't even watch someone else play it. I still like the old games though.
