French animal rights activist group steals puppy from homeless man.

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I'll add to the heap of disgust in these comments, what cunts(not the commenters). Only worthy of said title. Me wonders if they own any pets themselves. And if they have names like "Bigot" and "Arsehole," in which case they could be taken away for their own safety.
 

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Caramel Frappe said:
http://www.rt.com/news/316485-activists-steal-dog-homeless/

My post above says most of what i'm about to say .. but the president of the Cause Animal Nord is racist while the activist group itself tried lying twice about the dog's condition which was not backed up nor ever proven.

So that 98 / 100 should go up to 200 / 100 in "levels of dickery" on their part. Because this is downright disgusting and even if they wanted to, you know ... do this for the 'right' reasons ... they wouldn't steal the dog. They'd offer to give the dog shots and return it to the owner in that case. Shots can last years so there's no reason to steal the man's dog.

But the worst offender is naming it Vegan and lying about the dog's race to our faces, and saying it was drugged. WITH WHAT?! But then they failed to provide evidence anyways SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO yeah these people are terrible in every way.
Yeah I read a bit more about it today. Saw the rumors Mars posted about the "drugged dogs" thing, and also that the Homeless man was deaf and that the dog had been a gift after the death of his previous dog.

If the dog was drugged, Cause Animal Nord should be able to provide evidence to support this.

The man's inarticulate wailing seems to support the "deaf" rumor, and that dog seemed pretty awake and alert to me, so...

Definitely looks shady af.
 

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MarsAtlas said:
I saw this one on imgur earlier today.

http://imgur.com/gallery/gaoL4Ta

tl;dr There are rumours that this could be a guy running a known scam that involves selling a puppy, purportedly done by Roma (I take anything said about them with a grain of salt because I hear bigotry towards them endlessly), and then there's rumours that he has actually lived in the area for years and years and that somebody gave him that dog. Then I've also heard rumours that I can only describe as flagrant bigotry, like that he's Roma and therefore was going to eat the dog.
Over here, the puppies are usually just a begging aid, traded in for younger models when they're too old to be cute. Very much doubt they actually sell them in France, even with a heartstrings-tugging "please, the puppy is the last thing I've got left to sell."

Far more likely it's still just a begging aid.

I love that the guy who wrote that is conflating "Romanian" with "Roma," though.
 

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MarsAtlas said:
Yes, and I could be wrong but I think that they need meat in their diet. I know for a fact that some of vegetarians and vegans don't feed their cats products that contain meat, which causes their cats to starve to death because cats need meat. I'm sure that some vegetarians/vegans do the same diets with dogs, which if they need meat, causes dogs to starve to death. They're, frankly, idiots and if you even encounter a person like this contact animal welfare services. Humans can survive without meat, but some of our pets absolutely cannot do so. To vegetarians and vegans who want a pet but are unwilling to purchase meat products for it, a rabbit is recommended, as they're the third-most populated species in animal shelters due to people not knowing how to take care of them, because while they're not low maintenance they're not high maintenance, and obviously most important, because they don't need meat.
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It's a bit complicated. Dogs are technically carnivores, but can eat pretty much anything and be happy. It's one of the things that separates dogs from wolves, likely a result of (or trait that led to) their domestication. Dogs can survive on a "vegetarian" diet (I think there's a Border collie that's over 20 and is "vegan"), though it's very rarely necessary. Clinically it's only recommended for the kinds of dogs that are "allergic to everything" or have some sort of urinary stone/crystal issue tied with meat (often found in Dalmatians). Either way, you need to be very careful to make it balanced, and not just hand your dog a fruit salad and call it dinner. Cats are more carnivorous and require more meat to their diet (likely the reason why cat food is more expensive than dog food, pound-for-pound). Taurine is an important part of their diet, and the only way they get it is through animal products. Without taurine, it mucks up with their heart (which can cause death) and retinas (causing blindness). I believe there are records of cats fed vegan diets that have resulted in health issues or death, and I've never heard of a healthy non-meat alternative for them.
In the wild cats are "obligate carnivores", but it's not entirely certain that meat is absolutely irreplaceable. After a look around, it seems there's been at least one study into this [http://www.theguardian.com/environment/blog/2010/may/24/vegetarianism-pets-national-vegetarian-week-cats-dogs], indicating that it's possible to maintain a healthy feline lifestyle without meat (but tricky, and much trickier than with dogs-- it seems that you'd need quite a bit of specialised stuff).
 

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Qizx said:
OT: Can someone PLEASE quote me or message me if there's an update on this? Cause this is actually causing me a decent degree of pure rage and I need closure.
I saw this one on imgur earlier today.

http://imgur.com/gallery/gaoL4Ta

tl;dr There are rumours that this could be a guy running a known scam that involves selling a puppy, purportedly done by Roma (I take anything said about them with a grain of salt because I hear bigotry towards them endlessly), and then there's rumours that he has actually lived in the area for years and years and that somebody gave him that dog. Then I've also heard rumours that I can only describe as flagrant bigotry, like that he's Roma and therefore was going to eat the dog.
Thanks for posting that, seems to me as if the people who steal the dog are most likely just giant cunts.

At BEST they're well meaning cunts.
 

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I don't care if he was a Gypsy, those people are complete fucking assholes. I hope someone steps on them for this.
 

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There are not words for this anger. This is advanced anger. Oh my god. I don't even have words for this one. I guess the situation was confusing, but I don't understand how no one decked these asshats in the face.
 

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DocMcCray said:
Read a few posts, then skipped to write my own thoughts.

I didn't watch the original video. I didn't have the heart. I am a dog owner. She has my heart and I hers. From the first moment we met, we were bonded for life. (Full story available upon request.)

Most dogs in general are such loyal and loving creatures. For any human to steal a dog away from a human because "they can't give it a good enough life" is to doom that dog. He/she imprints very quickly as a puppy. Tearing him/her away from their human parent is beyond cruel.

I'd go all Liam Neeson on anyone even threatening to take my precious puppy away from me. Not because I'd miss her (though that would be an issue), but because she would never be happy again being separated from me.
Same. My first dog was a shelter pickup, but I stood by him all his life, until cancer forced us to pull the plug. It was that or his continued existence made us seem like inhuman assholes. There's only so much pain a living being can and should endure.

I'm on my second dog, and this one I've known since he's been born. Romeo imprinted onto us faster than you can say "clingy". He's three years old and still actively avoids other dogs, preferring the company of humans. If anyone took him from me (or me from him, I'd wager), there'd be Hell to pay.

Calling a dog "Vegan", selling it and rejecting its initial master on racial grounds? That's... It's verging on Sicko Far-Right territory, which wouldn't be anything new for France. As great as Paris and the metropolitan areas can be, there's a core of xenophobia that just won't fucking go away. I don't imagine the recent influx of refugees will help things.
 

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If they genuinely thought the dog was drugged, then they would have to prove it. It's not exactly difficult if they know what to look for. They could take pictures, videos, a witness if possible, and submit a sample for testing. Sure the latter would cost money, but it sure as hell would've made them look like the good guys if the evidence added up (considering this could be a very serious offense). But all we see is a group of people ripping a dog from the man, puppy is screaming and struggling, and those people sticking the up dog for sale with the name "Vegan" as a statement. If they thought this wouldn't be seen as shady and hateful, then their heads are up their asses. Well intentioned vigilanteism or not, until we see more confirmed details, this group seems to be in the wrong (and it wouldn't be the first time a person stole a dog that didn't need help). If there was a genuine concern for the dog's safety, then they should've reported it to the proper authorities who would've likely handled it MUCH better (maybe creating a report so we wouldn't have so many rumors). I'm Canadian, so my knowledge on the Roma is somewhat limited, but until something more concrete turns up, that's where I stand.
 

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MarsAtlas said:
Edit: Petition to have the dog returned.

https://www.change.org/p/tribunal-de-grande-instance-de-lille-ouvrir-une-enqu%C3%AAte-sur-le-fonctionnement-de-l-association-cause-animale-nord

Where the hell is Keanu Reeves when you need him?
Thanks for the link - petition signed.

That guy needs his puppy back, along with a months years salary from each of the people responsible for this (also jail time for them) and 10 years profit from whatever organisation these people monsters claim to be a part of.
 

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Casual Shinji said:
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Racist animal rights groups?!

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This world is getting wacky.
Eh, there's no reason why members of a rights group can't be as bigoted as anyone else...excepting on whatever single issue the rights group is about, maybe.
Yeah, but groups like that are generally founded on equal treatment, equality, 'Don't do to others what you don't want done to you'. So, don't treat animals like just meat for the grinder or inanimate objects, because they're living beings just like us. For this group, who I would assume has similar ideals, to then use it to keep animals away from a specific race of people (That being their defense for doing what they did.)... That's just a whole new set of fucking twisted.
Vegan animal rights people with a psychotic hatred of humans like Gary Yourofsky would blow your socks off. He called Palestinians the most psychotic people on the planet and defended his statemenet as not racist because its okay he hates everyone as if misanthropy excuses hate speech.... There are quite a few misanthropes in animal rights groups.
 

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This is a bit hard for me to come to a determination here.

One one hand, the man probably loved the shit out of that dog, and the dog probably loved the shit out of him. That's what dogs are, they're a piece of technology. We've domesticated wolves, guided their evolution until they've become dependent on human beings both emotionally and in many cases physically.

On the other hand, dude's homeless. Dogs rely on humans. Can this man ensure that this dog is fed every night? Would we feel the same about human children?

Their justification for taking this dog, however? Bullshit.

More infuriating, their method of taking the dog. It was an act of violence. If someone has to be physically restrained, the situation is violent, no human being has the right to use violence on another. This was unwarranted.
 

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It's just a hobo. Does anyone think the hobo could take care of that dog? How do you think the hobo got into that position? Probably addicted to half a dozen drugs.
Doesn't matter. Everyone has a right to a pet (strictly legally speaking, all their property) and getting into debating whether they'd make a good owner or not is getting into dark territory. No abuse was being done, the way he reacted to the fiasco you can but he loves the little guy and was doing everything he could for the pups welfare.

There was no need for this beyond these self righteous dicks deciding for themselves that he wasn't a good owner, and for a multitude of asinine reasons.

The amazing thing is how many asinine reason those are that can have everyone of all political bents screaming for these nutters blood.
 

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They named the dog "Vegan"? Fucking idiots, that's not even a French word.

Besides, this is illegal, they're not cops, they're not even officials from some vague French administration/office.

There might be some "animal rights" motives behind this, but the biggest motive seems clearly prejudice and racism/xenophobia (couple of French acquaintances think as much, and looked a bit more inside this association to check). Besides, they seem to know quite well the "dog was drugged" point is bullshit, otherwise you don't put the dog up for adoption right ahead. And if the dog's not vaccinated, you'll have to do it and quarantine the poor animal first, not give it away as soon as you get your hands on it.

If they were really concerned about the dog, they would've called some animal rights organization or office - it's not the wild west, it's a modern European country ffs, there are rules and people in charge of checking these things.
 

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Wow...and I thought I was an asshole. It takes a real special level of assholeness to steal from a homeless guy...and you're just an out-right BAD human being if you take a homeless man's dog. Turning around and trying to sell said dog on the internet? Yeah, you're not an animal rights group, you're just bandits at that point. You stole something that wasn't yours and tried to turn a profit on it. Sounds like a bunch of common robbers to me.

Here's to hoping the law steps in and arrests the pricks and reunites the man with his dog, or that the person who buys the dog ends up finding the man and giving it back.
 

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Zontar said:
Eddie the head said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't dogs naturally eat meat? Maybe they can get the nutrients form other places, but I always thought dogs digestive tracks where more sensitive then say a human or a pig. We could probably do without meat, but I don't know if that's the same for a dog? I don't know I'll ask a vet or something.
Domesticated dogs have evolved teeth which can chew fruit and vegetables due to cohabitation with humans, though meat is still the bulk of their diet.

Dogs are like humans in that they will eat anything. Even the stuff humans and other animals crap out for some reason.
They generally will eat vegetables if they're in the meat but they wont seek it out.