Fred Phelps is near death

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http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/20/us/westboro-church-founder-dead/index.html

CNN is saying that he is dead.

Yay? Do we celebrate now?

The man was never the problem, it was the idea he represented.
 

Strain42

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I would never wish death upon another human being, nor will I celebrate the fact that he is now gone from this earth.

But I will say that on a completely unrelated note, earth just got a little bit better...maybe it was from Fred Phelps dying, maybe it was the nickel I found in the Target parking lot today. Who can say?

Now that he is dead though, I will continue to discuss him as much as I did when he was alive.

-walks away-
 

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I just really wish they turned up to protest Sandy Brook when the Hells Angels turned up to deal with them. When you have both the Hells Angels and KKK against you, then you know you are hated.
 

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SaneAmongInsane said:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/20/us/westboro-church-founder-dead/index.html

CNN is saying that he is dead.

Yay? Do we celebrate now?

The man was never the problem, it was the idea he represented.

There are few people in this world who I could call scum and this man was one of them. He brought nothing into this world other than hate and vitriol. If he did have any kind of positive influence on humanity, it was exposing what true bigotry was with no bullshit excuses, giving people a figure to rally against.
 

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I hope someone drills a hole through his tombstone and it becomes a glory hole for the gay community.
 

Stryc9

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Well, so much for the idea that this was all a publicity stunt to get some attention because no one had talked about them for a bit.

Couldn't have happened to a nicer person, now if the rest of them could all be so heartbroken they follow suit in short order that would be great.
 

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MinionJoe said:
Stryc9 said:
Couldn't have happened to a nicer person, now if the rest of them could all be so heartbroken they follow suit in short order that would be great.
Not likely. His own church reputedly excommunicated him earlier this month.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/17/fred-phelps-excommunicated-wbc_n_4981300.html?ir=Religion
Which is funny because he wasn't trying to say that they should change their message, just that they should stop fighting amongst themselves. Maybe in the power vacuum the whole thing will collapse and fade into nothingness.
 

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I'll say what Christopher Hitchens said about Jerry Falwell.

"I think it's a pity there isn't a hell for him to go to.", and "If you gave the guy an enema, he could be buried in a matchbox.".

Good riddance.
 

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I feel the same thing I felt when Bin Laden was killed, nothing at all. It doesn't undo what he's done, the WBC is still gonna do what they do without him. All that will happen is some other scumbag will enter the public eye and the song and dance will begin again.

I can understand why people would be happy, I don't blame them either. But celebrating someones death just isn't in me.
 

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Marik2 said:
Isn't his wife more crazier than him? She would just replace him.
Are you referring to Shirley Phelps? Because that's actually his daughter, though it's to mistake them. And from what I understand, the reason he was excommunicated was because Shirley attempted a power struggle, got defeated by the board, only for Fred to stand up for her, leading to the board to ejecting him as well. If true, I don't think she's going to take charge any time soon.

http://cjonline.com/news/2014-03-17/elders-excommunicate-phelps-after-power-struggle-call-kindness-within-church
 

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Holy crap does this thread make humans look like total scum. I don't know who Fred Phelps is, and what _I_ don't care about is what he's 'done'.

Yall might as well be pointing at a man that's on fire and shrugging your shoulders. I am not saying you should burst into tears, but to pretty much take pleasure in someones death is a very cold, evil thing to do. It really means you are probably worse than the person you think you're better than.
Did you know back after WWII that after japan surrendered, America had held a petition was to what to do with Japan since it was then disabled.

13% said that they should kill all japanese women,children and men, effectively wiping their race off the face of the earth, now 13% of all of america is still a lot of people.

Then there's the people from back then and now that were grateful in the Atomic bombings, the same for anything else in wars that have been and gone and yet you think hating one man who hates gays (practically doesn't want them to even exist)and spits on those that sacrifice their lives is scummy?, man you've got something to sort out in terms of priorities if you think that.

Ignoring this guy isn't going to do anything, he's written in the books and exists all over the place unlike the average human who hasn't cured cancer or gone to the moon or done something evil.

Saying to ignore him and be the better man is like saying that about nearly anything bad that's happened from one person in the entire history of mankind, that shit does not fly if we continue to hurt the "bad people".

The man hates gays to the ends of the earth and he's made them all well known about it, picketed funerals of people that gave their lives to protect them (pro tip funerals are once in everyones life, once they are ruined they leave a horrid mark forever), ignoring his funeral gives him and the family a complete and utter free pass, a pardon for all the horrible shit he and the family have caused countless others for years on end, to say we should give him the benefit and let his funeral be means we'll have to do that for every other horrid man or person out there and if not then be prepared to be called a total hypocrite.

This man does not deserve a peaceful funeral, I don't care about the "better man" speeches, those hold no ground other than a persons "oh you now suck in my eyes" moment, the guys done wrong and something has to be done, same happened with all the other bad people in history, he is no different, the being the better man in this instance does nothing for those that had their funerals ruined and their families shunned and shamed, absolutely nothing, it even shows lack of caring for them in the first place, hell saying "be the better man or you're equal to shit" is giving someone no choice at all, you throw them right into the corner in saying that, that's not how choices work.
 

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The plot thickens... [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/17/fred-phelps-excommunicated-wbc_n_4981300.html?utm_hp_ref=religion]

The article in that link says that he was excommunicated for wanting a "kinder approach to family", namely Shirley Phelps-Roper who was involved in a power struggle within the church. What that means can be anyone's guess, but it's strange to consider he was cast out for (what sounds like) not being a dick. Considering Freddy-boy and his family have disowned children over them being decent people, it seems like everything is finally coming full circle (at least for him). Read in another article that apparently afterwards he took it extremely hard and most likely have contributed to his overall health condition.

Strange, I actually feel a slight pity for a man that promoted a life of hate from pickets to the brainwashing and abuse of his own children.

And for those planning to picket the funeral of Fred Phelps, they won't be having one because they don't "worship the dead" (I'm not going to bother to pick apart what sounds weird about a religion that claims to not worship dead people).

EDIT: Forgot to mention, but I agree with those who think the church won't change. Shirley is the queen bee and the most vocal member (she usually goes on the news networks). I don't know if this will ever change anything, but one could hope. It may be mostly the direct family in the church, but these Phelps members have "litters", with some being mothers to over 10. Wow.
What it means is that one of them had been outed for having a bastard son from a previous relationship (Shirley not), one of those things they said would get you into hell pretty quickly and the most common wbc attack after gays.
 

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Gitty101 said:
I was interested in the news and did some further reading. Turns out he's been excommunicated from the WBC. Does anybody around here know why?
According to his son Nate, the WBC considers death to be judgement from God that he is a bad egg. At least they're consistent about it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2585399/Fred-Phelps-son-Nate-speaks-just-hours-Westboro-leader-dies-reveals-truth-fathers-excommunication-hate-group-Phelps-destined-fail.html
 

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While it's good that he's gone, I don't really know how people should react.

While I feel that we should show we're better by not staging a protest during his funeral, but then again, I love the counter protests people put together.

Guess it doesn't really matter though since the WBC allegedly doesn't hold funerals or memorial services because 'they don't worship the dead'.
 

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Shadow-Phoenix said:
michael87cn said:
13% said that they should kill all japanese women,children and men, effectively wiping their race off the face of the earth, now 13% of all of america is still a lot of people.
13% of those who were surveyed. Just because you get 130 out of a thousand to say something doesn't mean you get to say "13% of all of America."
 

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JMac85 said:
Shadow-Phoenix said:
michael87cn said:
13% said that they should kill all japanese women,children and men, effectively wiping their race off the face of the earth, now 13% of all of america is still a lot of people.
13% of those who were surveyed. Just because you get 130 out of a thousand to say something doesn't mean you get to say "13% of all of America."
Doesn't mean to say America gets to be all peachy and nice either, are we going to argue the numbers now instead ogf the actual feelings that were expressed?.
 

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Well he's dead now. I think the best response to this would be to not give a fuck. Don't piquet his funeral. Don't go around posting "fuck yous" the way he went around holding "fuck you" signs. The man lived and died in hatred, don't join in the dark side. We should be better than this.